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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:19 am 
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I've said all year that I would hold my judgement till seasons end on ratts future as our coach....... But geez he's making it tough on me by giving the players a day off after possibly the worst performence of the past 3 years!

What the he'll is he thinking????


Half a day...they missed the normal Tuesday arvo weight session. It has merit. A midweek weights session isn't going to make the difference. It isn't what I would have done though. I would have taken them to a rundown gym in the 'burbs...put them in front of Wes Lofts and John Nicholls who would say...

'this is where you'll be next year if you don't pull your finger out. You have it too easy. A lot of people invested a lot of time and money so you could have the best possible resources to play good football. You're back back here next week if you repeat the same shit you put up against Collingwood. Coaches - don't go anywhere...put the gloves on and get in the ring.'


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:28 am 
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It is the coach's job to get the best out of the players. This is not happening.
It is the coach's job to have a clear, defined game plan. This is not evident.
It is the coach's job to take a collection of players, and to mould them into the best possible 'team', so that they work with and for each other. This is not happening.

We have players with immense skill and ability, who are not performing as they should. Gibbs and Murphy are the obvious ones, number 1 draft picks who, while they may be picking up possessions, are simply not having an influence over games. It is the coach's job to get the best out of these players. Of course, the players are not immune to criticism, and they should be copping their fair whack, but at the end of the day, if the coach cannot get the best out of his players, if he cannot motivate them, if he cannot implement a clear, defined game plan based on the players he has, then he is not the right person for the job.

Look at Malthouse and Roos, look at what they were / are able to achieve with a list of players that were / are not stars. Roos won a Premiership, Malthouse may very well this year. They have absolutely defined game plans that the whole football world understands. When a player comes into the team, he knows exactly what his role is. And the coaches are able to get the absolute best out of their players week-in, week-out.

We are so far away from that it is laughable.



I can't think of more than 5 player that I would consider to have the neccessary skills.

You can't get blood out of stone. I suspect that Ratten is doing as well as anyone could with this group. They are playing as well as they can under pressure ... and its just not good enough.

Glad to see other people are starting to agree with me. Changing coach won't increase the general skill level of this group. The reality is harsh but true ... we need to start again ... recruit better ... put money into resourcing. What a pain!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:41 am 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I've said all year that I would hold my judgement till seasons end on ratts future as our coach....... But geez he's making it tough on me by giving the players a day off after possibly the worst performence of the past 3 years!

What the he'll is he thinking????


Half a day...they missed the normal Tuesday arvo weight session. It has merit. A midweek weights session isn't going to make the difference. It isn't what I would have done though. I would have taken them to a rundown gym in the 'burbs...put them in front of Wes Lofts and John Nicholls who would say...[/i]


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Yesterday Carlton also tried to lighten the mood after a grim weekend, with Brett Ratten giving his players half a day off to get out of the place and go home.

With a scheduled rostered day off today, the players have been instructed to forget about football for a while, with Ratten deciding the less-is-more approach would be of more benefit for lifting team spirits.


Not meaning to be pedantic but with a "scheduled" RDO today its one and a half days off.

One would think given the efforts of the team that perhaps the "scheduled" day off would have been put on hold and that they should be using the time to work on structures and basic skills, two of the key areas this team has stuggled with most of this season....

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:45 pm 
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BluesRockMyWorld wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
ryan2000 wrote:
I've said all year that I would hold my judgement till seasons end on ratts future as our coach....... But geez he's making it tough on me by giving the players a day off after possibly the worst performence of the past 3 years!

What the he'll is he thinking????


Half a day...they missed the normal Tuesday arvo weight session. It has merit. A midweek weights session isn't going to make the difference. It isn't what I would have done though. I would have taken them to a rundown gym in the 'burbs...put them in front of Wes Lofts and John Nicholls who would say...[/i]


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Yesterday Carlton also tried to lighten the mood after a grim weekend, with Brett Ratten giving his players half a day off to get out of the place and go home.

With a scheduled rostered day off today, the players have been instructed to forget about football for a while, with Ratten deciding the less-is-more approach would be of more benefit for lifting team spirits.


Not meaning to be pedantic but with a "scheduled" RDO today its one and a half days off.

One would think given the efforts of the team that perhaps the "scheduled" day off would have been put on hold and that they should be using the time to work on structures and basic skills, two of the key areas this team has stuggled with most of this season....


Or Ratts could have just said to the players - Go home and have a long hard think about whether you want to play for us. If you do then come back and show me!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:34 am 
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In todays HS. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/line-in-shirk-game-onway/story-e6frf9jf-1225901352568


"It is partially a line in the sand (game), I wouldn't say fully line in the sand,
but maybe it's the biggest defining moment of our season so far," Ratten said yesterday.



What is a partial line in the sand ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It either is or it isn't. !!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:00 am 
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Outback Blue wrote:
In todays HS. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/line-in-shirk-game-onway/story-e6frf9jf-1225901352568


"It is partially a line in the sand (game), I wouldn't say fully line in the sand,
but maybe it's the biggest defining moment of our season so far," Ratten said yesterday.



What is a partial line in the sand ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It either is or it isn't. !!!!!!!


He is all over the shop - What the crack does that quote mean??!!
Interesting to hear Mark McClure getting stuck into Ratten last night on a Foxtel program.
Basically said that he can't coach and that only 3 players have improved under his reign


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:32 am 
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Outback Blue wrote:
In todays HS. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/line-in-shirk-game-onway/story-e6frf9jf-1225901352568


"It is partially a line in the sand (game), I wouldn't say fully line in the sand,
but maybe it's the biggest defining moment of our season so far," Ratten said yesterday.



What is a partial line in the sand ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It either is or it isn't. !!!!!!!


Indeed.

Its a worrying fact that it takes at least 6 shizen performances before our coach decides to come out with "a partial line in the sand" call. Fact is this team should be switched on mentally and physically EVERY game. They should always have a never say die attitude and always be prepared to play hard contested footy. The problem is that I'm not sure any of our players either understand that or are capable of it and thats truly depressing.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:27 am 
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Just dont draw the line too deep, as we may need to change our minds and erase it later depending on what the stats tell us


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:49 am 
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Ratten may be regretting his words after the game about players not going in for the ball and changes will be made. While he never mentioned names (nor he should) any player who is dropped this week will be seen as the players he was referring to. This could have a really negative impact on not only the player/s involved but the rest of the team.
He is really all over the place with his comments and the club needs a strong leader at this time.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:03 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Ratten may be regretting his words after the game about players not going in for the ball and changes will be made. While he never mentioned names (nor he should) any player who is dropped this week will be seen as the players he was referring to. This could have a really negative impact on not only the player/s involved but the rest of the team.
He is really all over the place with his comments and the club needs a strong leader at this time.


Maybe we are really like Geelong of 2006?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:17 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Ratten may be regretting his words after the game about players not going in for the ball and changes will be made. While he never mentioned names (nor he should) any player who is dropped this week will be seen as the players he was referring to. This could have a really negative impact on not only the player/s involved but the rest of the team.
He is really all over the place with his comments and the club needs a strong leader at this time.


IF true then the players all need to grow the @#$%&! up.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:40 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Brett Ratten = Rafa Benitez
Those who follow the English Premier League will understand this comparison.


Ratts doesn't have his hands tied with 2 Americans running the club into the ground.

Ratts didn't win a champions league

Ratts then didn't back that up with an apperance in a final of same said competition

Ratts has never got the side to contend for 1st

Ratts did not come from a wildly successful past elsewhere before taking the reins.

Ratts would not get a job anywhere at the top level if he left Carlton today

Where is the similarity?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:45 pm 
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fraser murphy wrote:
kezza wrote:
Ratten may be regretting his words after the game about players not going in for the ball and changes will be made. While he never mentioned names (nor he should) any player who is dropped this week will be seen as the players he was referring to. This could have a really negative impact on not only the player/s involved but the rest of the team.
He is really all over the place with his comments and the club needs a strong leader at this time.


Maybe we are really like Geelong of 2006?


Maybe we are really like Hawthorn of 2003?

Maybe we are really like St Kilda of 1999?

Maybe we are really like Fremantle of 2004?

Maybe we are really like Richmond of 1996?

Maybe we are really like Carlton of 2010?

We could be anything really. No reason to keep a guy in charge who isn't doing a good job in the vain hope it will start coming up all Geelong suddenly.

Not saying we sack him now, but we don't give a guy an indefinite period just because it worked for Geelong. How about this example, St Kilda got rid of Grant Thomas in 2006, does anyone think they would of been better off keeping him?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:53 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
fraser murphy wrote:
kezza wrote:
Ratten may be regretting his words after the game about players not going in for the ball and changes will be made. While he never mentioned names (nor he should) any player who is dropped this week will be seen as the players he was referring to. This could have a really negative impact on not only the player/s involved but the rest of the team.
He is really all over the place with his comments and the club needs a strong leader at this time.


Maybe we are really like Geelong of 2006?


Maybe we are really like Hawthorn of 2003?

Maybe we are really like St Kilda of 1999?

Maybe we are really like Fremantle of 2004?

Maybe we are really like Richmond of 1996?

Maybe we are really like Carlton of 2010?

We could be anything really. No reason to keep a guy in charge who isn't doing a good job in the vain hope it will start coming up all Geelong suddenly.

Not saying we sack him now, but we don't give a guy an indefinite period just because it worked for Geelong. How about this example, St Kilda got rid of Grant Thomas in 2006, does anyone think they would of been better off keeping him?


It was a joke about Bomber, AC.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:30 pm 
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We don't have long to wait now.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:50 pm 
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Great to see Marcus Davies in the side...and Hadley and Robinson and Armfield......... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Outback Blue wrote:
In todays HS. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/line-in-shirk-game-onway/story-e6frf9jf-1225901352568


"It is partially a line in the sand (game), I wouldn't say fully line in the sand,
but maybe it's the biggest defining moment of our season so far," Ratten said yesterday.



What is a partial line in the sand ?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,It either is or it isn't. !!!!!!!


Think "non-core promise"...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:24 pm 
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We don't have long to wait now.

This period is just the calm before the storm...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:30 pm 
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Ratten can't afford to have a line in the sand game, because if we lose, he knows he puts his job on the line.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:36 pm 
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Line in the sand......funny $hit

come up with something a bit original Ratts, don't quote us Champion data rubbish or roll out a Dermie line or some stupid footy cliche.


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