My Collingwood mate sent me a text yesterday saying the last time carlton beat a team outside the bottom 4 was rd 11 last year.

It's true but it doesnt mean that much. At Rd 11 we were 7-4, we crashed after that and lost some stupid games which is why we were 8th. But its not a 12 team competition anymore. You don't play everyone twice and its not an even draw.
obviouslly the text must have done the rounds of Collingwood supporters yesterday but these sort of stats are irrlvant to what happens on the field. If St Kilda beats Essendon* and then we do next week, it'll probably still be us beating bottom teams but you can only beat who the AFL schedules against you.

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I'm going to quickly cover keogh's questions, but I request if he or anyone else wants to follow up, to please do so in the match discussion threads.

1. Forward; he did ok. Not fantastic, but ok. It's a tough gig where not being on the same page as your team mate with the ball can leave you making up a lot of ground.

2. Rubbish. 11/18 possessions contested, our lesser lights who had horrible nights weren't hitting him up in general play. Made some good shepherds. His game is already at a new level.

3. Disagree. Some bad fumbles, but some brave play as well.

4. This is an area of concern and focuses around a lack of organisation between players once the ball is tapped. We should be playing for tap zones rather than a direct tap, and players should know based on their position around the stoppage exactly what to do once the ball is tapped, then exactly what to do if their team does or doesn't win the ball. Collingwood did, we didn't. Most teams do, we don't seem to.

We seem to play for the direct tap, which is disgusting and undoes all the good work of Capuano and his students.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Just trying to give another point of view
Thats not trolling
Maybe there should be some rule that to be on this site you should have a specific opinion about the onfield peformance of the CFC.





DANE

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Geez, the '95 side must have been ordinary in hindsight...

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

At your request I've had another think about what Preacher posted......................................................................................

Nup, I've got nuthin' more to add.

But if you are happy to keep reading Preachers mind and translating for the rest of us then I'm happy to read his real thoughts.

Regards Cazzesman

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Bentick got a mention for Port Melbourne today ...

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

1 If you think Walker did ok your wrong. If he is to make it its as a running defender. does not possess a football brain
2 Murphy had a reasonable game but his impact was minimal.Stats dont tell the full story
3 I given examples of how he squibs it. When was he brave

As for you Caz keep trotting out your arrogance.
I will keep trolling as Dane refers to it
One thing you have used as an argument when anyone questions certain things is that we are still developing and youthful.

Cant use that anymore when talking about Walker and Murphy
as for Ratts I maintain he is punching way above his weight as far as an effective AFL coach

But what do I know
those 2 flags we are going to get in the next 5 years according to our esteemed president is a monty

Walker is an average player unfortunately.

But Murphy and Gibbs are not.

Goddard & Hodge weren't labelled 'superstars' until 23-24y.o.

Adam Cooney is just above Murphy and Gibbs IMO - but Gibbs has two years on Cooney.

But Murphy has really stepped up the ante in contested posessions and will get better as the year goes on. In fact he is three behind Dwayne Swan three rounds in and Swan has almost five years on Murphy.

Dwayne Swan wasn't labelled a 'gun' until he was 26.

As for Gibbs

Dwayne Swan 108 disposals 70% efficiency -- Gibbs 85 possessions 81% efficiency three rounds in.

Some perspective thanks.

I haven't said anything about the game so you are clutching at straws there. So far I have only seen the 1st 50 minutes of the game and for about 40 minutes of those the team acquitted themselves pretty well.

As for what you know? Every time you post you confirm more about what you think rather than how much you know.

Regards Cazzesman

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Seriously nobody believes that we are yet 'good enough' Last night was good for us on a number of levels lest of all on what we need to do to improve and be a real threat. The other great thing that came out of last night was that we do have the capability to be a real threat, the players and coaching staff would have seen that and now it is up to them to develop and put in place what is needed. We can and will get better, Collingwood not so.

The last thing that came out of last night is that Collingwood are vunerable, they did not cope with fast movement of ball forward and the opposition using angles in that movement.

we will beat them next time.

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L.M 35-06

Why have you started throwing Murphy into your after loss rants ? He has played two very good games and one average one this season. He also had a great 09' and a fine 10' after no pre season.

Is that the trolling stuff that Dane refers to?

I'm going to just throw this out there, I'm not a huge fan of Hotcox.

He's a bit irritating and delusional.

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Carlton 2012: Lets remind them why they once feared the Dark.

The telling shot from 50, his mark on the defensive goal line in the pack. Several times where he did in fact go in first for the ball. It was there in the game when I reviewed it. The worst stuff was the fumbles, but away from that he was quick in his movement of the ball.

Receive; give or go. Quicker than most.

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20 ways to see the world,
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kindest regards tommi

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The thing I and all Blues supporters want to see is these number one picks start to pick it up in big games.
That didnt happen Fri night
On your points you have made.
Time is still on both players sides( MUrphy and Gibbs)

but Hodge won a Norm Smith at 24 which was no suprise so I reckon your off the money there

Goddard took a while to get going true but he has the body type to play almost anywhere.That has aided his development. Murphy is a small player. Can really only be a mid/forward
I had a huge respect for Swan 4 years ago. He simply was underrated by almost everyone
Stats as I have said are convenient in backing up a point and have some relevence but dont reflect the whole story.
Swan is extremly strong through the core and very quick off the mark and always has been. Once he could run out games he was always going to be a star.
Murphy to me is a good player but I cant see where the x factor is with him

As for Gibbs there are some parallels with him and Travis Johnstone.
Great kick great vision and an ability to read the game ahead of nearly every other player.
But he never got out of second gear and in the end he finished his career as a loose man in defence gathering cheap and easy possessions just liked Gibbs was doing in the second half of Friday's contest. Thats the concern with me and if Gibbsy is that good he should be in the thick of the action when any game is on the line

They are both good players but the jury is out that both will elevate their game to the next level.


You give up a lot to get number one picks.

The jury may still be out but if you look at the progress of Swan from when he was 22 (as Bryce is now) until now, he has come on in leaps and bounds. No reason why Gibbs can't/won't do the same. Each year he gets a bigger motor and a more strength.

Go to footywire and do some comparisons.

http://www.footywire.com/

As a 22 yr old nobody expected Swan to reach the heights he has now reached. He was very lucky not to be in jail.

Regards Cazzesman

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imo there would be 4 or 5 players currently in our top 22 who have reach there peak and are not worthy of there spot time to play some kids who will improve the side .

Keogh, I think you are judging the players on where they were taken in the draft. They had no say in that. As fans we have to get over that or at least get over blaming the player for not be as good as we hoped for with a no 1 pick.

There is nothing to say that the number 1 one year is the equivalent of number 1 the next.

I think Murphy is a fine player. His play winning the ball and his use of the ball improves each year and his play without the ball has improved out of sight over the last two years.
Gibbs is nice player who reads the ball well and kicks well and makes good decisions when allowed a bit of time. Half back flanker for me but deserves a shot to prove he can play on ball if that is what he has his heart set on.

Its been almost 11 months since we beat a team above us apparently!