Oy!

That's my barrow you're pushing!

It's the Whitnall scenario all over again. Better to get something decent while we can than end up stuck with a player who can't make it onto the park.

We totally lucked out with Fev in getting Henderson and Lucas and Fev was a pariah.

I'd happily swap Waite for another Henderson alone. An additional 200 game key position player? Yes please.

And for those who don't think Waite would command that sort of a return then what makes him so worth keeping?

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This could work provided he gets himself up on his fitness. His left peg is a weapon ... suitable for long distance shooting and placing short balls inside 50 (a real weakness for us).

He isn't the answer though for our most glaring weakness up forward and that is someone that can stand under the ball and mark close to goals. in finals football you are always going to have the long bomb and this is where we fall short. The Eagles on the other hand have this type of forward in abundance. They have players with size BUT also a presence.

How many Carlton players have a presence. Go back to our last premiership team and you will see whay I mean by having players with a presence.

dadadadada - I'm going to stalk you and keep agreeing with you, if you keep saying that.

Lets look at the options.

How many spots are available now?

Laidler Jamison Yarran

Duigan Henderson Scotland

Simpson Gibbs XXXX

Robinson Waite Garlett

Walker xxxx Betts

Warnock, Judd, Murphy

Kruezer, Carazzo, X, X

So there you have it, there aren't too many postions available.

We need an up and coming full forward capable of pressing, therefore sorry Fev, alternative is a CHF and Waite moves to FF.

Lucas could develop into being a wingman he has an elite kick, needs to get harder and fitter. While we wait for him, Armfield has the spot.

Russell needs to force Scotland from the team and get his spot back. Scotland had a great season, but is over 30.

Bench needs another big bodied midfielder. Kruezer is capable of Rucking and pushing forward, but isnt a KPP, so get over it.

So who is off

Houlihan
Austin
Kerr
Levi - just doesnt work hard enough, so he has wasted 3 years of our time.

Maybe look to trade, Setanta, Thornton and McLean while we can, GC or GWS need ready made players.

Need to get rid of the ball butcherer in that lot as well.

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Bloody hell is there any chance of us giving Watson a least one full preseason before we run the line through him? Unbelievable.

Quentin Lynch has about as much presence as Leigh Brown, Koschitzke and Hawkins. Just a big dumb footballer who can mark and kick it a mile. These four have less presence than Paul Chapman. Hurley and Brown have IT. Kreuzer has presence.

Why wouldn't we throw Henderson forward?

Henderson's courage, clean marking and reading of the play has been impressive. The brave mark Henderson took against St Kilda could easily have been Lachie streaming forward and marking going back with the flight. Great mark where he didn't take his eyes off the ball to beat Riewoldt at his own game.

I don't see why Watson won't improve his intensity once he gets fitter and stronger. And starts to believe he's an AFL player. Mackenzie and Schofield weren't great against Henderson last year, yet have improved out of sight this year. The former towelled up Cloke last week.

Don't forget Bower.
A lot of people seem to lost the love for this guy, but I reckon if he gets his body right he's in Jamo's league.
That happens I'm sure Hendo wouldn't mind going back to forward line and the pieces all fall into place.

I'd add decision making - I've seen him do this well under pressure.
I wouldn't worry about the physical stuff - a couple of pre-seasons will sort that out.

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Get serious -here -an asssassination of a young kid who has played 3 games -2 against the best side in the competition - did you ever see Michael Sexton in the first few years of his career - was very ordinary -became a AA CHB -give the kid a go Watson needs time and support not denigration

Right wing left wing -no affiliation putting the boots into a young guy is a disgrace and is why some of us take a sabbatical from this site in the pre-season -

A recruiter from another Melbourne based club made it clear that there wasn't much love from other clubs for Watson pre-draft because Watson had no idea/interest in defending and lacked the necessary mobility. The recruiter also founded it amusing that it was very obvious that Carlton were going to recruit Watson with their first rounder anyway (primarily because he was big and could kick)!!

Let's hope he develops otherwise that will be two consecutive first rounders we would have wasted!!

Reads the incoming ball well; reasonably quick in a straight line. Has shown a propensity to develop his 1-on-1 work and fitness.

He's not some uncoachable lump; he's a developing player.

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You don't just 'move on' good players who are also sons of Carlton players.

Waite deserves to play out his days at Carlton. He has had a bit of bad luck with injuries and sometimes thinks he is his father and gets suspended but that didn't happen this year. He is one of the few players on the list who can dominate a game with his pace and marking.

If we were to 'move him on', we would not be furthering the cause of the club to get #17 in any way. The likelihood of getting a better player than he is for the assault on 2012-3 is minimal.

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waite is a footballer like everyone else.
if we got what we need for him you have to look at it like we did kennedy who is twice the player and much younger.
waite has given us very little and is now coming to an end of his career.
why would we not put ourselves in a better position by trading him?

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everyone is a developing player Hartlett was as was Benjamin livingstone and plemming too and everyone else who has appeared on our list.
its about making it.

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Will the club be bold enough to shop Waite around?

Much to the dismay of many here, the old Carlton regrettfully lacked the balls to cash in on Lance when we had the chance.

It may take some lateral thinking for the Blues to instantly improve on the areas we need to next year - and dangling Vin's boy out there could provide that. The interesting word Ratts used post-match was "consistency" in relation to our talls etc.

Consistency is not a word to be associated with Waite.

As much as I have enjoyed watching Hendo bloom down back it will be very interesting when/if he gets a run up foward. You would like to think he has learned a hell of a lot playing on the game's best forwards this year - and he will take his new-found confidence with him.

Get Bower right and there's another tall defender. But are his injury battles the "consistency" Ratts lamented? Still, I'd love to see him fit AND THE MC BACK HIM IN. He's still young and would be a virtual recruit next year.

Ditto Austin. Show some confidence in the kid, instead of throwing him in the deep end when there is no-one else and then casting him off back to the Bullants.

And just play Tuohy ... don't care where - just play the kid. Lucas too.

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Please lay off Watson. Did all he was expected to do year 1. What are judging him on 2 games against collingwood? Maybe if he has half of the opportunities Davies or Simon White have had, you would be thinking differently. Be realistic he will take 2 to 3 more years to click.

Kenny, the thought of shopping Waite around is an awkward one for obvious reasons. But family-ties and loyalty aside, I can't see anything of value being offered for him.

And just a general observation, once again I find myself reading the terms "get his body right", "get more games into him" and "a big preseason" a lot. This seems to be a yearly tradition for us, particularly with our talls. We always seem to assume that the following year will magically make all the angst and inconsistency go away that have dogged us for years, and we'll suddenly have an army of 190cm+ bulletproof supermen to call upon for long periods of the year. This never happens, and we can't expect it to happen again in 2012. We'll have injuries, we'll have inconsistency, we'll have times where our team will be unbalanced. It's how the MC deal with these problems when they occur that will determine how much further we can go in 2012.

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Agreed that Waite has promised sooo much over the years and has given glimpses of what he is capable of, but is going on 28-29 now and is yet to reach that potential. Will he ever put together a full consistant season ? Will he ever stay injury free ?

Think its time we plan for life after Waite and Setanta.

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