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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:38 am 
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Would love to get a bit of insight into what the incumbents have done so far.

The club is heavily reliant on pokies thanks to Mathieson (won't have a problem with that if the pokie reforms get passed) and of course the Pratts financially rescued us from eternal mediocrity and from what I've read Swann basically got the new training/admin done.
So what have the others done ?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:20 am 
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Wildcard challenge at Carlton

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CARLTON will hold an election next month for its board after a late nomination from rising businessman Ryan Trainor.

The 38-year-old BRW Young Rich List member will contest the poll against five sitting directors up for re-election.

The five board members are club vice-president and billionaire benefactor Jeanne Pratt, Adrian Gleeson, Zac Fried, Ari Suss and Mark Harrison.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:38 am 
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This is a genuine question, not being mean or anything.

But what does Adrian Gleeson bring to our club as a board member ?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:13 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
This is a genuine question, not being mean or anything.

But what does Adrian Gleeson bring to our club as a board member ?


I would think out of the 5, Bear is one of two who would probably be in trouble...as for what he brings - you could ask the same thing of a number of board members, and in that regard - our board probably needs a little bit more transparency...not too much...but just a little bit which is easily done through the Comms department. I know football has changed immensely, but reading through the old annual reports (of which I collect), you get a great understanding of what each board member did and how it impacted the club. I would suggest very few members have an idea of what each board member does/is doing in an effort to assist the club going forward.

So let's get Ryan on here to talk about what he can bring to the board. He's said it's 'all about fresh ideas, not dissatisfaction with the existing board', so will be interesting what ideas he thinks can be implemented. Two years ago, the likes of Camelboy asked some great questions of Michael Spartels, some of which are still pertinent questions today.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=26947

Taking a look at who is up for re-election...

Jeanne Pratt - a no-brainer. She stays even though I view her role as a quasi-patron of the club. Obviously brings in money along with son-in-law Germinder, but as it stands, the Pratts own this football club by default... and that scenario can't last forever.

Adrian Gleeson - One of only 2 former players on the board. Doesn't bring in a great deal of money, but can afford to be a significant investor in a $5million film. If re-elected, will be 6 years as a board member, and I'd seriously question what he's done in that time.

Zac Fried - Is on the finance sub-committee. Proven capability he can bring money into the club.

Ari Suss - Has an impressive Government & Corporate Affairs background. Believed to be a good performer at board level.

Mark Harrison - A trustee of the Carlton Community Fund which looks promising as the years go by and ties into a lot of good work the club does. Is a director of Premier Finance Services, which I personally don't think has worked. Doesn't bring in a significant amount of money.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:27 am 
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Thanks Dr

This is the type of info we need come election time.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:42 pm 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
This is a genuine question, not being mean or anything.

But what does Adrian Gleeson bring to our club as a board member ?


I would think out of the 5, Bear is one of two who would probably be in trouble...as for what he brings - you could ask the same thing of a number of board members, and in that regard - our board probably needs a little bit more transparency...not too much...but just a little bit which is easily done through the Comms department. I know football has changed immensely, but reading through the old annual reports (of which I collect), you get a great understanding of what each board member did and how it impacted the club. I would suggest very few members have an idea of what each board member does/is doing in an effort to assist the club going forward.

So let's get Ryan on here to talk about what he can bring to the board. He's said it's 'all about fresh ideas, not dissatisfaction with the existing board', so will be interesting what ideas he thinks can be implemented. Two years ago, the likes of Camelboy asked some great questions of Michael Spartels, some of which are still pertinent questions today.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=26947

Taking a look at who is up for re-election...

Jeanne Pratt - a no-brainer. She stays even though I view her role as a quasi-patron of the club. Obviously brings in money along with son-in-law Germinder, but as it stands, the Pratts own this football club by default... and that scenario can't last forever.

Adrian Gleeson - One of only 2 former players on the board. Doesn't bring in a great deal of money, but can afford to be a significant investor in a $5million film. If re-elected, will be 6 years as a board member, and I'd seriously question what he's done in that time.

Zac Fried - Is on the finance sub-committee. Proven capability he can bring money into the club.

Ari Suss - Has an impressive Government & Corporate Affairs background. Believed to be a good performer at board level.

Mark Harrison - A trustee of the Carlton Community Fund which looks promising as the years go by and ties into a lot of good work the club does. Is a director of Premier Finance Services, which I personally don't think has worked. Doesn't bring in a significant amount of money.



We are travelling fairly well - M'ship up...Football Dept up....

Do we need change? Is it change for change sake?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:42 am 
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I think there are still some concerns so like the idea of fresh ideas coming into the club. There's a perception the board are a little comfortable working with each other, enjoy the status that comes with being on the board and there are a couple of passengers.

It is difficult though for us to know who's really contributing so think long and hard and do some independant research before the elections if you're intending to vote someone out. It would be nice if the club were to release some information on what each board member contributes, but I wouldn't expect that.

One of our major concerns still relates to the membership and communications departments. They almost reached rock bottom earlier this season with a lot of dissatisfaction from members. We've come along way in terms of using social media and providing some insight into the club, but the real test will come over the next 4 months. I would imagine this is the main area Jeanne Pratt is focused on so hopefully we'll see some real improvement. It will be needed after the announcement relating to membership package changes.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:53 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
This is a genuine question, not being mean or anything.

But what does Adrian Gleeson bring to our club as a board member ?


Err, good mates with Sticks, Moulton, maybe? Nice enough chap, but hardly fills you with awe. Hardly a captain of industry, either. Puzzling appointment then, as it is now.

Trainor, for one, should take his spot.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:24 pm 
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withdrawn his nomination

will be no election

instead a succession plan has been developed which includes Ryan

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:19 pm 
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withdrawn his nomination

will be no election

instead a succession plan has been developed which includes Ryan

Just read that on the club website. When did members stop having a say on who becomes a board member? I thought they were elected not part of a succession plan. What if other people want to get on board next year, wont there have to be an election and this person may not win?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:25 pm 
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:26 am 
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Good outcome.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:03 pm 
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so sad to see apathetic members not giving a stuff about their voting privileges being taken away..

...and so soon after the Elliott era

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:31 pm 
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Sounds too dictorial to me.......


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:50 pm 
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That sounds wrong to me...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:04 pm 
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IMO you have to run this club as a business, and the executive inviting board members to join is standard practice really.

The alternative? Genuinely open elections, where the ex-player will almost inevitably have an advantage purely because he's an ex-player. The average member can't possibly be expected to know which candidate is the best fit: and I would certainly put myself in that category.

What makes any of us qualified to decide who sits on the board of the club, or any Other business? I'm sure one or two of us have a solid grasp on corporate governance and are interested enough in corporate Australia to know who's out there and what they'd bring to the board. As for the vast majority of us? We wouldn't have much of a clue really.

I reckon if you had an election and Ryan Trainor and Harry Madden both ran for one position, Harry would win. Why? Because he was a star player, and a Parliamentarian. People have heard of him, and no-one's heard of Trainor.

Democracy is good for society, but it's no way to run a business.

I think footy club members voting for board positions is archaic and a recipe for mediocrity. And for those who suggest that Elliot's latter years represent some sort of lesson as to the dangers of an 'undemocratic' process... Don't forget: up until it was absolutely undeniable that he'd lost the plot (and far too late to save the club) most of the members loved him.

Populism is no way to choose a board of directors.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:36 pm 
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IMO you have to run this club as a business, and the executive inviting board members to join is standard practice really.

The alternative? Genuinely open elections, where the ex-player will almost inevitably have an advantage purely because he's an ex-player. The average member can't possibly be expected to know which candidate is the best fit: and I would certainly put myself in that category.

What makes any of us qualified to decide who sits on the board of the club, or any Other business? I'm sure one or two of us have a solid grasp on corporate governance and are interested enough in corporate Australia to know who's out there and what they'd bring to the board. As for the vast majority of us? We wouldn't have much of a clue really.

I reckon if you had an election and Ryan Trainor and Harry Madden both ran for one position, Harry would win. Why? Because he was a star player, and a Parliamentarian. People have heard of him, and no-one's heard of Trainor.

Democracy is good for society, but it's no way to run a business.

I think footy club members voting for board positions is archaic and a recipe for mediocrity. And for those who suggest that Elliot's latter years represent some sort of lesson as to the dangers of an 'undemocratic' process... Don't forget: up until it was absolutely undeniable that he'd lost the plot (and far too late to save the club) most of the members loved him.

Populism is no way to choose a board of directors.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:36 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
IMO you have to run this club as a business, and the executive inviting board members to join is standard practice really.

The alternative? Genuinely open elections, where the ex-player will almost inevitably have an advantage purely because he's an ex-player. The average member can't possibly be expected to know which candidate is the best fit: and I would certainly put myself in that category.

What makes any of us qualified to decide who sits on the board of the club, or any Other business? I'm sure one or two of us have a solid grasp on corporate governance and are interested enough in corporate Australia to know who's out there and what they'd bring to the board. As for the vast majority of us? We wouldn't have much of a clue really.

I reckon if you had an election and Ryan Trainor and Harry Madden both ran for one position, Harry would win. Why? Because he was a star player, and a Parliamentarian. People have heard of him, and no-one's heard of Trainor.

Democracy is good for society, but it's no way to run a business.

I think footy club members voting for board positions is archaic and a recipe for mediocrity. And for those who suggest that Elliot's latter years represent some sort of lesson as to the dangers of an 'undemocratic' process... Don't forget: up until it was absolutely undeniable that he'd lost the plot (and far too late to save the club) most of the members loved him.

Populism is no way to choose a board of directors.


Company directors beholden to their shareholders is standard practice also..

...'wouldn't have much of a clue'?? ..you're right! ..they couldn't be any less transparent with THEIR members... give me a break :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:22 pm 
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"Ryan invited to join the board following the retirement of three board members at the end of the 2012 season"

So who are the 3 retiring board members at the end of 2012?


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