Answer this if Gold coast had entered the comp in 2009 how many wins would we have had and would our percentage been better

The club set the bench mark not me not anyone else they came at and said we need to win a final
As i said before I have been a fan of Ratts but the facts are simple if we go out this week we have gone no where in 2 years this years result will be on a par with 2009 last year we went backwards

If that is acheiving KPI then tbey must be set low

I have no idea who would replace Ratts but Im sure there would be plenty out there willing to have a crack

I cant see the board the club and the supporters accepting another elimination final loss

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Going on this year one more win against the GC would see us with 2 pts more still with a 20% improvement in percentage. Plus only played once against the low sides on the ladder. We had an easy draw in 2009.

The winning a final criteria was well and truly changed ages ago as it was ridiculous. Just that it hasn't drummed into the heads of the silly supporters or media. Don't worry about figures or technicalities if people can't see we have improved greatly across the board and heading in the right direction then there's a problem with them. If you think under any circumstances we are not better than 2009 in the way we're playing then you just haven't been to the football. You couldn't be serious. As Mike Williamson used to say, Jack Hill the blind miner can see that.

If Ratten gets the sack based on emotion then the Board just as stupid as forum board posters from all clubs all over the country. Means we'd have either choked or lost half our side during the game. Neither a coach's fault. We have demonstrated well and truly that we are heading in the right direction that one game can't change. That gets you a job.

If people cant see that the competition at the bottom end of the ladder this year is weaker and the introduction of the gold coast handed easy wins then they need to step back and have a closer look
Bottom 3
2011. 10 wins
2010. 17 wins
2009 15 wins

The 141/2 wins this year is no better than the 13 in 2009

The fact we were not flogged is better we copped a few hidings in 2009

The club back pedalled at a rate of knots after both Swan and Sticks both said we need to win a final because they realised that it was a stupid thing to say in public

We lose this week and all hell will break loose the jungle drums will be beating and the very fact e very media commentator in the country is talking about it already only puts heat on it

Lose this week he is in trouble

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OK lets look at it another way

AVG wining margin
2009 = 38.1
2011 = 47.8

AVG losing margin
2009 = 28.7
2011 = 20.6

Which shows that our losing margin has dropped by 30% and we have only lost 1 game by more than 5 goals (36) compared to 4 games in 2009 and the best was 44 and worst 72.

What this means is that we were in a winning position in nearly all of our games this year, compared to half of our loses in 2009 we were never in a position to win.

I know that I will never convince you, but Ratts has done as good of a job as anyone that we could have recruited then and even more-so now. Malthouse and Eade are the only coaches that could be available who have a better record than Ratts and out of that list I would still take Ratts.

Who would you take?

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What's surprising is we finished 5th but effectively 3 games behind last years wooden spooner....

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love the stats.

No doubt. That is an amazing effort.

I remember last year thinking Worsfold has lost his mind when he was talking about how good their team was going to be.
Not sure he believed it himself but he must have known premiership players like Cox Kerr Glass Embley and Nikoski all had more to give and that the tactics he was using in 2010 were teaching his players imprtant lessons for when the real tactics arrive.

All that and a draw that turned out more favourable than it looked before the season started in terms of the games they ended up playing against top 8.

Teague's golden run continued. Soon he might even start be taken serious.

Seem's to be well rspected at the WCE.

Was there concerns over him before?

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Not really but he didnt really get taken seriously on this board. Got dropped in the "jobs for the boys" category along with collingwoods forward coach.

Just having a bit of fun mentioning him really.

Fair call.
That's probably an understatement actually.

Pretty convinced Ratts will be given a new contract. Reckon it will be for two years.

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L.M 35-06

Liam Pickering, his manager seems to think a contract is not too far away.

As previously mentioned, we only played, Port, Brisbane, GC and the Crows once this year, so not sure those stats help your argument

Yep same. Smart move too although they should have had it done pre finals.

If we fail to keep improving next year a one year pay out wouldn't be too much of a problem.

I am backing Ratts to keep moving us up the ladder.

Stats or no stats, for me it is evident that Carlton has improved as a team as well as individually. Whether people think the growth rate is fast enough is another matter.

Ratten came into Carlton as a newbie coach with not muchh experience. But kudos to him for developing himself and the team steadily.

My biggest fear is that despite our list and our talents, we simply just can't quite get there.

Similar to the Bulldogs. Should win a Grand Final. Can win a Grand Final.............. but for one reason or another, just can't quite get there.

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That’s what Collingwood supporters were saying in 2009.

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2009? Pfft, they've been saying it since 2002.
Now, they don't want to loose him.

I reckon Ratts deserves another year anyway. The players seem to gel with him well, which is 50% of coaching in my opinion anyway.

He's got the home final that the board wanted, and he did well considering our injuries to Waite, Hampson, and more recently Kreuzer. Plus, I think he should be commended for sending Yazz to the back line. Was such a popular move that Malthouse decided to copy it with Leon Davis.

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