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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:22 pm 
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Thornton and Browne out for me, Waite and Houla in. Henderson must play as much as possible. Unfortunately Thornton has lost the capacity to play on any sort of opponent who presents a target for the opposition, and he gives us nothing on the rebound apart from backing slowly backwards, then chipping sideways. Henderson couldn’t do any worse that Thornton down back and can kick goals. Even at full strength, I think Hendo must play.

As with a few posters above, I reckon Anderson is just starting to feel that he can play at this level. If we can leave him in for a few more, or at least until a Bower or Armfield is back, then we might find ourselves with another player. At 188cms, he a good size to play on smalls and mid-size marking players.

I was happy enough with Browne’s game, but I couldn’t see anyone else to go.

The jurys still out on playing both Maclean and Hadley.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Ah, but at least they cut out the Dees theme song and played ours a couple of times!! :wink:

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our last game at PP.
can't get past that.(apologies if it was mentioned)
well..I can...actually...I like 'em now...and what with Jimmy S. and all...I can move on.
That's mainly cos i think we'll smash 'em. :smile:


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:36 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
I may be the only one here, but I hope Joey keeps his place. I still think stringing together 8-10 games will help him feel at home and do his confidence the world of good.

He's very good at filling space and getting in front of the big forwards to spoil, has plenty of courage, is versatile, a team player (saw him pick up Cox and Natanui when they went forward a number of times and covered until Jamison was able to switch) and I've been amazed at Bullant games at the amount of leadership and direction he provides. I even noticed him starting to direct teammates on Sunday.


Good post TBB.

I too would like to keep Joey in the 22. I feel he's really stepped up this year. He seems more composed.

Maybe we hold back Armfield's return for 8-10 weeks, or even Houla. Perhaps we can hold back Bower if Ando is taking on the tall timber?

It's a tough team to break into let alone hold a position. You can't get 28 into 22, nor 23 into 22. I know you know that.

I think our form against the Hawks was partly due to the huge injury list and we really did stretch our list to the depths of the 'developing'.Nevertheless, I still believe that with a fit list, players 22-28 are AFL ready, and Ando is one of them.

Pressure for spots....I love it....when we're winning.


Hold back Army for 8-10 weeks.....man what are you smoking! :screwy:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:31 pm 
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i think we lost to hawthorn because we were not switched on 100%.
if we are switched on 100% there are probably only 2-3 teams we cannot beat and even them we can beat if they're not at their best.

and there are only about 4-5 teams we can beat if we're not switched on 100%. melbourne is not one of them and we had better go in with the right approach.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:03 am 
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Thornton and Browne out for me, Waite and Houla in. Henderson must play as much as possible. Unfortunately Thornton has lost the capacity to play on any sort of opponent who presents a target for the opposition, and he gives us nothing on the rebound apart from backing slowly backwards, then chipping sideways. Henderson couldn’t do any worse that Thornton down back and can kick goals. Even at full strength, I think Hendo must play.

As with a few posters above, I reckon Anderson is just starting to feel that he can play at this level. If we can leave him in for a few more, or at least until a Bower or Armfield is back, then we might find ourselves with another player. At 188cms, he a good size to play on smalls and mid-size marking players.

I was happy enough with Browne’s game, but I couldn’t see anyone else to go.

The jurys still out on playing both Maclean and Hadley.


Judging how many posters are anti T-Bird at the moment on this site I wouldn't be surprised that Robert Walls is masquerading as a couple of TC posters.

BTW, when T-Bird kicks the ball side ways I believe it is actually called "switching the play" in the modern game.

Let's not forget how well he played last year. Keeping Josh Kennedy to 4 goals is not a bad effort. He's down on form at the moment but i think he's earned his stripes over the years with the jobs he's done for this club. I would always have him in my best 22.

I agree that Joey is starting to show some good signs. He reminds me of a young JR.....he just needs some confidence in his own ability.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:10 am 
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Sorry mate but not sure what you were watching.

You must been getting a beer when Thornton almost kicked on the full, missed passes and generally butchered and buggered up everything he went near. A good performance against Kennedy would have been playing in front and chopping off the space that he ran into.

Thornton has run his race at Carlton, tries hard but we need more now.

Anderson is a dud and will be dropped, simply can't pick up a man, win the ball and then cleanly dispose of it. Will be delisted as his contract expires.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:54 am 
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Sorry mate but not sure what you were watching.

You must been getting a beer when Thornton almost kicked on the full, missed passes and generally butchered and buggered up everything he went near. A good performance against Kennedy would have been playing in front and chopping off the space that he ran into.

Thornton has run his race at Carlton, tries hard but we need more now.

Anderson is a dud and will be dropped, simply can't pick up a man, win the ball and then cleanly dispose of it. Will be delisted as his contract expires.


Yeah l guess we don't have Fevola to complain about on TC and Rattens winning games, so l guess Thornton has to be the next target.

I really don't have an issue with Thornton. Might make a couple mistakes, but so do a lot of players in the team. JR nearly gives a goal away every game. Alot of times he will not go in hard or turn it over on the wing/middle of the ground and goal is resulted from that. But, because he turns it over 2-3 possessions before a goal is kicked. It doesn't stand out. Luckily opposition have kicked behinds the last couple times. I will admit, JR has improved a lot but still can be costly at times. But, if we going to be critical about disposal lets not just target one player.

Yes tBIrd switches the play and there is nothing wrong with that. All teams do that. He actually has a look at the best options up the ground, rather then just playing on and giving it to a team mate in trouble. Why kick it down the ground on the wing to a pack of 10 players, when you can switch it towards the middle of the ground and open up the corridor.

When Bower comes back, Jamo/Bower will take the number 1 and 2 defenders. Thornton will play 3rd tall and fill the space and take the contested mark like Tom Harley used to do for the Cats. Thornton did that a lot last year. He saved a lot of goals doing this last year.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:01 am 
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No one is necessarily anti-thornton. But he has been shocking this year, has not done a single impressive thing. The reason Russell is compared favorably to him is that while he might make a mistake he also sets up a few great plays each week, where as Thornton makes the mistakes whilst also not taking risks.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:17 am 
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Ahh but Juddy turns the ball over more than JR ever does. But that does not make Juddy a bad player, in fact I and many others would say he is a SUPERSTAR! Watch any, and I mean any old games from the nineties and you will find our past SUPERSTARS turned the ball over as much , if not more than JR ever has. Footballers are only human. ITS NOT HOW WE PLAY THE GAME BUT HOW WE LAY THE BLAME.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:43 am 
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Thornton is an ok player but we will be a better team with him out and Bower in. Thornton does not fit our gameplan. I think now even he knows that.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:15 pm 
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Re: Thronton, I think it's more about the fact that we have better player to fill the role than anything else.

IMO the best available CFC backline consists of Jamo, Bower & Walker as the 3 talls. Having guys like Waite, Setanta & Henderson in the forward line gives us plenty of options incase one of the backs gets beaten/injured during a game.

Thorntons primary use atm is as a backup until the other three get over their injury worries and Austin steps up and overtakes him as the backup defender (or better).


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:21 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
I may be the only one here, but I hope Joey keeps his place. I still think stringing together 8-10 games will help him feel at home and do his confidence the world of good.

He's very good at filling space and getting in front of the big forwards to spoil, has plenty of courage, is versatile, a team player (saw him pick up Cox and Natanui when they went forward a number of times and covered until Jamison was able to switch) and I've been amazed at Bullant games at the amount of leadership and direction he provides. I even noticed him starting to direct teammates on Sunday.


Good post TBB.

I too would like to keep Joey in the 22. I feel he's really stepped up this year. He seems more composed.

Maybe we hold back Armfield's return for 8-10 weeks, or even Houla. Perhaps we can hold back Bower if Ando is taking on the tall timber?

It's a tough team to break into let alone hold a position. You can't get 28 into 22, nor 23 into 22. I know you know that.

I think our form against the Hawks was partly due to the huge injury list and we really did stretch our list to the depths of the 'developing'.Nevertheless, I still believe that with a fit list, players 22-28 are AFL ready, and Ando is one of them.

Pressure for spots....I love it....when we're winning.


Hold back Army for 8-10 weeks.....man what are you smoking! :screwy:


Exactly Mark J. Well spotted. :thumbsup:
I'm being sarcastic.

The point is that we shouldn't hold back any of our best 22.
Imo, if form warrants a spot in the 22 ahead of another player then a spot in the 22 should be theres.
It's up to peripheral/ developing players to break into the team and seize the opportunity when it happens for them.

In case you haven't noticed, I have been a fan of Army's from the start and I still am.
I'm a huge fan. He's in my first 18 every week if fit.

I am glad to see many of his knockers are starting to realise he's not only fast but like anyone, given the opportunity to improve through hard training and good coaching, they will improve. He is a fantastic little player and he's not the one keeping Anderson out, but it could be the other way around if we hold back form players to allow the likes of Ando to develop in the seniors.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:28 pm 
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Can Eater wrote:
BTW, when T-Bird kicks the ball side ways I believe it is actually called "switching the play" in the modern game.


10 metres is not a switch of play.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:32 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Can Eater wrote:
BTW, when T-Bird kicks the ball side ways I believe it is actually called "switching the play" in the modern game.


10 metres is not a switch of play.


and last time I checked it isn't desirable to switch from inside the field of play to outside

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:04 pm 
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lawrence_angwin wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Can Eater wrote:
BTW, when T-Bird kicks the ball side ways I believe it is actually called "switching the play" in the modern game.


10 metres is not a switch of play.


and last time I checked it isn't desirable to switch from inside the field of play to outside


:lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:08 pm 
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was at the weagles game last sunday.

I can see both side to the T-bird argument, although the marks that JK took on him for his 4 goals, no defender would've stopped. The delivery to him was absolutely spot-on, lace out!
From what i can remember JK didnt take a single contested mark whilst on T-bird

Please correct me if im wrong

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 4:55 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
was at the weagles game last sunday.

I can see both side to the T-bird argument, although the marks that JK took on him for his 4 goals, no defender would've stopped. The delivery to him was absolutely spot-on, lace out!
From what i can remember JK didnt take a single contested mark whilst on T-bird

Please correct me if im wrong


Totally agree


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http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/newsar ... fault.aspx

Waite and Houlihan in, Henderson and McLean out.

Guess Brock doesn't have to worry about playing his old side...


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OUT: Henderson, Mclean
IN: Houlihan, Waite

OUT: Macdonald, Wonaeamirri, Warnock
IN: Bate, Trengove, Scully

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:08 pm 
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Wow, didn't see those outs coming. Not sure I agree with them either. Wonder if Brock will be playing VFL?


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