Well at the risk of sounding supportive we outscored them 7.7 to 6.5 so I guess factually he has a point.

Doesn't explain the woeful first 60 minutes when the game was done and dusted but what he has said is 100% accurate.

Regards Cazzesman

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Well at the risk of sounding supportive we outscored them 7.7 to 6.5 so I guess factually he has a point.

Doesn't explain the woeful first 60 minutes when the game was done and dusted but what he has said is 100% accurate.
Regards Cazzesman[/quote]

Exactly.

There's a fine line between trying to put a positive spin on things and having NFI. I view Ratts comments as very much clutching at straws.

You could almost accept his comments if it was a one off performance. We all know that is not the case and we have serious issues.

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We are on our way back...

Good to see Ratts and the M.C. on Hammer's bandwagon

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There are coaches out there that bleed even when they win the game but lose a quarter. We appear to be happy if it's the other way round.

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Well at the risk of sounding supportive we outscored them 7.7 to 6.5 so I guess factually he has a point.

Doesn't explain the woeful first 60 minutes when the game was done and dusted but what he has said is 100% accurate.

Regards Cazzesman[/quote]

I disagree, he isnt being factual, he is being weak!!. He should be saying that after the first half we put up some resistance or we tried abit harder, but to say we 'won the battle' is just weak!

We were well out of the contest after the first 10 min and never looked like posting a winning score, Ratts is just covering up the brutal reality that we butchered the ball, didnt work hard enough, played dumb footy and played like a bunch of soft cocks for much of the game, including the 2nd half.

That fact the swans didnt go on and beat us by 100 points is probably an indictment on them rather than our own endeavours, we were piss poor as a team effort, save a few moments of individual skill and courage.

Thats what ratts should be saying!!

How come Ratts seems to be the only one under the microscope at the club at the minute.

What about the performances of Kernahan, Swann, Icke and Hughes. Anybody remember how far back we actually started when Ratten took over ? Next time the team runs out have a look at how many players aged 28 - 32 are the type that are "revered" by their team mates. How many mature men do we have on our list.

Anyone out their prepared to defend how we have assembled a list of players with so poor disposal skills.

We have given away the farm in the last four years on getting ruckmen and got beaten in the ruck today by a 34 gamer.

Do people still want to defend the strategy of giving up pick 11 for a Brock McLean ? Brock may still turn out to be a good player for us but not at the expense of the opportunity to obtain another young player given the situation with draft concessions to GC 17 and GWS coming up. In 5 years time we may have gloated how we got the pick 11 and also 12.

I am not saying Ratten doesn't have his flaws. He coaches at his best when the team gets off to a good start. He seems to be only able to coach to victory when the game is on his terms.

Very simple to lay the blame on one person.

If you had read carefully most people are saying there needs to be major overhaul, not just the senior coach, but of course the simple version is ratts is doing a very poor job at getting the best out of the team that takes the field over the last 2 months.

He is doing a very poor job at teaching his players. We still struggle to move the ball with any fluidity under pressure and his player positioning is poor. He has a limited understanding of the tools at his disposal because he very rarely makes a game changing move. It is predictable what he will do and we've seen ample evidence of the same mistakes being made.

Let me ask you what do you think of Matthew knights' coaching ability? Should ratts not equally be under as much, if not more scrutiny (given I think our list is a fair but better than theirs) than Matthew knights?

fascinating to watch how things ae unfolding.

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Dont tell me.......you saw this coming!!!

Please......your a fraud Blueman, plain and simple!!!!!!

I dont mind your hypothesizing, its fun, just dont call it something its not!!!

This is just embarrassing. How would Mick MAlthouse or Ross Lyon react to that performance on top of 6 weeks of similar performances? Malthouse would have been at his glowering best and reacted as he did when Swan had about 40 possies and he barely conceded he'd been okay, Ross Lyon would have taken no solace from staying with them in the second half to record a 40 point loss. He would have said it was unacceptable and done something about it.

Ratts is a nice guy but seems way out of his depth, he lacks authority, his 'support team' are mates or woefully inexperienced or both. It is his job to get the players to perform to the best of their ability consistently. If he is doing that then we have a serious talent deficiency and won't be challenging anytime soon.

I have quoted this elsewhere but it seems even more relevant after todays debacle, it is Lloyd quoting Harvey.


I'd give the stats man a week off and let Ratten just watch the game and make his judgements. You can see what is happening without having someone shove numbers down your throat. Do you need the figures to know you are tackling well or badly. Be interesting to see where Ratts would be without endless stats and KPIs.

Still I guess we can be grateful that the idiot committee were unable to convince Voss to take the job and that Knights ended up at the Bombers.

Despite all the talk of a new dawn we still seem like an old fashioned creaky machine, dependent on the Pratts goodwill, with Kerna's relishing his 'temporary' role as pres and unwilling to relinquish it, and still a key man in appointing the wrong choices and then sacking them before the contract is up.

I feel sorry for Ratts, but what other club would have given the job to a guy with one year's experience as an assistant at AFL level, and whose most recent experience was coaching a suburban second division team. Would a CV like that get you anywhere near a senior coaching job if you weren't a former team mate of the Pres?

Think you're jumping the gun there.

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yeah you would know. believe it or not, i don't care. But Murph was instructed to play more of an outside role and the move was orchestrated by Diesel.

and don't forget how Mr Murphy voiced his concern that his precious son was copping to much physical pressure in his early days.

and then there is his mate Bryce who's always been told how he is the best at everything. Who's never had to win his own ball cause its always been 'get it to gibbsy'. Since he's been at the club i can not ever recall him coming of the ground absolutely spent sucking in the big ones, actually i've never seen him work up a sweat or even a scratch. Scathing as it may sound but FFS put your bloody body on the line and stop chasing cheap kicks - someone should put together a tape of how Joel Selwood goes about it and send it to Gibbsy.

well he has no emotional ties with the club!

yes and this is where Ratts has lost me, I am tired of him pointing at numbers to say "Hey guys don't worry it's not so bad!"
I don't give a stuff if we outscored them in the second half if we didn't outscore them in the first half as well! Sure it's an improvement on last week but jeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Whilst we all think Ratten should be on his way out, you can forget about it. The club just agreed to exercise the optional 3rd year on his contract, so he isn't going anywhere..... not while his ole mate, the interim president is at the helm. I can't help but think that there are deep deep problems at this club, and it starts at the very top.

Ratten is so far out of his depth it's not funny. He coaches like a man who spent 1 year as an assistant at an AFL club and 1 year coaching a outer eastern suburban side.

The players may like Ratts, but they sure as hell don't believe in him, or trust in him. They can't or we wouldn't be continually served up these gutless performances.

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Never thought I'd do this but:

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Ratts is talking in riddles; I don't understand how you can still be in a game in the second half when it is done and dusted by half time!

I'd trade one of the 'fab four' (HA fab four) in Gibbs to the crows for Dangerfield in a heart beat.

I didn't even finish reading your whole post, and for that I apologise, I do in part agree with what you say but i felt compelled to respond.

Ratts has to take SOME responsibility for our appaling game plan and Matty Lappin (who was my fav player) is clearly not up to it as a forward coach.

it looks shit on telly but, as you see guys with space streaming forward (for the opposition), but it really rang home how hopless we are with our forward structures when I got to see the north and freo games live, christ who are we supose to kick the ball too?

maybe its the players falling back into the safe mode of kick it to fev, but he aint there (and dont worry I was happy when we traded the fev) or maybe it was that we had such a decent full forward that was hiding the fact that we are an average team without him? I don't know but we have the most in-effective forward structure i've ever seen and if ratts or lappin is the scapegoat then so be it.

I'm sick of blind faith, i'm @#$%&! sick of paitence and excuses.

I'm a glass half full - optimist and my psyche and moral is broken.

The Carlton Football Club is a representation of who I am as a person.

A person with pride, hope, belief and self respect. My club no longer falls in line with my beliefs and way of life.

They give me no hope, pride or inspiration.

I am ashamed to be a Carlton suppoter. I can't look people in the eye anymore incase they bring up "my club".

I feel crushed.

hey blueman, it seems things are unfolding differently to what you were saying at the start of the year. We started ok and peaked against the saints, where you were thinking the saints would be a smashing. This game was also supposed to be the turnaround, which it was , but in a negative way, we have gone backwards instead of forwards. Your timeline seems correct, but in reverse ??

Thoughts???

ALSO, the new young coach , how about Sanderson ??

I love blueman, keeps me thinking ,