I think there is a bit of confusion about what our goal is. According to the website and Jammo ( http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx )



We can finish 8th, get a home final and lose it by 20 goals and meet that aim. It's pretty simple to have one easily understood and explained aim. 2008 it was to have a % over 100 which was a reasonable aim from where we were. 2009 was to play finals, 2010 was to win a final - ie to make the second week of the finals. Surely if we are intent on improving, our aim this year has to be top 4, if we are really progressing.

Its the mixed messages that are confusing and destabilising. Swan says significant improvement, Ratts and Jammo are setting golas the same as 2010, Kerna says, during the season, we are trading a ruckman, Ratts says not.

The roles of Kerna and Swan, regardless of their footy history, is primarily in admin, resourcing and staffing the footy dept, not speaking for it or being part of it. So Ratts at least needs a year run where he is delivering the footy messages, and those messages need to be consistent and ambitious. If we don't improve on this year, then we get someone other than Kerna and Swan to set up a process for selecting a new coach sometime in September. And when Kerna and Swan say Vossy is the man, someone needs to tell them to shut up.

how do you get a home final finishing 8th?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

easy,the top 8 are all vic clubs

gee we could finish last then there's this plane crash/earthquake/alien invasionthing and only eight teams remain - we get to play finals and lose by 7,658 goals but still we got the home final.

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wtf are you on mate?what was that supposed mean?

Yeah Danny, wtf are you on .....mate?

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As I wrote in your thread gerry it is your interpretation that assumes just winning a final is our only aim. I'll post my reply to you in that thread again. I think they are all expecting significant improvement.



You originally stated... "How low are we aiming? I thought after Ratts claimed this as his aim at the end of the season he would have been told to get serious and aim to actually be better than last season, like win a final, finish top 4, win more games than we lose, win 14 games. For heaven's sake raise the bar! This is such a nothing aim."






And I replied

''I'm not so sure Gerry. I don't think you have read the article the right way.


I don't think the implication was that we expected to limp into the finals and hope we play a vic team to get a home final. Michael states, "but a home final has to be our goal this year, if not top four." Considering he is linking that aim to just below a top four spot then I think he is talking about a guaranteed home final based on ladder position, either fifth or sixth. That should cover your win more games than you lose query and move towards the 14 wins goal.


The fact that Michael also states that (well according to the author anyway) that the final losses, ''have left a bitter taste in the players' mouths" and that he '' believes there is plenty to suggest the Blues can go deeper into September'' would indicate to me that they fully expect to win a final. Which knocks off another of your requests.

Possibly a valid critcism is the aim of top four, although he does say, ''if not top four"

I really do think the article was actually about us expecting to do better than last season, rather than some sort of stagnation.

One of us is wrong anyway Or both partly right''

thats not really a home final per se'

its a final in vic but not a true home final

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Just GIVE us a home final

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I see your point Belisarius, but why isn't the club's simple message that we are aiming at top 4. Then there is no problem with interpretation and no mixed messages, and it indicates we are aiming clearly to improve.

Probably because we could end up 5th on percentage and some of you lot would be saying 'Sack Ratten because we didn't finish top 4'.

I doubt there is any problem with interpretation within the Clubs inner sanctum. The suggested mixed messages have no real bearing on what you or I or anyone else thinks does it. Personally we have our own expectations on the team so other peoples opinions are just that.

Does anyone really think at the end of the year Jamo says 'Oh I thought we just had to finish 6th so I only tried hard enough to reach that goal' and Gibbo says 'I thought we were aiming for top 4 so I tried abit harder'.

It's all semantics as I said earlier.

Regards Cazzesman

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Could be because some of the kids were jumped on for suggesting we could go all the way when we were doing so well early last season. It is a no win situation. If players etc come out with lofty goals they are accused of getting ahead of themselves by some, if they hose down expectation they are accused of lacking ambition by some. Different people have different views as to how we should go about things and unfortunately you can't please everyone. As Cazz has just written I suspect that they are pretty clear within the inner sanctum as to what they expect. We'll just have to see how the season pans out

played a round of golf today with an ex Blues champion - he suggests expectations amongst the ex players is high (I like the bloke, no bullshit, hard as nails and helped us win 4 flags)

words to the effect = no excuses.......everyone, coach included, needs to stand up!

Thanks for that LB.

Our expectations are high too. I have no doubt that Ratts knows all eyes are on him and he will not be spared if he fails to earn a home final and win one. It's a tough gig considering other teams with equally high aspirations are catching to us. Ratts hopes they don't pass us in 2011. I don't think they will moreso because of our new recruits Richardson and Brown.

4 Flags: Jezza. McKay. Doull. MacLure....there's a few more and the last one mentioned should be on our Board of Directors.

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see! see!

I set a goal and already I'm being slammed!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

The season just past the clubs goal was to win a final and we failed to do so. I am pretty sure that a majority of supporters are comfortable to see Ratts see out the final year of his contract. I did not see or hear much "sack Ratten" after the season was over because we failed to win a final.

yer........ wtf, mate! In fact: maaaaaaate

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Jezza, McKay, Doull, Johnston, Jones. Maclure only 3.

I can't see Perc or Dominator getting around 18 holes. I wouldn't imagine Doull going out to play. So it's gotta be Jezza or Swanny. I think Jezza would've been written about a little differently, so I'm going with Swan McKay!

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Its not about the absolute VCE score thats the issue. good teachers get the best out of their kids, regardless of where they sit along the learning continuum. same with coaches. look at the 02 and 03 coll.gf sides. more spuds than talent

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are you guys still at school or just computer geeks, because i doubt you would show the same sarcasm if you were face to face.what do they call guys like you ?keyboard heroes?