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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:18 pm 
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CONS
A couple of hangs went begging for Waite and Walker
I`m predicting Walks will win the car during the finals.



I'd like it to be over Leigh Brown on Grand Final day, providing Tim Lane with the opportunity to come up with some immortal line ala "Jesaulenko you beeeaauuutty"

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:26 pm 
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That kind of post isn't doing your credibility any good. Watch the replay and look at the grunt work the big man does to clear a path for the ball carrier, create a deft knock on and/or harrass the opposition into turning it over. Did you also not see the stats of 24 hitouts and 5 tackles. Go back to something you are good at i.e. bagging Austin. :roll:

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Warnock had a much greater impact on the game than Kreuzer did. The one per centers were good and maybe i was a bit harsh in his calling his game ordinary. Maybe serviceable is more accurate.



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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:37 pm 
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why would kruezer's game be a con?....what, we are in week 4 of his comeback?...positive was that he got another game under his belt.

any suggestion of his game being a negative is demonstration of short sighted thinking.


Take you Carlton glasses off and actually have a look at what he produced yesterday. I do realise he is only 4 games back from a knee reco and he will probably not recapture his best form until next year. In saying that in a team that won by 100 points he was in Carlton's worst 3 or 4 players for the day.


When a team wins by 103 points its hard to point out 22 stars.
What Kreuzer did can only be comprehended with the comparioson of his opponent.....

His opponent did NOTHING. Surely that counts for SOMETHING.

I think what LB is saying is (and axcuse me if I'm wrong LB) that we should be grateful that he's back, getting plenty of games under his belt before the finals. IMO he's carried us over the line against the Swans, and had a dip. I will also have a punt and suggest that any team would want him in their side come finals and they would be getting as many games into him now. I don't suggest here that Hottie is suggesting its not a good thing, but then again he isn't looking at the positives Kreuzers game brings to the table.

I'll ask: Hotcox, can you see the postives from Kreuzer's game yesterday? Do you see the games he gets uinder his belt in round 12, 13, 14 etc etc being a benefit to our finals campaign or is the MC wasting their time playing Kreuzer in the 2nd half of the 2011 season?

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:02 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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I'll ask: Hotcox, can you see the postives from Kreuzer's game yesterday? Do you see the games he gets uinder his belt in round 12, 13, 14 etc etc being a benefit to our finals campaign or is the MC wasting their time playing Kreuzer in the 2nd half of the 2011 season?


Kreuzer at his best would be a wonderful addition to the side come finals time.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:05 pm 
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Hotcox wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
That kind of post isn't doing your credibility any good. Watch the replay and look at the grunt work the big man does to clear a path for the ball carrier, create a deft knock on and/or harrass the opposition into turning it over. Did you also not see the stats of 24 hitouts and 5 tackles. Go back to something you are good at i.e. bagging Austin. :roll:

Regards Cazzesman


Warnock had a much greater impact on the game than Kreuzer did. The one per centers were good and maybe i was a bit harsh in his calling his game ordinary. Maybe serviceable is more accurate.



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Allow the man the opportunity to clarify his comments. It's clear enough that he's thinking of Kreuzer's long term welfare rather than having a go.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:53 pm 
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Hotcox wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Hotcox wrote:
I'll ask: Hotcox, can you see the postives from Kreuzer's game yesterday? Do you see the games he gets uinder his belt in round 12, 13, 14 etc etc being a benefit to our finals campaign or is the MC wasting their time playing Kreuzer in the 2nd half of the 2011 season?


Kreuzer at his best would be a wonderful addition to the side come finals time.


Cheers hottie, but the question is whether there's benefit in getting games into Kreuzer regardless of how you view his game yesterday..
it's not a trick question...I'm genuinely interested in your position on this.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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Could not find a Jeff Garlett badge


Had the same problem at Etihad last week. They keep them under the counter so you have to ask :smoking:

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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jimmae wrote:
Allow the man the opportunity to clarify his comments. It's clear enough that he's thinking of Kreuzer's long term welfare rather than having a go.


Give it a rest Jim. Hotcox was talking rubbish and people have pulled him up on it. Nothing new in that at all and he doesn't need you to spin him out of it.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:10 pm 
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Didn't realise PR was my thing. I should probably change jobs. :P

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 10:40 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Allow the man the opportunity to clarify his comments. It's clear enough that he's thinking of Kreuzer's long term welfare rather than having a go.


Give it a rest Jim. Hotcox was talking rubbish and people have pulled him up on it. Nothing new in that at all and he doesn't need you to spin him out of it.

Regards Cazzesman


Indeed, it was as if you had said it and not Hotcox! :sly:

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 8:33 am 
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Pro: Eddie's disappointment when they kicked a goal, which reduced the margin to a mere 115. Shows that the guys wanted to send a strong message that they don't like taking the foot off the pedal.


Con:

I don't know any Richmond supporters (unfortunately I know several Collingwood and Essendon* supporters up here), so I can't spend a few days gloating and acting like an arse. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:01 am 
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Pro - Boofhead Bartlett tipping Richmond by plenty. What a dick.
Con - The media focusing on how shite Richmond were and that's why Carlton won. Wankers.


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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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When there's a brigade of (at a minimum) 4 or 5 posters following up every single comment (and when the names start becoming the same), it's getting a bit much. Look back, I've said this in the past also. Feel free to disagree guys, that's fine, but if you want to work yourself up to lynch people, be prepared for the most likely fruit of your labour: a holiday.

Measured antagonism is all I ask for; if you have a problem with a poster that potentially flirts with the site rules, hit the report button and we will sort it out. Do it your own way, and you won't have much time to admire your work.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:24 am 
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PROS
Good sides really pummel bad sides and we did
Warnock's tap work
Hendo down back. Doesn't have an outstanding weapon but his all round solidity may make him our next CHB
Tuohy continues to be solid and shut down his opponent, the next step will be to get more of the ball. Needs to be perservered with as he develops
I've been a critic but Ratts has learnt a lot and then implemented his learnings. He doesn't just spout stats anymore, has identified his strengths and weaknesses and acted accordingly doing what he does well and using a collective approach on match day which shows strength of character and the ability to engage a broader outloook. Seems a lot more relaxed off field too.

CONS
This is a strange con, but pity to break the 1972 highest score record. So iconic to have your highest score against an oppo in a GF. Should have declared one point short. This is one game I would have been happy to score a few less goals. Should have sent the message out to play keepings off for the last 15 minutes of the quarter!
On a more serious note, Simmo's right foot. Love his intensity and effort, he is a terrific player so it is even more disappointing that after nearly 9 years on a a senior list his non preferred kicking is still woeful. Don't want to hear about how left footers don't need a right side. In the last quarter of a tight GF maybe a good kick could be the difference between winning and losing. Pity someone at the club hasn't challenged him to use any of the past 8 off seasons to learn how to kick effectively on the right. Currently his non preffered kick is worse than Setanta's and considerably worse than Tuohy's, neither of whom had kicked with either foot when Simmo first came onto our list. Small things that we control can win and lose games. Look at how much Walks has improved his kicking


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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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Gerry re Tuohy I think he has been told to play within certain limitations at the moment until he has settled into the team and the tempo. We have Yazz, Laidler, Duigan and JR or Gibbo running out of defense to create some flow and I suspect Zach has been told to stay at home abit just in case there is a turnover. His leg speed can get him across the ground well enough to hopefully pick up any opponents flying back forward-bound for the kick over the press.

I think Ratts wants Zach to lock down and starve his opponent rather be the dasher he has been in the VFL. The dash will come. At the moment he is still a rock solid performer who allows others to do their thing knowing has their back.

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
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moshe25 wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Pro: Eddie's disappointment when they kicked a goal, which reduced the margin to a mere 115. Shows that the guys wanted to send a strong message that they don't like taking the foot off the pedal.


Con:

I don't know any Richmond supporters (unfortunately I know several Collingwood and Essendon* supporters up here), so I can't spend a few days gloating and acting like an arse. :lol:

You'll find a way.


No, I meant acting like an arse to a Richmond supporter, not acting like a general arse, which is my usual state of being.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:27 am 
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Surely you want Touhey kicking the ball at every opportunity. I noticed he was trying to handpass all the time


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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Pro: Eddie's disappointment when they kicked a goal, which reduced the margin to a mere 115. Shows that the guys wanted to send a strong message that they don't like taking the foot off the pedal.


Con:

I don't know any Richmond supporters (unfortunately I know several Collingwood and Essendon* supporters up here), so I can't spend a few days gloating and acting like an arse. :lol:

You'll find a way.


No, I meant acting like an arse to a Richmond supporter, not acting like a general arse, which is my usual state of being.

:lol: :lol: Just playing......

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 Post subject: Re: R15 Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:14 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Gerry re Tuohy I think he has been told to play within certain limitations at the moment until he has settled into the team and the tempo. We have Yazz, Laidler, Duigan and JR or Gibbo running out of defense to create some flow and I suspect Zach has been told to stay at home abit just in case there is a turnover. His leg speed can get him across the ground well enough to hopefully pick up any opponents flying back forward-bound for the kick over the press.

I think Ratts wants Zach to lock down and starve his opponent rather be the dasher he has been in the VFL. The dash will come. At the moment he is still a rock solid performer who allows others to do their thing knowing has their back.


I agree Cazz, I am happy for him to play a negating role and really learn about shutting down opponents. His run will come as he develops confidence and it will complement Yarran. If we have two who can run and carry and deliver really effectively it makes it harder for the oppo to shut them down. I am happy to be patient with Tuohy. What is really impressive is his run to support with a shepherd and also his height and strength.


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