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chubbyruss

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:47 pm

Wayne Johnston

Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am
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Brock McLean found "Not guilty" by VFL tribunal.

I guess he is available for selection if fit :idea:

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SnickerS

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:11 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:35 pm
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73 point loss

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rabten

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:24 pm

Adrian Gallagher

Joined: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:13 am
Posts: 64

Thankfully its round 17. Not a final.

We could still cause an upset (everything crossed).

Hopefully come finals time we will be healthier and our coaching team will be wiser by having had these tough calls put on them through the H&A season. Who knows, maybe this pressure on our team provides opportunity for us to develop into a better side come finals (possibly with a trick or two up our sleeve).

Go blue boys.

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grrofunger

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:35 pm

Bruce Doull

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its a bit of a meaningless game in the grand scheme of things, id be resting players

i know flirting with form is deadly but we are hurting right now, we have a lot of injured and sore players

top 4 is not the be all and end all

win 1 more game this season and we are pretty much guaranteed finals

win 2 more and we are pretty much guaranteed a final in melbourne

gear up for the finals with a fully fit list and unleash the assault then

lets not waste all our resources on getting in to the top 4 and limping out in straight sets with a bunch of injured,tired players

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Bluey44

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:38 pm

Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:06 pm
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Stamos wrote:

keogh wrote:

Bower to Cloke
Has a good record on power forwards. Nobody can out body Cloke but Bower is more likely to run off his opponent than Hendo or Thornton
Bring in Austin 5th year with Dawes out provides size down back. keep him in the ones for a few weeks unless he is shit. otherwise might as well put the que in the rack now
Play Thornton upforward . He aint the future but at least he provides some size in the forward line
Hendo in attack he is the only guy that can take a contested mark in the forward 50

the game will be won in the middle as all games are but geez we were so undersized when Waite went off. The issue must be addressed by the MC.
Hope Warnock's second efforts are better against Jolly otherwise we are !@#$%&

I can't believe I agree with Keogh :eek:

I'm also in agreement with Keogh.

Unless you have a permanent tall focal point, it takes opportunities away from Eddie and Jeff, and it allows the opposition defense to sit on Walker & nullify him.

As short as we are on defense, with no Waite and no Setanta I think Hendo has to start forward.
If Cloke starts beating his oppoonent, then consider sending Hendo back.

But we need a proper CHF and I think Ratts needs to have faith in Hendo - Kruze/Warnock as a secondary target.

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Navy Blue Horse

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:44 pm

Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm
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Ideal scenario:

Honourable loss this week
Limp into 4th
Smash them week 1 of finals

:twisted:

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jimmae

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:46 pm

Bruce Doull

Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:32 pm
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Location: Back in reality

club29 wrote:

jimmae wrote:

club29 wrote:

but why bring in Austin if Dawes is out. We should use that as an opportunity to play another running player.

Collingwood are persisting with 5 talls, a ruck and Leigh Brown, plus they have plenty of tall mids/flankers. There's marking power galore in the side and enough to skill to make use of it all.

We need to be able to compete in 1-on-1s as well as on the ground.

If we try to match them player for player and spend our time worrying about them we will lose by 15goals IMO. We need to get back to doing what we do well. We need to get them wondering why they have so many talls in their team. We need to apply pressure all day and use our small forwards to separate their defense and then hit them on the way back. Personally i am prepared to wear a loss if they out mark us inside their 50 providing we get back to applying the sort of pressure around the ball that we know we can for as long as we can. Providing we inject run back into our game.

At the most they will play 3 talls in their foward line. Henda(or tbird) / bower and Laidler should match up ok. Cloke Brown and Keefe are scary only because of cloke.

This is just my opinion. Ratts wants the players to be bold then the coaches should bold up too.

It worked last time, it's just that we had Watson as the second KPD. This time around we have more stock available.

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mikeychook

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:36 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:49 pm
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I'm not sure anyone here has the solution.
Pies are just a pretty good side at the moment.
Be great to win but I really can't see it happening.
Don't hold it against me.

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missnaut

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:46 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 9:02 pm
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Location: Melbourne

grrofunger wrote:

I agree for the most part.

Reckon if it was anyone but Collingwood they'd be sending in the "B" team without a doubt. It will be interesting to see the selections tomorrow.

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Kouta

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:57 pm

Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:13 pm
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Location: Missing Kouta

grrofunger wrote:

Send Hampson, Waite and Jamison to Arizona for altitude training. :wink:

This has allegedly got Dane Swan's season back on track.

It must be hard to walk into a top side and perform against the Roos and Sydney. :sly:

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club29

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:00 pm

John Nicholls

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:52 am
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Location: Nth Fitzroy

grrofunger wrote:

I have been spruiking this for a couple of weeks. With our late bye we can be well placed come finals time. We just need to get our players back. Get our game in order and then spend the last 3 weeks of the season doing a mini pre season. Heavy training loads then taper for finals.

If we fight too hard for top4 we will end up stuffed by finals time.

People will say you cant go anywhere in finals if you dont finish top 4 but top 6 with a late bye has never been measured.

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TheGame

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:43 pm

Geoff Southby

Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:54 pm
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Location: Melbourne

grrofunger wrote:

Agreed. I wouldn't be playing anyone who isn't fit.

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CK95

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:02 pm

Bruce Doull

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I'd like to see us try a few different things. Robbo as a fwd on Maxwell. Yarran to a wing or forward maybe, Scotland in the centre etc.

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chubbyruss

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:23 pm

Wayne Johnston

Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am
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We're better now: Gibbs
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/ ... fault.aspx

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SurreyBlue

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:39 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
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Here's a thought, why not beat Collingwood and then start rotating/resting our players while we play the Melbourne's, North Melbourne's, etc .... f**cking beat Collingwood. :mad:

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TheSwan

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:45 pm

Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2007 2:37 pm
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CK95 wrote:

I'd like to see us try a few different things. Robbo as a fwd on Maxwell. Yarran to a wing or forward maybe, Scotland in the centre etc.

Robbo is too critical for us in the midfield. Probably our 3rd best midfielder.

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grrofunger

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:48 pm

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:04 pm
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SurreyBlue wrote:

Here's a thought, why not beat Collingwood and then start rotating/resting our players while we play the Melbourne's, North Melbourne's, etc .... f**cking beat Collingwood. :mad:

i dunno , how about because we are not good enough? especially with all the injured and sore players we seem to have?

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SurreyBlue

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:55 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10997

grrofunger wrote:

i dunno , how about because we are not good enough? especially with all the injured and sore players we seem to have?

Excuses and cop outs. If our players listened to some of our supporters then we are truly gone for 2011 not just this game.

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grrofunger

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:57 pm

Bruce Doull

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:04 pm
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Location: Prison Island

reality

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SurreyBlue

Post subject: Re: R17: Carlton vs Collingwood (Pre-Match)

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:05 pm

Ken Hunter

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am
Posts: 10997

Bookmark this Gro, if we lose on Saturday and even lose big, then we will not make any inroads come September. You cannot limp into finals and expect to turn it on when it suits you!
I'll live in lala land then thanks.

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