With all the talk on this board and other Carlton forum boards about sacking Ratten and cleaning out the assistant coaches I have come to wonder a few things.

Who would you get as head coach of Carlton? What senior coaches are coming out of contract or are not coaching that would fit us? What highly qualified assistant coaches are there at other clubs?

What about our assistants? What retired/retiring players should we be trying to get?

I think when we got Ratts we ticked a lot of boxes. Premiership player, Onfield leader, tough player, good player, best and fairest winner and from a successful club and played during a successful era.

I think where we really went wrong was with our assistants. Lappin, Bradley and Teague are all exCarlton players. Montgomery, Riley, Harvey, Harris, and Capuano don't all tick a great deal of boxes either.
We lack diversity in our assistant coaching panel. Too many exCarlton players, Ratts should be the only one. Also there are too many players from clubs who didn't have a great era and win premierships and never got to see what it takes so to speak.
The role of assistant coaches is to bring different things to the table, to have the ability to see things others don't, to specialise in all areas of the game. We need to source assistants from as many differnet clubs as possible who have had success. We also need a good player who has played the game as a key position player in a coaching role. Some one who thinks like a tall who might have ideas to help develop our talls and open the forward line up and structure it better. We need people who can bring a new attitude, game plan, structure and disciplines to Carlton. A new way of doing things.


These are a few options for 2011 that I have come up with. What's your wish list?

Senior Coach candidates:

Brett Ratten - might get going, might not be him, might be the players not being able to follow his instruction or just not having a go, who knows.

Peter Dean - Not getting away from the exCarlton players but was a good successful player who has been around other clubs (Bushrangers/Western Bulldogs IIRC) for a while and coached well, could be worth a shot.

Mick Malthouse - Premiership coach and has proven he can get 100% out of his players by taking average Collingwood lists far into finals and has won WCE to premierships. Isn't he coming out of contract?

Nigel Lappin - Assistant coach of Geelong and dule premiership player for the Lions and a very good player himself.

Chris Scott - Dule Brisbane premiership player and assistant coach at Fremantle.

Forward Coach Options:

Matthew Lloyd - All time great forward who was a tough and talented KPP. With all the ExEssendon players of his era doing well in coaching roles at the moment he could be well worth a shot. He's a great fit for our club with all our young talls around.

Warren Treadrea - All Time great CHF and premiership player for Port Adelaide. Also a good fit for Carlton perhaps.

Alastair Lynch - Dule premiership defender for Brisbane. Also has expierence as a defender.

Scott Lucas - Essendon* premiership CHF. Fairly smart player.

Backline Coach Options:

Tom Harley - Dule Geelong premiership captain and dule premiership player. Expierence as a tall defender.

Leo Barry - Sydney Premiership full back.

SOS - Legendary dule Carlton defenderand full back of the century who has been at St Kilda for a number of years and have the best rated defence in the AFL. If Ratts goes he'd be perfect as assistant coach. Expierence as a tall forward.

Glenn Archer - Might work out well. Might command respect as a coach as he did on the field.

Midfield Coach Options:

Brett Kirk - Sydney premiership centerman known for his tough approach to the game.

Josh Carr - not the most glorified player but a premiership centerman for Port Adelaide who also played at Fremantle.

Tyson Edwards - Premiership player for Adelaide and star of the game.

Skills Coach:

Stewart Dew - Very Skillful and tough player who played in premierships with Hawthorn and Port Adelaide.


Have I missed any one?

Simon Goodwin just put his name out there saying he wants to be a senior coach and will take an assistant job pretty much anywhere.

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It is time to get some assistant coaches who have had lots of experience at successful clubs. Whether or not we change coach, the lack of coaches who know what it takes to be successful is glaring. It is not just about systems and gameplans, it is also about leadership.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I don't really get this whole thread.

You wanna pick a coach on a footy forum with a whole bunch of very poorly informed ppl on the subject (no disrespect to any1)

Why make a list of candidates you have never spoken with or have any knowledge re their coaching capacity at all ?

Whats the point on speculating about ppls skill sets when you are completely in the dark.

Some guys you propose you would have had no exposure to, and others u may have seen only in the media.

Stick to fighting crime in undies and a cape Batman.

by that criteria GROTH
the forum may as well be deleted into the ether now.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I always thought dule was spelt dual.
Anyway carry on.

One man: Leigh Matthews

I wanted Simon Lloyd as an assistant / development coach and I've said as much on this site a number of times. Simon is an astute judge of talent and character. He captained Ratts, Kouta, Sexton, Ange in the Carlton Under-19's during the late 80's. He worked under Mick Malthouse for four years as Collingwood's sports psychologist and high-performance manager. This year he began work as Fremantle assistant coach and player development manager.

I'd like Nigel Lappin as a midfield coach. He communicates very well to a young group and the coaching caper seems to come very naturally to him. A huge part of Lappin's skill is he uses his voice properly, he keeps his messages very, very simple, and believes in the gameplan from his senior coach (Mark Thompson).

As a skills/assistant/offensive coach, I would like Michael Broadbridge. He joined the West Coast Eagles as assistant/skills coach in 2007. Formerly the Western Australian state U18s coach, Michael also spent time as assistant coach with Collingwood from 2000-2004 and with Fremantle from 2005-2007.

Michael has a knack of fast-tracking the development of young players and that's exactly what we need right now.

Leave Matty Capuano in there as tall timber coach. He's doing some great work with all the talls - they all like him and trust him. I think if we're serious about the development of Jacobs and Casboult, then for continuity sake we leave him in the role - he's doing a great job and I've been very impressed.

I think the jury is still out on Stephen Silvagni. I'd be very surprised if he ever has a coaching role at Carlton.

Brett Ratten spent a lot of time as a player under David Parkin. Parkin always had a mature list to work with, so the message being delivered could be brutally honest without sensitive footballers getting their noses out of joint. He gave ownership of the match-ups in the backline and midfield to the players - and why wouldn't you when you had Williams, Bradley, Ratten, Silvagni, Sexton, Christou and Rice marshaling that area. Unfortunately, those mature football brains aren't at Rattens disposal and his message - based on the Parkin philosophy of delivery, might very well be getting lost in translation.

Jason Heatley for a forwards coach I think. He's still in good nick having coached Wantirna South for a few years, and sometimes even captain coach. He has a great ability to lead into space and his kicking style is just perfect. He would be a great addition to our coaching staff. Commands respect, too.

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Do you mean under the current regime, or ever?

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Oh not in short-term for sure. There'd have to be one or two people leave Carlton before SOS went back. He was pretty hurt about things that were written about him back in the dark days and also the fact that when he left the Carlton board in '03 and told the club he wanted to be an assistant coach, they were very adamant that there was no role for him at the place when in actual fact, there probably was.

Then after he left and had nothing to do with Carlton he told Channel 10 he wouldn't call Carlton games which a few people thought was a bit silly...then Kernahan launched Elliot's book which didn't have very nice things to say about SOS and seeing as Sticks and JE still have a good friendship...both of those men would have to make way completely for SOS to return in any working capacity.

Sounds like high school doesn't it?

Have to look at Brenton Sanderson

Along with half a dozen other clubs. But he was Port's development coach in 2006 so he knows a lot about the list, the place and the people. He's also a South Australian boy and I expect him to get the Port job. He could of course leave footy and become a commercial pilot as he has his licence. From what I've been told - has it all...in spades. Exactly the type of coach players would want to play for, with a tactical mind as well.

I would definitely be in this guys ear but not as senior coach, as Director of coaching.
I think he could assist our coaches more this way.
I'm happy with Ratts for now and have faith in him.

Hack I'm impressed with your reply.


Regards Cazzesman

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I have no idea about his coaching ability (he was an assistant at nthe Tiges when they were sh1t, not a great reference) but he does call a spade a spade, David King as an assistant and wouldn't mind Simon Goodwin as an assistant also.

A couple of robust personalities who don't mind getting their hands dirty. Goodwins years under Craig will at least provide an insight into professional preparation, not something Lappin or Monty were known for.

Top job, I won't be bagging Ratts anymore. He's obviously doing what he thinks is right, and I have no doubt the guy probably sleeps 10 hours a week due to worry.

I'd say that with Carltons performance combined with his marriage woes, he's a big candidate for depression. By the look of him I don't think I'm far off.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

and with Matthews as a figure head or mentor you'd probably get the best assistants in the comp lining up to come in under him.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

SOS = KB?

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Ok let's see here...

Peter Dean - No. I seem to recall him spending more time as a VFL coach and an AFL runner than anything else.

Mick Malthouse - Not available for some time.

Matthew Lloyd - His brothers have proven to be doing decent jobs at Freo, one as a development coach. That means nothing however, but I would like to think he is learning from them and obviously understands how to play out of the square and as a lead target better than anyone in our squad/football department, so at the very least there's an opportunity there if he's willing to come in part-time.

Warren Treadrea - Hard worker in terms of his lead-up ability who got the most out of himself in that respect, but rarely in other areas of his game.

Alastair Lynch - No. Very much out of touch with modern football, and is a moderately successful player agent at present.

Scott Lucas - Don't believe him to be a smart player at all. Very gifted and one-sided key position player who rarely played to his potential. Couldn't think of a worse starting point for a coach.

Tom Harley - Would be in the ear of the AIS/GWS and wherever else he's done time at in his post-career to see what the go is with him. The exact opposite of Lucas and the kind of individual that would have relied upon intellect and hard-work to maintain his standing in the AFL. Went through ups and downs as a player and would bring great insight if his communication skills and self-awareness are as up to scratch as they seem to be.

Leo Barry - Of a similar mould to Harley given he was undersized for his position, and played in a system that worked better than a metronome at every level of the football department. Question is again whether he paid attention to what was happening around him enough to provide some insight.

Glenn Archer - No. I don't think there will be many champion Kanga players making the transition successfully either. Less of a drop kick than the others about at the moment, however.

Brett Kirk - Really not sold on him as a person, but shows himself to be a very clever player and suspect he has worked hand in hand with Roos for sometime. Another of the Sydney system worth talking to.

Josh Carr - Probably not. Has rarely gotten the best out of himself since his first stint at Port.

Tyson Edwards - Unsure on Edwards, as I've rarely heard much comment from him but I question how much of the off-field tactical work the players do under Neil Craig, and resultantly, how much he can impart.

Stewart Dew - No. Lazy, lived off his left foot and is another poor example of a player.

Simon Goodwin - Unsure on his personal habits given his previous gambling problems. Smart player in his time but that doesn't count for as much as what people might think.

Leigh Matthews - No. Doesn't have the passion any more and was a little behind the times as it was.

Michael Broadbridge - Not too familiar with the guy, but his body of work speaks for itself Doc: none of the teams he has coached had/have decent skills or forward structures. All seem to have excelled further in his absence, and I don't see a correlation with his work and the arrival of younger players on the scene.

David King - No. Class A moron and another shining example along with Shannon Grant & Wayne Carey as to why you don't want former 90s stars of the Kangas in your football department.

EDIT: Finished off the Archer comment.

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Doesn't leave many Jimmae. The Matty lloyd one is interesting. We'd need to get him quickly before he gets drafted into the new coaching team post Knights.

I really hate the guy as a player, but he is a very competative animal, a champ of the game (as much as we hate to admit it)and his Brothers have shown a great aptitude for coaching and administration.

You could do worse.

Plus he hates Carlton, but he hates Knights more.
On balance - Skinny Lappin or Matty Lloyd. Not a tough decision.

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I hope Essendon* folds.