CSC certainly has a wider range of posters contributing to the forum IMO.

In regards to google ads I don't think too many would be clicking on them would they? That's just a thought, figures may prove me wrong. I certainly have never clicked on one.

If it's $30 a month you need I'm willing to contribute $5 a month no problem. I'll even pay it (6 months worth) up front. No issues there.

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Sadly true a schoolyard "fight" thread in general gets more hits than say a well considered thread on tactics etc. You can almost see cyber dribble drooling onto desks as eyes glaze over Venting is very much the lifeblood of any football forum.

Not sure about the over moderating bit. I have been involved in some pretty nasty threads where no-one seems to have faced consequences. Others where they have, perhaps consistency has been a problem. Perhaps some who were able to get away with things before became peeved, because they have been pulled up more...who knows? The political stuff especially at times was nasty and possibly could even have had legal consequences. I don't think the mods had any choice, but to shut some of it down IMO.



Personally I would prefer a bit more debate, although you do have to be careful sometimes as some posters do get cut over funny things and its tougher on a forum to clarify points than if you are face to face with someone. At times though I don't think some threads could be described as debate. It pretty much involved the same arguments being used time... after time... after time. Even jokes were being repeated. Unrelated threads were being dragged in. Pitchforks, burning brands, abused effigies...crazy stuff

At least you show your face (cyber) Keogh others have taken their bat and ball and gone home.

I think we would all contribute as this site is quite frankly where we get most info from. The club certainly does not tell us much.

I agree with everyone, it is hard to post as someone who does not agree generally has a go at you.

We need to realise that everyone is different and have the same love - Carlton.

Over the last year especially everyone has gotten bitter and all self riteous and they are right and everyone else is wrong.

I read this site every second, but dont post much as people have attacked me personally for my opinions and dont feel comfortable posting much.

Site should be positive now, so lets get it there again.

There has been a huge spike in revenue (thank you) and thus far have earned $173 for the month.

Don't go crazy as we'll probably have to justify what's going on.

We'll introduce graphics soon. That should increase our funds further.

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So who's right? Were the 'experts' suppressing genuinely intelligent people looking to engage their initially raw philosophies, or is everyone else an idiot. Hmmm. People cry about not getting the benefit of the doubt from the mods, when that's all they got for a long time. The tables turned and they degenerated into little more than children.

Stick with another sandpit if you can't deal with simple concepts like patience and empathy of your fellow Carlton supporters. I would imagine going from reading nothing but CFC & Herald Sun articles to having intelligent discussion on Carlton would reveal a whole underbelly of the club that most people wouldn't even consider. Yet new posters get absolutely shat on (and I have occasionally been a perpetrator myself) for not having somehow instantaneously acquiring this insight.

Even later on, posters are seemingly expected to have canvassed right back through the history of TC, CSC & TBV, and have thoroughly searched for past opinions of posters and topics, because we wouldn't want them to repeat themselves ad nauseam, would we...

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I am now much more informed about a number of things that before I must admit didn't interest me, although I'm not sure that that is a good thing, I really do have an urge to buy a silcon wrist band

I think a possibility is that during the poor years a sort of survival instinct set in for many Blue fans to help deal with how disappointing the club has been. For some it was to be critical as there was a great deal to criticise, for others it was to be overly postive and to try and see any glimmer of hope. I think some have failed to adjust. Despite changed circumstances some just can't let go of being critical and just can't see the good anymore. Conversely those who were looking for any glimmer of hope before, now when things are genuinely looking up just can't see anything negative. I think many sit somewhere in between.

Unfortunately when the negatives and positives are drawn together you get a great deal of polarisation that has drawn many into the arguments who were probably really of the third group before and a great deal of hardening of views has gone on. For a long period certain issues have dominated discussion led by strong personalities on both sides. With the team doing well and a number of predictions not as yet coming true, one side seems to have withdrawn for the most part. That has left a bit of a vacuum.

You have not only lost the input of some of the negative posters, but also some of those rebutting their views are posting much less. Hopefully as a fanbase we can readjust to doing better as a club.
You will never get rid of negative views and nor should you, but perhaps we can get better at being more balanced without the polarisation.

Do you have any examples (via PM if need be, although I'm happy for public discussion).

The reason I ask is that over the last month or two I think things have been reasonably settled, and I would have thought our role as mods has been as low key as it has any point during the site's history.

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The number of posts being reported is certainly down from a few months ago.

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This site is fantastic. The reason for it getting quiet is because we are winning. If we lose a few games you watch this website explode. People love these forums to have a winge and just sook which is why Saintsational does very well. They are a bunch of losers who have no success to talk about so they cry in each others threads about life being unfair.

The moderators do a fantastic job. You may not agree with them but step back and be happy that they are keeping the site going and reducing conflict between posters.

People come and go.

If we have a crap finals experience then the sack Ratten threads will come back and repetitive discussion will start. If we do well in the finals then this website might be a ghost town as we don't have a top draft pick to look forward to.

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This post makes sense to me, and a lot of what Diamotism wrote is probably right too.
I don't feel qualified to comment much on this as I haven't been around long enough,and have only just discovered that there are ads here!
also...had to go looking for some of these other sites.
One of the great things about this site is the layout.
I think it is by far the best.
I like the general intelligence, insight and humour of the posters here too. Yes,that means you Tommi!
I have also realised that Dr.Sherrin definately would not have appreciated some of my finest work here....
threads like 'Which animal do the players resemble' etc. ah well.
Yes..it takes time to work out what Kpp and other stuff means...and it's great to learn about zones..and technical stuff you watched but couldn't articulate..
Othertimes it's good to just share your passion for the club with fellow blues supporters..and just anticipate the next game.
I'm happy to contribute if needed.
I personally like to see a variety of posters here..and do miss Synbad...(a bit) and Teen.....but also ,I noticed people like Mrs. Caz used to post a lot more.and that was good too.
ps.Thanks Nick for your kind comment.(made my day )

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Just noticed the new Ad. Just clicked it now that I know it all helps TC.

Totally agree. What happens is people then tend to get personal and a lot of very good posters switch off!

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I think TC and other Carlton forums are just not used to having nothing controversial to talk about. The early years were dominated by in fighting here with posters bagging the players and others bagging the coach. There has also been wars about the board, leaving optus oval, the merits of tanking, Pratt rescuing the club, Judd coming on board and a big Fev incident or two every year.

TC just needs to adapt and get used to having a successful side and a stable board.

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So what are you both suggesting exactly? All of these people had the respect of the majority of the board; some either couldn't cope with the negative - albeit in some cases quite vocal - minority, and others abused their 'power'.

Sometimes people need an attitude adjustment. I did; you did; Synbad does; AGRO does... the list of names go on. If people are worthy of their old level of respect (and many are IMO) it will all come quite easily to them.

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You aren't the only one who missed the ads bluegirl

You can't have your cake and eat it too. In other words, you can't be a part of what drives people from the site only to ruminate on how unfortunate it is that these people were hounded out. Conversely, I've had to toughen up but in doing so, in a small way I've taken up some of the mannerisms that I've despised in the past. This for instance. It's a mugs game in a lot of ways. Either you accept a thriving site with a lot of friction and controversy or you become elitist. The middle ground is as rare as hen's teeth. I've seen small sites in hard times first hand and it's not pretty.

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If we were 1-10 a lot of those who have been "hounded out" from the site would now be marching in going I told you so . Not that I am claiming to be blameless as I certainly have posts that in hindsight I wish I could take back. Being involved in many of those threads was certainly not conducive to civil discussion

I totally agree that some controversy and friction is inevitable as that is the nature of the internet and differing views are more interesting, but there is a point where the friction and controversy can become all consuming. It is civil war that kills many of these sites IMO, as posters are turned away by the constant fighting between various factions.

I believe the site was over-moderated.

I don't believe it is anymore.

Regarding consistency... look at society as a whole. It's incredibly hard to issue black and white consistency to citizens, or in our world forum members.

We have different police, different judges, different juries in society who can come to different conclusions when presented with seemingly similar cases.

Here, we have different moderators, whose interpretation of rules is and will always be shaded by their personalities and their style.

We have posters who are more adept at intelligent debate than others, and who are better are veiling their thoughts than others.

There are definitely inconsistencies, but what I think needs to be realised is that these are natural and not created. Having been a heavy poster, then a moderator, and now a far less frequent poster, I understand the frustration in a lack of complete consistency but I also understand why it's there.

It will always exist. You can change the moderators. You can change the posters. You can change the rules.

The combination of variables will always introduce different approaches to seemingly similar problem.

Historically there have been posts that imply Moderators do stuff on a whim, or without consultation. Can I say that nothing could be further from the truth. The amount of discussion and attempts and applying all rules consistently was the majority of moderator workload. I think more often than not the mods did, do, and will do a great job in translating something that is not clear cut into something that can be applied.

Why is the site more quiet?

I think because we're winning. The 'I Told you so' and 'I know better' factor in the land of internet-forum-ego is almighty.

And I still hate Talking Players.

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