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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:26 pm 
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you did pick up the sarcasm in my post I hope Rexy?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:43 pm 
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you did pick up the sarcasm in my post I hope Rexy?


yeah just saying carrotts was a bit :donk: in that situation with Yarran

I think he's a lot like Houla in that he really polarises views amongst us.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:03 pm 
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Just saw Simmo saying the players are taking the blame....I'm not sure where that leaves us.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:07 pm 
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Even bloody Michael Voss is saying he wants to drop nearly half his side after the Lions dismal effort on the weekend. Granted they were shitter than us but still, why can't Ratts come out and tell the boys that they're gonna have to pull their bloody fingers out if they want to stay in the side instead of this wishy washy crap he comes out with.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:10 pm 
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Warby wrote:
Just saw Simmo saying the players are taking the blame....I'm not sure where that leaves us.
The supporters?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:05 pm 
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Even bloody Michael Voss is saying he wants to drop nearly half his side after the Lions dismal effort on the weekend. Granted they were shitter than us but still, why can't Ratts come out and tell the boys that they're gonna have to pull their bloody fingers out if they want to stay in the side instead of this wishy washy crap he comes out with.

Ever thought that the message he sends to the players may be different to the message he uses to placate the fans?

I find it quite strange that people expect coaches/players to be honest with the media, and fans.

With the way the hyperbolic media operates, why would you even give them a sniff at something they can create a controversy out of?

Honesty? Not on your life from CEOs (not just footy ones), politicians, sportspeople, etc. It's all about the spin, and controling the message you send out.

I for one point the finger fair, and square at the media; who would rather sell advertising than present any semblance of a fair, and balanced article.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:36 pm 
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Paul Roos said it was the best weeks sleep he ever had in the lead up to Sunday's game against Carlton.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:14 pm 
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Agro jr wrote:
Paul Roos said it was the best weeks sleep he ever had in the lead up to Sunday's game against Carlton.

Proves my point.

A complete lie; but it sound good to the media, and fans.

You're telling me that he's never, ever had a better weeks sleep?

Not even in the off season?

Not even when he was a child with no cares in the world?

I don't believe him at all, and I question the smarts of anyone who does.

But hey if people wish to be wilfully naive, and believe everything the hear/read in the media there's not much that can be about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:26 pm 
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Lurker Blue wrote:
Agro jr wrote:
Paul Roos said it was the best weeks sleep he ever had in the lead up to Sunday's game against Carlton.

Proves my point.

A complete lie; but it sound good to the media, and fans.

You're telling me that he's never, ever had a better weeks sleep?

Not even in the off season?

Not even when he was a child with no cares in the world?

I don't believe him at all, and I question the smarts of anyone who does.

But hey if people wish to be wilfully naive, and believe everything the hear/read in the media there's not much that can be about it.



If you believe my "quote" then I think I will have to question your "smarts". :razz:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:41 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:04 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
get rid of the hacks wrote:
Lol have you just noticed :grin: :grin:

But ppl are calling for Davies to be given a game next week.....we used our 2nd ND pick on him.....ppl at Carlton say he has good penetration with his kicking....coz they are too scared to talk about his accuracy.

Don't believe any stories that there weren't better kicks still up for grabs in the draft.

But when you are briefed to draft "toughnuts" you pass on a player with silky footskills like Roberton for a physically mature Davies.

One is already contributing at senior level while we still trying to teach our guy how to hit a target.

Unfortunately the brief to the recruitment seems to change markedly each year, and unfortunately good footskills doesn't seem to be a constant requirement to get drafted.

The recruiters need to work to 3-5 year plan, not a "this is what we want this year" from the footy dept.


Great post! :clap:

We are very reactive... after last year's GF the MC decided we needed more physical types like Rooke, Mclean etc as if putting your body and having silky skills are mutually exclusive! (Rooke can actually kick) :hitcomputer:

I was keen on Roberton primarily because of his skills and where he would be drafted. He put his body on the line every time it was required against the Demons tonite!! In fact, his skills on his non preferred are better than half of our list on their preferred!!

BTW Fyfe is pretty hard at it and skilful at the same time... pretty impressive considering he's a stick! :hitcomputer:

Both of you are doing a good job of kicking players before they've even debuted and settled into senior football.

See the rhetoric posted about Yarran last year.

Or Kennedy when he was at Carlton.

We want skills, but you also want toughness as well. :screwy:

Trade Gibbs for a hardnut and then trade Davies for a skilled player. :roll:

Lucas has been better than Fyfe, but pinged two hamstrings.

Where's the love for Hughes? :thumbsup: :screwy:


Obviously comprehension is not a strong point Kouta! :grin:

Show me one post where I have bagged Kennedy, Yarran, Gibbs or Lucas!

I'm not even having a crack at Davies... by all reports he is a ripping kid and I hope he does well. He has a terrific work ethic; two years ago he was told his kicking needed to improve and he worked incredibly hard and he is a much better kick now! But he's kicking is never likely to be better than average!

The point I was trying to make is a player can have good skills, be hard at it and tough all at the same time!!!

I love Lucas... he is selfless, brave, skilful, talented and tough (unlike most of his teammates)! Imagine that, talented, tough and skilful all at the same time! Very much like Fyfe, you don't need to be physically developed to be hard at it ( Roberton etc).... don't need to compare Lucas and Fyfe we could have had both.
Compare Fyfe (at a 1/4 of the cost) and Brock! :hitcomputer:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:13 pm 
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The past month has been terrible. Hate to say it but it brings me memories of the Pagan era
I have witnessed:
-a total breakdown in player confidence in each other and one’s own capability. All I see is a group of individuals running around. They might as well have not worn a similar coloured jumper.

- Regularly second to the ball. We are getting smashed in the clearances despite what the stats indicate. Our opponnets get clear possession whilst our centre clearances are rushed and never to advantage

-playing risk averse football playing the lowest percentage play. We never go through the middle these days. Very little attempt to break the lines, run through the corridor, switch play over.

-a very soft and overrated midfield. No inside mid bar Judd. Not one big modied mid. Not sure what Grigg was doing in the middle.

- Poor list management. Structural flaw with an abundance of ruck and a shortage of big bodied clearance specialists and key forwards.

- Ineffective tackling – cannot stop opponents in our tackling from disposing of the ball whilst getting tackled

- definitely the worst disposal by foot in the comp. Walker, Armfield, Joseph, Carrots, Jamieson Grigg amongst others. The disease has spread to our quality players. Never seen so many kicking errors from Judd Gibbs and Murphy.

- Worst link play in the comp. From the kick ins we go short and wide without fail. After that no options are presented along the flank forcing us to kick to a contest sometimes outnumbered.There were plenty of occasions where we could have gone through the corridor short or long but such is our lack of confidence in contested play we instead played the percentages and not the best options.

- a static forward line that does not know where and when to lead

We are in a crisis of enormous proportions believe it or not. Each team goes through a slump.This is more of a depression than a recession. It dates back to the Collingwood game with the exception of one good quarter against the lions and Demons.

To blame individuals or match day strategy is oversimplistic and intellectually dishonest. What has happened for the team to lose faith in each other? They are now playing for themselves to protect themselves from being dropped and are not prepared to take risks.

Dropping 6 players and replacing them with 6 others will exacerbate this crisis in confidence. The team are on the nose of supporters and unfortunately this will do more damage than good. Finger pointing individual players helps us let of steam but does nothing constructive.

The question is how we rebuild their confidence to wins us enough games to make the finals.

Supporters need to remind themselves that no player deliberately sets out to play a bad game. They are hurting just as much if not more than us. Just like us they have no answers for such a drop in form from a team that beat Geelong and St Kilda not too long ago. We have three choices as supporters. We can go AWOL, we can play the blame game or we can continue to support them at games and hopefully help them regain their confidence.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:44 pm 
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Take note of Luke Darcy's comments...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:17 am 
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Walls once again proves what a moron he is, and even with the team he knows best he lacks insight and knowledge.

Carrazzo, Scotland and Betts B graders

Waite and Bower C graders. :donk:


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:49 am 
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Conundrum wrote:
The past month has been terrible. Hate to say it but it brings me memories of the Pagan era
I have witnessed:
-a total breakdown in player confidence in each other and one’s own capability. All I see is a group of individuals running around. They might as well have not worn a similar coloured jumper.

- Regularly second to the ball. We are getting smashed in the clearances despite what the stats indicate. Our opponnets get clear possession whilst our centre clearances are rushed and never to advantage

-playing risk averse football playing the lowest percentage play. We never go through the middle these days. Very little attempt to break the lines, run through the corridor, switch play over.

-a very soft and overrated midfield. No inside mid bar Judd. Not one big modied mid. Not sure what Grigg was doing in the middle.

- Poor list management. Structural flaw with an abundance of ruck and a shortage of big bodied clearance specialists and key forwards.

- Ineffective tackling – cannot stop opponents in our tackling from disposing of the ball whilst getting tackled

- definitely the worst disposal by foot in the comp. Walker, Armfield, Joseph, Carrots, Jamieson Grigg amongst others. The disease has spread to our quality players. Never seen so many kicking errors from Judd Gibbs and Murphy.

- Worst link play in the comp. From the kick ins we go short and wide without fail. After that no options are presented along the flank forcing us to kick to a contest sometimes outnumbered.There were plenty of occasions where we could have gone through the corridor short or long but such is our lack of confidence in contested play we instead played the percentages and not the best options.

- a static forward line that does not know where and when to lead

We are in a crisis of enormous proportions believe it or not. Each team goes through a slump.This is more of a depression than a recession. It dates back to the Collingwood game with the exception of one good quarter against the lions and Demons.

To blame individuals or match day strategy is oversimplistic and intellectually dishonest. What has happened for the team to lose faith in each other? They are now playing for themselves to protect themselves from being dropped and are not prepared to take risks.

Dropping 6 players and replacing them with 6 others will exacerbate this crisis in confidence. The team are on the nose of supporters and unfortunately this will do more damage than good. Finger pointing individual players helps us let of steam but does nothing constructive.

The question is how we rebuild their confidence to wins us enough games to make the finals.

Supporters need to remind themselves that no player deliberately sets out to play a bad game. They are hurting just as much if not more than us. Just like us they have no answers for such a drop in form from a team that beat Geelong and St Kilda not too long ago. We have three choices as supporters. We can go AWOL, we can play the blame game or we can continue to support them at games and hopefully help them regain their confidence.

Conundrum


Great post.

I guess the 'hard work' mantra is the only one we have left if we don't drop players or mix it up a bit. Don't knbow if that's right though.
Players are not putting their head over the ball or their body on the line. This (imo) implies the players do not play for the jumper.

Take Jamison for instance; he's in the leadership group.
Is it beneficial to keep playing him whilst he's in his current form slump or does it just spread complacency across ebery line like a cancer an better off sending him to the Ants to get himself together?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:57 am 
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thanks for the clip camelboy

Walls did say he based his marks on Sunday's performance and based on Sunday's performance I probably wouldn't have a few of those as high as b graders! :donk:

I'm not so concerned with winning enough game to make the finals. What I'm more interested in is getting the players back to playing with confidence and intensity, but how do you fix that? You can't just make them run some extra laps or do some extra drills.


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When you can't get a kick, you can still tackle and tackle and tackle like a crazy man.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 3:59 pm 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:
Walls once again proves what a moron he is, and even with the team he knows best he lacks insight and knowledge.

Carrazzo, Scotland and Betts B graders

Waite and Bower C graders. :donk:


Walls....who brilliantly coached us to a Premiership in '87; lacks insight and knowledge and is a moron?......... :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:32 pm 
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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
When you can't get a kick, you can still tackle and tackle and tackle like a crazy man.

Application - and the kicks will come


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Warby wrote:
get rid of the hacks wrote:
Walls once again proves what a moron he is, and even with the team he knows best he lacks insight and knowledge.

Carrazzo, Scotland and Betts B graders

Waite and Bower C graders. :donk:


Walls....who brilliantly coached us to a Premiership in '87; lacks insight and knowledge and is a moron?......... :lol:


23 years ago.

Football has changed quite a bit since then.

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