STOP DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE ! (sakc ratten MKII)

chyna · **Joined:** Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:31 pm **Posts:** 280

Effes wrote:

Matthews and Roos have already been sounded out but told Carlton they aren't interested.

Typical of the old Carlton though to just think throwing some cash around will solve all of our problems.

Gee Effes... you're not allowed make comments like that apparently.. because you come off as being disingenuous.

chyna · **Joined:** Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:31 pm **Posts:** 280

isdonis.george wrote:

Ratts needs to coach like he played.

With more conviction.

No More I s'pose, Probably and maybe in every second sentence.

Anyone out there a teacher? Imagine you stand in front of a class and say "I s'pose, Probably, maybe "

Imagoine Gillard or Abbott say to you "I s'pose, Probably, maybe"

Ouch!

This is another of my big bug-bears about Ratten's playing ability.
He was fantastic..yes. And was great in and under most of the time.

However... and this will get me hounded out a lot...
His skill level was less than spot on. Being an in and under player in his hey-day, getting the meant getting it out and throwing it on the boot any-old how. I think this is one of the problems with our current skill level. It just is Not Up To Scratch. (NUTS - a bit like Nick Riewoldt really).

And anyone with any nouse of a footballing brain or even a research brain can go back and look at Rattens performances in BIG games. He went missing more often than not.

http://www.stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/season_idx.html
Check out that site for some stats and see what you think.

What annoys me most at the moment is this insistence in playing a loose man in defence and allowing our opposition to do the same.
Over the past 5 weeks we have been lamentable in bringing the ball forward and then kicking it straight to this bloke who just waltzes out and uses the overlap of an excess player to attack...much of the time through the middle. Fair dinkum, it is inspid.

Noticeably, today, when Ratten decided NOT to allow this to happen in the third term we managed to put on some attacking pressure inside 50, we managed to kick a few goals. We were still lamentable but at least there were not extra opposition blokes playing with themselves in our 50.

missnaut · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:05 pm

Bookie wrote:

we are going backwards so fast when we play people can hear satanic lyrics.

This post is the highlight of my day.

I heard about the comment from Tim Gossage. Is he an Eagles fan by any chance? They are still bitter about losing Judd.

CK95 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:01 pm

Gossage is a Saints fan.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:05 pm

CK95 wrote:

Gossage is a Saints fan.

Yep.

Only have ourselves to blame so have to cop this speculation when we play so poorly.

Imagine if Ess weren't in their predicament. We'd be getting absolutely poleaxed and deservedly so.

I'd be very disappointed if their wasn't drastic action (at least internally) very soon.

Captain Fantastic · **Joined:** Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:36 pm **Posts:** 3

They're not going to sack Ratten. We're technically in the race for the finals, and they're not going to sack the coach while a final 8 position is still a possibility.

blue4 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm **Posts:** 976

mathematically we are a chance to make top four - fundamentaly 10-13 is more likely.

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

blue4 wrote:

mathematically we are a chance

Can Pythagoras take an overhead mark?

verbs · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:44 pm

I solemnly do promise to stop defending the indefensible, tomorrow, or shortly thereafter.

blue4 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm **Posts:** 976

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

blue4 wrote:

mathematically we are a chance

Can Pythagoras take an overhead mark?

Only if we can get Socrates kicking it to him.

We have no chance making the finals this year!

Mrs Caz · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:46 pm

But if it is indefensible, then you can't defend it....ergo, if people are defending it, it must be defensible.

The sole emoticon · **Joined:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:19 pm **Posts:** 200

verbs wrote:

I solemnly do promise to stop defending the indefensible, tomorrow, or shortly thereafter.

MPH78 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:52 pm

Let's not kid ourselves and still talk about finals. We are so far off atm it's not funny.

Why can't we sack a coach even though we are still in 'contention' for the finals? As as been mentioned on this site, we are going backwards at an alarming rate. This needs to be addressed now.

What happens if we scrape into 8th and get smashed in the Elim final? That's ok and we just go on our merry way?

Obviously none of us are privy to the inner sanctum of the club however on the evidence before us, there is no doubt there are serious failings all over the place. Wheher that be Ratts or elsewhere. For the good of the club, this has to be dealt with immediately.

club29 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 7:58 pm

chyna wrote:

isdonis.george wrote:

Ratts needs to coach like he played.

With more conviction.

No More I s'pose, Probably and maybe in every second sentence.

Anyone out there a teacher? Imagine you stand in front of a class and say "I s'pose, Probably, maybe "

Imagoine Gillard or Abbott say to you "I s'pose, Probably, maybe"

Ouch!

This is another of my big bug-bears about Ratten's playing ability.
He was fantastic..yes. And was great in and under most of the time.

However... and this will get me hounded out a lot...
His skill level was less than spot on. Being an in and under player in his hey-day, getting the meant getting it out and throwing it on the boot any-old how. I think this is one of the problems with our current skill level. It just is Not Up To Scratch. (NUTS - a bit like Nick Riewoldt really).

And anyone with any nouse of a footballing brain or even a research brain can go back and look at Rattens performances in BIG games. He went missing more often than not.

http://www.stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/season_idx.html
Check out that site for some stats and see what you think.

What annoys me most at the moment is this insistence in playing a loose man in defence and allowing our opposition to do the same.
Over the past 5 weeks we have been lamentable in bringing the ball forward and then kicking it straight to this bloke who just waltzes out and uses the overlap of an excess player to attack...much of the time through the middle. Fair dinkum, it is inspid.

Noticeably, today, when Ratten decided NOT to allow this to happen in the third term we managed to put on some attacking pressure inside 50, we managed to kick a few goals. We were still lamentable but at least there were not extra opposition blokes playing with themselves in our 50.

Ratts had fantastic skills. Even at training on saturday morning his and bradleys skills stood out above the listed players.
Went missing in big games?? His stats look pretty good to me.

Virgin Blue · **Joined:** Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:32 pm **Posts:** 3021

To come out and be transparent with supporters.

I believe you are on TV tmrw night?

Ditch the vague, generic answers you so expertly spew out everytime you are on TV.

Instead, explain why we are struggling right now, and make reference to the failed fwdline structure that has plagued this club for weeks.

Why did Setanta fail to have any impact as a fwd for weeks?

Why did you play Robbo at FF today?

Why did you play Betts up the ground last week and he had 6 touches for the game?

Why do our mids time after time move fwd of centre and look up and freak out bec there is no fwdline to kick to?

If you can explain these failures, maybe just maybe the fans will be sympathetic and realise coaching AFL is no easy caper. OR, maybe you have run out of ideas and your ideas from the outset were poor?

Who knows, but I think either way you should give the fans and members some REAL answers/excuses. Dodging questions with vague responses that don't get to the crux of the situation will not suffice

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

No point sacking the coach and rushing into another coach right now...we ned a full footy dept review and do things properly.
Coach, Assistants and recruiting dept needs looking at as well as the list and they need to justify their positions.....too easy just to blame Ratten, or single out Riley, Hughes etc...they need to be reviewed as a group because there are multiple problems IMHO.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

Rhys26 wrote:

Dr.SHERRIN wrote:

Outback Blue wrote:

A workmate who is a mad carlton supporter was going on about Damien Hardwick. At the end of last season when Hardwick threw his hat in the ring to coach Richmond, my fellow workmate was going off his nuts about him and that Carlton should ditch Ratten right there and then and GET Harwick.

At the time I told him he had rocks in his head, but now,,,,,, I dont know,,,,,,,,, gotta wonder what if !!!!!!!!

Hardwick is a short lived love story. You'll see.

not so sure about that

Hardwick has got his basket case side to win four consecutive games in his first season. Ratten will never achieve this feat in his AFL coaching career.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

kingkerna wrote:

Dr.SHERRIN wrote:

aido wrote:

See that exact response is exactly whats wrong with this bloody club!!!! anyone who didn't play for Carlton is a spud

Don't go and put words into my mouth you little lying flower. All I said was the Hardwicks' time in the sun is shortlived. As soon as there is expectation - that list, and his coaching methodology will suffer.

well said, passion can only take you so far

Right now, we don't even have passion.....and don't get started on that other thing we don't have, coaching methodology.

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:15 pm

Don't hold your breath...

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

Quote:

"From half way, we won the battle. Still, we had to work extremely hard to score our goals and they scored soft goals but I thought from half time we were right in the game."

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18030

Mrs Caz wrote:

But if it is indefensible, then you can't defend it....ergo, if people are defending it, it must be defensible.

Stop calling me Ergo.....

STOP DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE ! (sakc ratten MKII)

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