We chose to put a young team on the park. Melbourne have a young list too, but even they could manage a more experienced team to go to Perth.

When you have a top 4, top 6 and then top 8 spot at stake, you don't put inexperienced players up against a strong bodied side that relishes playing on a ground like ES.

We quite possibly just threw away a finals birth - so now we have to start thinking about who will coach going forward.

Don't worry about who we're going to trade - at this rate they'll be lining up to get out.

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He's a coach who didn't earn the position he currently holds. He didn't beat out anyone as part of a selection process, he wasn't stacked up against another applicant. He didn't have to win the job.

That's why his attitude is as it is. There's almost a sense of entitlement to go along with his current denial.

He might have been the right man for the job as a stop gap whilst we matured, but he is a couple weeks away from chairing a serious regression. Well, that's if he hasn't already. Which is also a distinct possibility.

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"In fairness it did seem in the early days of the draft teams would just pick a name totally at random out of a hat. I'm pretty sure we picked James Cook at #2 one year. The mediocre forward, not the explorer" - Me, 12/9/2011

Carlton 2012: Lets remind them why they once feared the Dark.

if people cant see that simply on the back of some of his comments in the presser yesterday that this guy is simply not the right man for the job then I must need my head checked!
some of the deflecting and sorry excuses he is making for the performances and the form and effort we are showing the last 6 or so weeks shows that he is delusional and has his head in the sand

quotes like we are ahead of where journalists had us is simply idiotic. Who cares what a pack of under-researched, incompetent bunch of retards think of where we should finish?!!? What are our aims and goals? Are we looking at trying to extract the best out of our club and list? We were 7 and 4, what were our goals at that stage? Oh shit we are tracking ahead of where flower like Sheahan and Robbo think we should be so lets back-off and start playing insipid football.

It is unforgivable and infuriating!!!

He is 3 years into his tenure and we still play without clear system, we have young players treading water and showing no improvement. And unfortunately he is another example of a club still living in the 70's with its business acumen and corporate diligence. An appointment made from an era of helping your mate instead of best practice.

The coach and administrators have a lot to answer for because at this rate another 5-6 years will go to waste where the best we will achieve is mid-table rabble

I am devastated by what I have seen from this team the last few weeks. Gezman, I echo your sentiments

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C'mon Blueboys!

Excuse me - but the club shortlisted, interviewed and heard presentations from Guy McKenna, Chris Bond and Brett Ratten.

The problem may have lied in the selection committee (Sticks, Gleeson, Swann)...and the fact that in selecting Ratts meant an influx of cash from Fraser Brown.

However it doesn't get away from the fact that what you've stated is just plain wrong.

Everyone in football knew he had the gig. There was no doubt whatsoever that Brett Ratten would coach us in 2008 and beyond at the conclusion of, probably, round 20 of the 2007 season.

The others were no chance to get the gig. I thought, if memory serves, we were holding out for Voss, who declined, so we just gave the job to Ratten.

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"In fairness it did seem in the early days of the draft teams would just pick a name totally at random out of a hat. I'm pretty sure we picked James Cook at #2 one year. The mediocre forward, not the explorer" - Me, 12/9/2011

Carlton 2012: Lets remind them why they once feared the Dark.

The others interviewed...but you're right in saying Ratten was second choice. He was - to a more untried Voss. Greg Swann was also second choice to Brian Cook and Justin Cordy was second choice to Dave Misson. In actual fact, Richard Pratt didn't get his 'best available' or 'best'...but while we're in this thread don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Sorry ... I don't buy it ... we just don't have enough talented players ... if you think we do ... your dreamin. We are a bottom eight team ... and it will take another 3 years if we can can fluke some good draft picks.

When the players make fundamental mistakes over and over again ... skill errors, DECISION MAKING errors ... its not the fault of the coach (although I do believe there is room for improvement ... particularly with the forward coach).

So sit back ... take a deep breath ... have a glass of scotch and prepare yourself for 2014.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

BlueRob, the list isn't great but there is more to it then just needing more picks. There is a serious lack of proper player development at our club.
Holy sh!t, even a mature age rugby convert has developed quicker than some of our talls

Either we finally decide to wake up and enter the new millennium in terms of our approach to club management and best business practice or we continue our slow decay turning into a mediocre club with faint dreams of when we were once great

This includes all football and not-football appointments

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C'mon Blueboys!

If we don't have enough talent now with Judd, 3 x pick#1, 1 x pick#2, a pick 6 and pick 9 and multiple first round picks between 10 and 20, then there is something seriously wrong with either recruiting, or development.

We have the talent alright - we just don't have the right football structure. We don't have a smart coach who finds new initiatives for developing the players. They look like they don't know what they are doing. There's no systems at all apart from holding the ball aloft just before gifting the opposition another goal.

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Our list is just ok. To me a no1 pick is close to a guarantee that you will get a 200 game player. Not necessarily the best player. So using 3 no1's as a reason we should be good doesn't wash with me.

If you compare our list to say Hawthorns you see a big difference in quality and they are sitting 6th.

It works, doesn't it?

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STURDYISM!!

You're judging their list based on them winning games of footy. When they win they look good - Last year they looked crap. If we were winning, we'd look great too.

We should be winning because we have had access to the best talent in the country for multiple years. It would be hard to argue that we haven't had the chance to recruit top talent?

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Not yet, wait until next week.

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What a strange season we are having. Brisbane start well then lose 10 from 11, Adelaide lose their first 7 or 8 and are now on the tip end of the 8, Hawthorn lose 6 straight at the start, turned their season around on the back of a 3pt win against Richmond and are now one of the flag favourites, Essendon* can't win a game to save themselves after wins against tops sides earlier on, and we can't get out of our own way after being 7-4 and now totally devoid of any confidence. The way it's going we'll beat some sh1t side by a point then go on a big winning strreak. To go further Port starting 5-1, then losing 10 straight, Sydney got off to a flyer, then fell in a hole and lost 4-5 straight, now firing up again. Richmond didn't look like winning a game then win 5 in quick fashion. Seems it's that type of season. So many streaks of wins and losses.

Looking above there's alot of coaches that should've been sacked this year...lol!

I agree we have had good picks in the last 6 drafts.

We've gone from zip to 10 wins to 13 wins to 7-4 by round 11. We're having our first big bad patch since he took over, the same patch Rocket Eade had at the end of 2007 and Bomber Thompson during 2006 and even David Parking during 1998 where we were 1-9 then in the GF the next year. It happens. Sides lose form and have shocking patches. It's about working out what is happening, why we are so devoid of confidence and struggling etc.., not looking for scapegoats for the sake of venting. Goes no-where.

If someone had said to me at the end of round 6 that by round 16 Port, the Lions and the Bummers would be spoon contenders, the Hawks would be looking like a flag winning side, Adelaide would be a finals chance and Richmond would have won 4 out of their last 5 I would have laughed in their face.

You know how stupid you'll look if this is just a bad slump and we come good.

Always good to read what you've got to say, Jim. Perspective.

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