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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:58 am 
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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

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The Blues escaped unscathed from last week's win over Melbourne, while Lachie Henderson, Brock McLean and Shaun Grigg were all outstanding in the VFL.

Ratten is also faced with a significant shortening of his injury list with Paul Bower, Chris Yarran, Kane Lucas and Dennis Armfield all cleared to play.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:36 am 
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the depth is great
in my opinion
the guys just coming off injury
lucas, yarran, army, bower should all play for the bullants for a week
and grigg, hendo and mclean shud slot back into the team
id replace hadley, ando, browne
waite can play around the ground and go up forward if we need him
hendo has kicked 4 (bullants) , 3 (carlton), then 8 (bullants) so he obviously getting confidence up
grigg played to well not to get a shot
id even like to see the hammer take jacobs spot
jacobs has been great but long term i think we need the hammer

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:51 am 
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The only words that need to come out of his mouth and Sticks mouth until the end of the season is; THEY ARE REQUIRED PLAYERS.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:53 am 
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grigg played to well not to get a shot


Unless he's signed with GC :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:56 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Juddment Day wrote:
grigg played to well not to get a shot


Unless he's signed with GC :wink:



?? is that a rumour ??
hadnt heard that

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:05 pm 
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Fisher and Grigg will be pressing for selection pretty soon as well


Can't see Fisher adapting to our new style of play.



Trust me If he hadn't got injured against the Swans he was going to be a big part of our new forward structure this year and if he shows any signs of returning to form he will be in



Let me guess...................for Setanta?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:33 pm 
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Fisher and Grigg will be pressing for selection pretty soon as well


Can't see Fisher adapting to our new style of play.



Trust me If he hadn't got injured against the Swans he was going to be a big part of our new forward structure this year and if he shows any signs of returning to form he will be in



Very interesting. In place of whom?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:46 pm 
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Juddment Day wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
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grigg played to well not to get a shot


Unless he's signed with GC :wink:



?? is that a rumour ??
hadnt heard that


:lol: I sense sarcasm?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:50 pm 
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I dont think they envisaged Walker playing accross half back and suspected Waite would be playing there more often than not and I dont think they ever had it in their plans to play Yarren Betts and Garlett in the same forward set up - Hendo was always going to be a week to week prospect - Setanta was an unknown quantity and no one would have had him kicking 24 goals at the half way mark-

Fisher lined up in the practice matches and the first hit out against the Swans as the lead up marking target - Injuries more than anything have forced some experimentation and most of it has been for the better- Walker off half back has been a huge plus


Besides people tend to forget in 2007 fisher kicked 39 goals from 19 games playing along side a bloke he demanded the ball be delivered to him - it was not a bad effort

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:03 pm 
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Besides people tend to forget in 2007 fisher kicked 39 goals from 19 games playing along side a bloke he demanded the ball be delivered to him - it was not a bad effort


Fisher is a very good mark.
What he needs to work on is his kicking and ability to put defensive pressure on when he does not have the ball. I remember him falling over a lot when trying to chase or tackle.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:20 pm 
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bluebo baggers wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
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Can't see Fisher adapting to our new style of play.



Trust me If he hadn't got injured against the Swans he was going to be a big part of our new forward structure this year and if he shows any signs of returning to form he will be in



Let me guess...................for Setanta?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:20 pm 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/plenty-of-blue-options/story-e6frf9jf-1225877232329

wow - way too many ins - not enough outs

struggling and all i could come up with was below

in: yarran, armfield, bower
out: anderson, browne, betts

I think they'll ease Bower & Lucas back in, maybe two weeks in the twos to get up to touch and test out their durability?

In: Yarran, Armfield
Out: Browne, Anderson

Hadley gets his last chance to show his wares before Brock has done his penance.

There's going to be about 5 unlucky blokes sitting out of the side in the coming weeks.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:35 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/plenty-of-blue-options/story-e6frf9jf-1225877232329

wow - way too many ins - not enough outs

struggling and all i could come up with was below

in: yarran, armfield, bower
out: anderson, browne, betts

I think they'll ease Bower & Lucas back in, maybe two weeks in the twos to get up to touch and test out their durability?

In: Yarran, Armfield
Out: Browne, Anderson

Hadley gets his last chance to show his wares before Brock has done his penance.

There's going to be about 5 unlucky blokes sitting out of the side in the coming weeks.


What if Hadley's form continues to be apprciated by the MC jimmae?

You seem to conveniently sweep Hadley under the mat, as if he's there to make Brock look good.
Hadley goes allright, you just keep refusing to accept that.
As I asked you previously, didn't you appreciate the role Hadley was playing before he broke his arm last year?

What's this penance business?
Tell it as it is as to why Brock is the 2's. If you don't know, don't make up stuff like that.
Hadley was selected ahead of Brock by the MC because he was considered to be playing better footy.
Does that sound too pheasible?
Both players are senior footballers. There aint no development role going on here.

I agree with changes though.

INS: Armfield Yarran OUTS: Browne Anderson

Betts is the one who needs to show something this week over 4 quarters imo. It's indoors and dry so no excuses.

If Fisher is given another shot this year, it will be purely to get him his 2 games to make 100 and get his name on the locker.
Admitedly, he was looking very good in the preseason, but I don't think his achilles heel (pace) has improved since that embarassing performance in the last round against the Hawks in 2008. He aint the future; give you the tip. :wink:

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Sydney Blue wrote:
I dont think they envisaged Walker playing accross half back and suspected Waite would be playing there more often than not and I dont think they ever had it in their plans to play Yarren Betts and Garlett in the same forward set up - Hendo was always going to be a week to week prospect - Setanta was an unknown quantity and no one would have had him kicking 24 goals at the half way mark-

Fisher lined up in the practice matches and the first hit out against the Swans as the lead up marking target - Injuries more than anything have forced some experimentation and most of it has been for the better- Walker off half back has been a huge plus


Besides people tend to forget in 2007 fisher kicked 39 goals from 19 games playing along side a bloke he demanded the ball be delivered to him - it was not a bad effort


The only role I could see Fisher playing for us now in up the ground a bit.. Lead up from half forward to the wings to provide a marking target coming out of the backline. I think he could be a good get-out-of-jail target.. utilise his strong hands when the run doesn't come. I think Waite has been providing this a bit lately.

It's going to be very tough for him to get back in.. He is pretty one dimensional. Not out of the question though

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What if Hadley's form continues to be apprciated by the MC jimmae?

Well good luck to him, but my opinion of his form is slightly behind Brock's form prior to his last injury.

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You seem to conveniently sweep Hadley under the mat, as if he's there to make Brock look good.
Hadley goes allright, you just keep refusing to accept that.
As I asked you previously, didn't you appreciate the role Hadley was playing before he broke his arm last year?

And as I previously said, I thought his role was good, but he is a shadow of that thus far. He also hasn't taken coaching advice on board.

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What's this penance business?
Tell it as it is as to why Brock is the 2's. If you don't know, don't make up stuff like that.
Hadley was selected ahead of Brock by the MC because he was considered to be playing better footy.
Does that sound too pheasible?
Both players are senior footballers. There aint no development role going on here.

I don't think Brock is under instruction to hold the ball up, much like T-Bird not being under instruction to sag off constantly and push wide with his ball use. They can be 33 and still not get it, that's why there are coaches.

You're also ignoring the idea that it does take people time to fit in to the way a side (or for a broader perspective: a work place) operates and get into the swing of things. For McLean, that's only going to happen out on the field in the senior team. So when he continually performs below par as he has, you take him back to the twos with some instructions, he hopefully performs, you send him back up to the seniors and you give him an opportunity to rectify.

We're seeing that with both players at present, although Brock's on his first chance and Hadley is a lot further down the line.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:55 pm 
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the smart play would be to trade one of our 3 ruckman (ie not kruezer) for a top 20 pick and then take a speccy ruck rookie pick as our 4th ruckman. Or take a mature age ruckman such as oren stephenson.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:58 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
the smart play would be to trade one of our 3 ruckman (ie not kruezer) for a top 20 pick and then take a speccy ruck rookie pick as our 4th ruckman. Or take a mature age ruckman such as oren stephenson.

Or elevate Levi!!!!

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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
the smart play would be to trade one of our 3 ruckman (ie not kruezer) for a top 20 pick and then take a speccy ruck rookie pick as our 4th ruckman. Or take a mature age ruckman such as oren stephenson.


I wouldn't mind betting that's the plan now that all 4 are up and running. :smile:


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I would like to see nothing less than a good old fashioned hiding of these upstarts. Yes, we beat them last year, but the shellackings they gave us in the years prior to that still require some kind of retribution. A 100 point win and AJ's shoulder to meet Boomer's face at speed preferably in the first 5 minutes of the match, would see my long weekend starting quite pleasantly.


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I would like to see nothing less than a good old fashioned hiding of these upstarts. Yes, we beat them last year, but the shellackings they gave us in the years prior to that still require some kind of retribution. A 100 point win and AJ's shoulder to meet Boomer's face at speed preferably in the first 5 minutes of the match, would see my long weekend starting quite pleasantly.

It will only be exact vengeance if Jacobs lopes around 40 m out near the end of the game and we pass it to him Harlem Globetrotters style, he slots the goal on the run, and we celebrate like we won a grand final.

@#$%&! Spider.

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