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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:04 pm 
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Goal kicking was atrocious but how do we fix it?

Backline were very good considering they were all giving up 5-10cm and a heap of weight. Cant afford to keep doing this. (with Bower off early Watson may need to come back in for White)

Changes need to be made but who goes out? Hammer needs too but will most likely be for an out of form player.

Would like to see Army or Lucas in after todays efforts but who for?

Suprisingly Army was VERY GOOD in front of goal today for the ants both set shots and out of congestion.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:05 pm 
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Anyone who blames Ratten for tonights effort is a tool.

It was the same players and the same game plan after 1/4 time when it should have been about 7gls to 1gl except for poor kicking. After that all the problems were player related not Coach related.

Hanging it on the players but the Coach was not the problem tonight.

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Well call me Mr Sid Chrome. I blame Ratten for having absolutely no forward line structure whatsoever, we bomb long to no-one, we have mids streaming fwd only to stop and look sideways at 60m out because of the complete lack of movement and strategic forward positioning, we create no spaces and when we do no-one seems to lead into them. we are not well drilled at passing to a leading forward, leading AT the ball carrier, or into an advantageous space. this is a basic training drill at any level of football. we have so many rushed behinds from opposition


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:08 pm 
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Laguna Legend wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Anyone who blames Ratten for tonights effort is a tool.

It was the same players and the same game plan after 1/4 time when it should have been about 7gls to 1gl except for poor kicking. After that all the problems were player related not Coach related.

Hanging it on the players but the Coach was not the problem tonight.

Regards Cazzesman



Well call me Mr Sid Chrome. I blame Ratten for having absolutely no forward line structure whatsoever, we bomb long to no-one, we have mids streaming fwd only to stop and look sideways at 60m out because of the complete lack of movement and strategic forward positioning, we create no spaces and when we do no-one seems to lead into them. we are not well drilled at passing to a leading forward, leading AT the ball carrier, or into an advantageous space. this is a basic training drill at any level of football. we have so many rushed behinds from opposition


So was the 1st quarter a fluke or did we have 22 different players for 30 minutes and a different game plan?

Did you go to the game or watch it on TV?

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:08 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Andy Lee in the rooms after the game :oops:

"Oh hi Hammer. So...how's things?"



"Thanks for asking Andy. I'd have to say that generally things are on the up."

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:12 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Andy Lee in the rooms after the game :oops:

"Oh hi Hammer. So...how's things?"



"Thanks for asking Andy. I'd have to say that generally things are on the up."

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:13 pm 
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This win just paper's over the cracks. Adelaide isn't a top 8 side. They are ravaged by injury and we just win. Full credit to the coaching staff for the improvement in tackling this year but it is as if all our players are coached to be midfielders.

- Warnock and Hampson are not coached on the basics of marking
- Waite plays too high. Opposition coaches will be wrapped to see him taking marks 60 meters out
- Goal kicking problem is as much a function of an inadequate forward structure as poor goal kicking technique (which is a coaching responsibility anyway).
- We persist with players that may be triers and good trainers but are not the future. If white is better than watson I will go he. If Joseph or ellard, as well as he played today, than lucas, I would like to someone in the know to point out why.
- Surely you would risk another KPP as Sub over Joseph.
- I watch Gibbs & I can not see the impact the coaching staff has had on his game. He can not carry the ball and isn't hard enough.


1. warnock takes a reasonable mark - its more his set shot kicking that is of concern. hampson is getting there - his marking this year is a step up from previous years
2. waite plays high atm b/c we dont have a marking target around HF - its something that henderson would normally be
3. goal kicking - imo its a mental issue more than technique - and more technique rather than a forward structure thing
4. watson isnt physically ready yet - that he was rested last week post-pies game shows that. Expect watson to float in and out of the side this year rather than consolidate a spot. Also, from ants reports ellard and joseph have been in reasonable form for most of the year - lucas has been a way off and is slowly finding his feet again. Much rather we bring in players in form rather than someone who has been struggling
5. Which KP sub would you have had? Also, how would the KP sub have influenced the game if murphy/judd had come off with a hammy in the 1st quarter? - subs will generally be players that can add to the midfield rotation as that is where games can be more easily won/lost. Also, joseph had an impact - made the key tackle in the last few seconds that stopped a forward thrust from the crows and prevented them from potentially tying the game
6. I agree gibbs has been below par the past couple of weeks - first 4 weeks was reasonable though. I dont think he will ever be an inside mid - will play more a buckley receiver type role.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:13 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Laguna Legend wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Anyone who blames Ratten for tonights effort is a tool.

It was the same players and the same game plan after 1/4 time when it should have been about 7gls to 1gl except for poor kicking. After that all the problems were player related not Coach related.

Hanging it on the players but the Coach was not the problem tonight.

Regards Cazzesman



Well call me Mr Sid Chrome. I blame Ratten for having absolutely no forward line structure whatsoever, we bomb long to no-one, we have mids streaming fwd only to stop and look sideways at 60m out because of the complete lack of movement and strategic forward positioning, we create no spaces and when we do no-one seems to lead into them. we are not well drilled at passing to a leading forward, leading AT the ball carrier, or into an advantageous space. this is a basic training drill at any level of football. we have so many rushed behinds from opposition


So was the 1st quarter a fluke or did we have 22 different players for 30 minutes and a different game plan?

Did you go to the game or watch it on TV?

Regards Cazzesman


im at every game, except never been to W.A, what about you?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:14 pm 
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very very frustrating game, just happy we got the 4 points in the end........relieved.

What's the story with Yazz?? is it just a corky??
I noticed he had his quad iced up once he got subbed....

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:16 pm 
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Gibbs needs to learn that hanging out 2-3 mteres off every contest, waiting for the ball to squirt out the back, is a cheats way of playing footy.
Have a look at the desperation of Curnow,Judd,Simmo,Murphy,Robbo etc.

I don't know how he gets away with it. Next week against the Swans he will be found out.
1 possession in the last qt against the Bummers last week when the heat was on........little impact tonight,and Ryan Houlihan cops it for lack of hardness. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:17 pm 
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Laguna Legend wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:

So was the 1st quarter a fluke or did we have 22 different players for 30 minutes and a different game plan?

Did you go to the game or watch it on TV?

Regards Cazzesman


im at every game, except never been to W.A, what about you?


It was a reasonable question...whenever I see a game on TV after having seen it live, I often see them completely differently. He just wanted to know from which perspective you saw it.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:19 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Figer wrote:
A win is a win, these are the games that make the difference between a home final or interstate, so often in the last couple of years we'd cough up that result & walk away livered as supporters, but to the boys credit they dug deep & saluted!

I must admit guys, I really hate going into a game the hot favourite, I just find our guys can't handle that sort of expectation all that well yet, whereas next week we'll go in as outsiders, swans a week off & the pressure will all be on them & I know our boys will turn up & ready to go from the first bounce!!!

I reckon our boy Gibber might have been carrying a flu because that was the worst performance I'd ever seen of him, so I'll cut him some slack!


That's a classic - rapted with that!!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:19 pm 
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Mrs Caz wrote:
Laguna Legend wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:

So was the 1st quarter a fluke or did we have 22 different players for 30 minutes and a different game plan?

Did you go to the game or watch it on TV?

Regards Cazzesman


im at every game, except never been to W.A, what about you?


It was a reasonable question...whenever I see a game on TV after having seen it live, I often see them completely differently. He just wanted to know from which perspective you saw it.


from the wing on the 2nd level. also watch every game during the week again on foxtel or recorded
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:20 pm 
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Yes I was there LL. Did you not notice the 18 Crow jumpers inside our F50 on many occasions during the game from 1/4 time on. The problem was the lack of free space during the flood and shite disposal into the forward line more so that the players inside F50.

Time and again the kicks flew well over the head of the intended target and the turnover was on. You can blame plenty of things but the forward structure was not the issue, it was the way it went in after 1/4 time.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:21 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Laguna Legend wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Anyone who blames Ratten for tonights effort is a tool.

It was the same players and the same game plan after 1/4 time when it should have been about 7gls to 1gl except for poor kicking. After that all the problems were player related not Coach related.

Hanging it on the players but the Coach was not the problem tonight.

Regards Cazzesman



Well call me Mr Sid Chrome. I blame Ratten for having absolutely no forward line structure whatsoever, we bomb long to no-one, we have mids streaming fwd only to stop and look sideways at 60m out because of the complete lack of movement and strategic forward positioning, we create no spaces and when we do no-one seems to lead into them. we are not well drilled at passing to a leading forward, leading AT the ball carrier, or into an advantageous space. this is a basic training drill at any level of football. we have so many rushed behinds from opposition


So was the 1st quarter a fluke or did we have 22 different players for 30 minutes and a different game plan?

Did you go to the game or watch it on TV?

Regards Cazzesman
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Have to agree with LL.

Went last week and made the same observation. Watched on tv tonight,and while Waite in particular seemed to lead more, the fwd line still seemed totally disorganised.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:21 pm 
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I cannot wait for the day when we play four quarters of solid footy.

Goddammit after the first quarter I thought I was in for a relaxing night and instead I'm tearing my hair out with minutes to go in the final term again.

Thank @#$%&! it wasn't another draw.

Our kicking was just laughable and you have to think that it becomes psychological after a while - no one looked comfortable taking a set shot except Walker.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:21 pm 
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See? That wasn't so hard, was it? :razz:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:24 pm 
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The way I see it we aren't yet a top 1-3 team but we are a 4-6 team and to be honest as much as I wanted to the throw my collingwood flatmate into the TV, we won and thats all that matters at this stage!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:25 pm 
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Seriously that guy playing second ruck is rewarded with selection on the basis of what? Is winning a few more hit outs more beneficial than having a contest in the forward line? I really believe Carlos at least would add pressure and creativity inside 50, even if he is under done. We have to stop picking players who have no influence on the game.......ever.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:25 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Gibbs needs to learn that hanging out 2-3 mteres off every contest, waiting for the ball to squirt out the back, is a cheats way of playing footy.
Have a look at the desperation of Curnow,Judd,Simmo,Murphy,Robbo etc.


Gibbs is an outside Mid and this is the role he has been asked to play by the coaching staff. The guys you mentioned are inside mids (Murph debatable). Not all players can be inside mids or who would the insiders have to pass the ball out to. The outside mid is a legit position. Whether he is playing that role well or not is another question entirely.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 11:26 pm 
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Smallman wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Gibbs needs to learn that hanging out 2-3 mteres off every contest, waiting for the ball to squirt out the back, is a cheats way of playing footy.
Have a look at the desperation of Curnow,Judd,Simmo,Murphy,Robbo etc.


Gibbs is an outside Mid and this is the role he has been asked to play by the coaching staff. The guys you mentioned are inside mids (Murph debatable). Not all players can be inside mids or who would the insiders have to pass the ball out to. The outside mid is a legit position. Whether he is playing that role well or not is another question entirely.

Even Dale Thomas can impose himself on the contest when needed. Dale @#$%&! Thomas.

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