Murphy is not hard enough to be the leagues number one
Gibbs doesn't run hard enough
Kruezer won't do it as a ruckman (not big enough) He could be a top forward

Agreed

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I'd say you have issues. You always seem to have a crack at the posters. From reading your posts I don't think you really understand the game. I think I'll make a point of avoiding replying to any post's from you from now on.

LMAO yet it was you who instigated this conversation by having a crack at me......go figure.

As for not understanding the game, I take it as a compliment from someone who clearly speaks rubbish and hopes for the best.

And you didn't respond to my response, if you are going to quote things don't leave out my answer and try to give the impression that my response was "you have issues". That's misrepresentation and quoting out of context which last time I checked is against forum rules. But leave it to you to stoop that low.

You like to debate issues but your attempts are feeble and when you end the debate with "I'm not talking to you any more" it robs you of what little credibility you had in the first place. Next!

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Hird had stints in the midfield but he wasn't a midfielder nor did he have the tank to be one.

As for not having speed but being the best, maybe so ten or twelve years ago but certainly not so now. We all can acknowledge how much the game has changed (sped up to be exact). Players that would have been superstars ten years ago are no longer that because of their footspeed or lack thereof. IMO.

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Interesting thoughts All.

Am I too harsh i n expecting that one of these guys should be indomitable?

I would hope that one of these guys, if not all, would go on to to be of the ilk of player that takes the comp by storm. At this stage I think only Murphy has played a game where he himself carved a team up.

Gibbs has class, but has not taken a game apart (those 45 disposals against West Coast included alot of chips), and Kreuz has class but again has not dominated a game in the way of a G. Ablett Jnr, Judd, Hodges, Riewoldt or Kouta.

Once Gibbs gets more time in the middle for longer periods he will explode onto the scene and surprise many...

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Lenny Hayes, Jimmy Bartel, Joel Selwood ....... none are fast, all of them are midfielders.
They would have been superstars 10 years ago and are superstars now.

All three have stalled IMHO and still have away to go to make it to elite level......all three show flashes but lack consistency, they also need to start winning us games and take some responsibilty from Judd.
Kade Simpson while less talented has the right attitude and excels when the chips are down..like to see out No 1 draft picks do similar.

Kruezer has the ability to be the No 1 player in the comp, has size, skills and agility.....Gibbs I equate more with Nathan Buckley...talented but less of an impact player like Voss, Hird or Kouta.

Murphy is/will be similar to Brent Harvey IMO......not the best player in the comp but one of the best when he can be consistent like Harvey has been over the journey.

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I'm taking Yarran as my man. Has all the attributes to be better than anyone. If he approaches it the right way and listens to the right people then he's got it all in front of him.

In this kind of situation there are two sorts of people, one who expects to be great and one that wants to be great. Those that want it chip away at every flaw in their game turning them into strengths while those that expect it rely too heavily on their strengths, which could still make them great but not as good as they can be.

An obvious example is Richmond, they've had some talented players over the years but they didn't have the right minds to carry them through, internally and externally. So what you hope for is that the players and coaches are working on the foundation and not thinking about the ceiling.

Hayes and Selwood are quicker than Gibbs and they're quicker hand to foot as well. Bartel has had less impact as each year goes on and I certainly don't see him as a superstar. Nonetheless, none of them have been or will be the best player in the comp and that's what I'm saying about Gibbs. If you go back and check I did say that Gibbs is just about elite now as we speak if played in the right position.

Anyway, I think I've had my say in this thread so I'm now going to opt out.

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Twinkle toes ... MURPHY!

You are a hard man to please Hellas.

But Woof, I did say that Gibbsy is elite, I just feel he has certain limitations that will hold him back from being the best in the comp. I am more than happy with his selection at #1 and would have him in my fav 3 players at the club. The guy is all class.

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That is almost certainly incorrect. I also doubt whether Goddard is quicker than Gibbs.