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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:40 pm 
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I'd rather Carrie Fisher in the forward line frankly.





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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:54 pm 
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Ummmm so who else last weekend took marks in the forward 50? Betts, Hendo, Hampson????????

Fisher may not be the long term solution but who else is knocking down the door? He kicked way more goals in the 2nds that any other player while he was there and looked to be the most viable option last week in an awful carlton forward line.

Thornton has kicked how many goals in his career?
Did hampson kick a bag last week? Hendo?

Or should we just delist Fisher because people don't like him and let Betts continue to be played as out main marking forward? OR because we have such an abundance of forwards who are better or have been in better form fisher is holding out? :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:21 pm 
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Play Thornton and Fisher in the forward line - how about that?

Hampson needs time.... Henderson need time.. time is up...

Play the experienced blokes.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:26 pm 
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blue4 wrote:
Play Thornton and Fisher in the forward line - how about that?

Hampson needs time.... Henderson need time.. time is up...

Play the experienced blokes.


Kidding right?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:35 pm 
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blue4 wrote:
Play Thornton and Fisher in the forward line - how about that?

Hampson needs time.... Henderson need time.. time is up...

Play the experienced blokes.


Wow...

Look, I think I've read some pretty crazy things on this site over the years, but I may just have a new one for the pool room here.

Time is up???? For 20/21yo talls??? In a year that was always going to be about building for the future???

I'm pretty much speechless.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:11 pm 
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Firstly I'm not sure why Brad Fisher is still associated with CFC and why he'd even be given a chance to make a topic as he should only be known as "Could have been, Should have been" and now will probably go on to be a 100 game player.. FOR WHAT? Same goes for Bret Thornton who should have been shipped to Hawthorn when he was worth something. Beats me, it really does.

Brad Fisher, 8th season, 99 games, 127 goals, 2002 National AFL Draft 6th round selection (Carlton) No. 72 overall.

Those are the credentials of a passed player.

Play Thornton forward? This sounds like a bandaid solution to the forward line when we've got the players who just aren't used there?

Personally, Thornton back in defense and Waite PERMANENTLY forward is the obvious choice.

Maybe Walker up forward? Not even based on his last quarter efforts against the pies but his ability to make a lead.

What was Match Committee thinking playing Fisher ahead of Robinson?

Thornton cannot be used as a leading forward, he does not have the ability to do so. I'd actually think Houlihan would provide a better target only JUST.

Conclusion, Brad Fisher brings disgrace to the CFC jumper, harsh? Well it's reality, he clearly showed no promise in his junior days, hence pick 72, and not to mention 8 long years on the list. Just another VFL gun, AFL dud.


Sorry, it's you and this post that bring disgrace to the Carlton Football Club.

Any man who battles manfully through a couple of serious shoulder injuries and a knee reconstruction to run out 99 times in the the navy blue deserves our admiration and thanks not the tripe you have posted.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:30 pm 
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Move of the year!!

I'd also play Judd and yarran off half back....
Use murph as the inside midfielder that he is, and Gibbs as the outside player that we recruited for...
Play Waite a CHB in the 'Dustin Fletcher' role.

Our 3 classiest players running off half back, able to see what's ahead of them and help set up.

We need brains running out of defence. Good decision makers.... Footballers that can win contests and give off under pressure.....then kick it to Thornton... :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:55 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
blue4 wrote:
Play Thornton and Fisher in the forward line - how about that?

Hampson needs time.... Henderson need time.. time is up...

Play the experienced blokes.


Wow...

Look, I think I've read some pretty crazy things on this site over the years, but I may just have a new one for the pool room here.

Time is up???? For 20/21yo talls??? In a year that was always going to be about building for the future???

I'm pretty much speechless.

In his defence, I think he means for this season, i.e. performance over development until our number is up.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:03 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
Fish is a good looking rooster who'll probably have at least two sons.

And you want to leave him stranded on 99 games??

Well, don't come bitching to me in 2030 when Max Fisher is AA U18 CHF, and his younger brother is starring at CHB in the U16s.


As long as Max has daddy's sticky hands .... but can kick.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:38 pm 
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Rather than Worry about the forwards let's focus on our defence.

Most clubs build a defensive unit first.

Teams normally settle their defensive units and play them in those positions each week.

Our defensive unit have been chopped and changed continuosly all year. How are they supposed to establish a rapore as a group??

Step 1 for me would be to decide who our defenders should be and play them together for the rest of the year; Jamieson, Thornton, Waite, Bower, as the 4 key defenders and then a
rotation of Anderson, Armfield, Russell & Gibbs. This will enable the defenders to bond together and get to know how each other plays. Most defensive units defend as a team not as individuals. Our defence is sadly lacking cohension and confidence in each other.

Waite must be settled in one position. If it is Half Back then Half back it should be. His ability to chop off leads and read the play are just what our defence requires. Joe Anderson is a far better bet in defence than Walker. He is tall, courageous and quick and his kicking is no worse than Walker's. The most important thing is that he is a natural defender !!

Focus on Henderson, Fisher, Hampson and O'Hailpin as the key forwards and Kreuzer when he returns. If Waite was to play forward then Henderson must go back but I would prefer Waite in defence.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:15 am 
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Ummmm so who else last weekend took marks in the forward 50? Betts, Hendo, Hampson????????

Fisher may not be the long term solution but who else is knocking down the door? He kicked way more goals in the 2nds that any other player while he was there and looked to be the most viable option last week in an awful carlton forward line.

Thornton has kicked how many goals in his career?
Did hampson kick a bag last week? Hendo?

Or should we just delist Fisher because people don't like him and let Betts continue to be played as out main marking forward? OR because we have such an abundance of forwards who are better or have been in better form fisher is holding out? :roll:


It is not for the one or two marks that he takes, it is for the 20 or so he doesn't that lead to the opposition side waltzing out of defence with ease, that people want him out of the side. The fact that he can get a game shows you how dire our situation is. You're right we do not have many (if any) other options. Miind you I wouldn't mind seeing us play Hendo out of the square and maybe a small but quick half forward line with Waite at CHF. Hendo is a good mark and I believe he has potential to become a good strong player if he gets the right tutors...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:13 am 
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Here's one out of left-field......


How bout we play a forward at full forward and actually leave him there........like, the whole game????

Not pushing up the ground, not throwing him down back, but actually like.....AT full forward???????


Nah, that'd be stupid! :donk:

Sorry........ Carry on.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:18 am 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Here's one out of left-field......


How bout we play a forward at full forward and actually leave him there........like, the whole game????

Not pushing up the ground, not throwing him down back, but actually like.....AT full forward???????



What is this tomfoolery you speak of? :grin:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:45 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Here's one out of left-field......


How bout we play a forward at full forward and actually leave him there........like, the whole game????

Not pushing up the ground, not throwing him down back, but actually like.....AT full forward???????


Nah, that'd be stupid! :donk:

Sorry........ Carry on.


That fwd being Carlos with the 3 amigo's circling?
As Kouta said on SEN...give Carlos simple instructions to bash,crash,create a contest.
I would also play Gibbs in the middle(apparently he kicked bags in the SANFL as a mid in senior teams!).
Play 1AW as a mongrel fwd flanker. His disposal may not be such an issue.
Leave Waite at CHB. He's not smart enough to play fwd.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:57 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
Here's one out of left-field......


How bout we play a forward at full forward and actually leave him there........like, the whole game????

Not pushing up the ground, not throwing him down back, but actually like.....AT full forward???????


Nah, that'd be stupid! :donk:

Sorry........ Carry on.


Full forward....??
Are you sure you don't mean Partially full forward?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:42 am 
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kkk wrote:
Sorry, it's you and this post that bring disgrace to the Carlton Football Club.

Any man who battles manfully through a couple of serious shoulder injuries and a knee reconstruction to run out 99 times in the the navy blue deserves our admiration and thanks not the tripe you have posted.



Any other club would have thanked him for his services a long time ago, it's unfortunate for him not for the club. You're talking like his a 199 game player? You speak of his battles through injury like he's not been the only one? Please find me a current player in the one of the teams in the top4 which has been on their clubs list for 8yrs battling injurys then come out and helped them resurrect their performances? All I can see on the 4 lists in the following.

Collingwood.
Josh Fraser, I can understand their patience as he was a No.1 draft pick. But he's obviously not in their best 22 after investing so much in him and putting up with his hampering injurys. Sad for him but his times running out, if not has run out!

Geelong.
Anyone on their list who's been at the club for more than 4 years is in the starting 22.

StKilda.
Raphael Clark. Invested in this hack for so long, what has he done? keeps getting injured. Big wraps on him, unfortunately just doesn't cut it!

Doggies.
Tim Callan. Who's that you're thinking? Exactly, another long invested unlucky one who just can't make it.


Not one of those 4 teams has relied on injury prone players to be successful. Ok so maybe he's not a disgrace to the CFC I chose the wrong words it's our recruitment who are the disgrace for investing so long in a pick 72. he's busted his ass, good luck to him, but enough is enough!

In order to be successful in anything you do, as a club or an individual, you need to make hard choices which at the time may seem harsh.

Weak decisions are being made from above, only that sought of impression gets filtered down to young players! THESE ARE YOUNG MEN DON'T FORGET, NO LIFE EXPERIENCE WITH DEALING WITH THE HARSH REALITYS LIFE THROWS AT YOU!
Look how long it took to get rid of Fev?
Think of your first ever job, if you walked in and saw someone clowning around or constantly failing to achieve their KPI but were always given a chance over and over again by management, what would the expectation levels you'd set for yourself be? Indeed your answer at the time would be reflected on the way you saw that certain individual being treated. But if you walked into the job seeing everyone busting their ass to achieve their KPI and made to suffer consequences if they didn't, then your IMMEDIATE attitude would be "shit, i gotta knuckle down and give this my best, these guys don't tolerate shit!"

My point is, as a club, allowing players on your list to see guys like Brad Fisher hang around for so long and still have a chance to make the senior side then make 0 impression on the field will create a bad image for the younger players.

Many have come and gone like him, that's football! I don't know why after so many years of rebuilding YOU are happy to see old stock given another go and made a 100 game player when there's a bunch young guys waiting to be given an opportunity who can perform equal if not better then him?

You must be forgetting that he's 26 years old?

Anyway, I'm sorry but if you're thinking that Brad Fisher is suddenly going to burst onto the scene and create havoc for oppositions and be a dominant finals player then it's weak minded give-ups like you who make this football club look pathetic and soft!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:20 am 
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but how is he a disgrace?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:20 am 
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Anyway, I'm sorry but if you're thinking that Brad Fisher is suddenly going to burst onto the scene and create havoc for oppositions and be a dominant finals player then it's weak minded give-ups like you who make this football club look pathetic and soft!


So you claim Brad Fisher is a disgrace and kkk is a "weak minded give up" for taking you to task for it?
I know Fish has lots of limitations and he will be fortunate to survive on our list past this year I fail to see how he is responsible for that. At all times he does everything possible to prepare himself to be the best player he can be. His preparation is meticulous and every time hes taken the field for Carlton FC, he's given his best.
That's why he is absolutely respected by the players.

So you can retract your pathetic comments and try to direct your bile toward kkk but there's 3 people involved in your post. kkk, Brad Fisher and yourself and as far as I'm concerned, only 2 have come out of it with any credibility or class.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:31 am 
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You must be forgetting that he's 26 years old?


:lol: :lol: :lol: You say it like 26 is old! Probably just a reflection of your age...or your IQ.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:18 pm 
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Not too sure that a personnel change of that sort will make a difference, given the performance we have displayed in the past five weeks.

We seem to be very flat, and it may be a combination of confidence and the toll of playing a hard negating football style.

It wasn't that long ago that we were amungst the top teams for hard ball gets, inside 50's and possessions.

We just need to get back on the bike and start peddleing very hard. Maybe Ratts needs to put in place plans to combat these shortfalls. It is no coincidence that the saints are struggling this year after a very strong 2009. Their game relys on a similar zone style, which is very vulnerable when all involved are not quite up to the physical pressures required. (we are a younger list)

I am not defending the poor performances, but it is hard to see one player change can make up a 40 + point difference.

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