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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:44 am 
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:14 am 
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Please please please no Chris Johnson... he is meant to have good foot skills... but honestly all ive seen from him when he plays is clangers and weak attacks on the footy


You want to put JR in that sentence too. If JR had a footy brain and toughness, he would be a really handy player. He might get 20 odd possessions a game but l cringe everytime he gets the ball. Last week he nearly gave away a couple goals, but pies didn't convert.

Move Henderson to Backline. Let him learn how to play forward, by learning how the good forwards play. Then he can realise where to lead etc. At the moment he is always in the wrong place on the field, not in play.

Leave Waite in the Forwardline and we have two key forwards.

If Henderson has another quiet game, then reserves buddy, taking up space.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 10:29 am 
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If Johnson could improve in the next 18 months anywhere near as much as
JR has improved in the last 18 months I will be a very happy Carlton supported.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:10 am 
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If it is out of Johnson and Browne, I would go Johnson. I know many around here like Browne but from what I have seen, I don't think he can provide the impact that Johnson potentially could.

Johnson has played a handful of really good games for Carlton and a couple of shockers too but those good games puts Johnson just in front. I can't see either player as part of the future so play the guy in red hot form from the VFL because he will give us a better quality game.

Johnson has become that player who gets bagged no matter how good he plays (Houlihan springs to mind) and Browne is the guy who is praised and is labeled as a future star for no reason at all (Justin Davies). Weird how players get reputations so quickly, we all do it.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:15 am 
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If it is out of Johnson and Browne, I would go Johnson. I know many around here like Browne but from what I have seen, I don't think he can provide the impact that Johnson potentially could.

Johnson has played a handful of really good games for Carlton and a couple of shockers too but those good games puts Johnson just in front. I can't see either player as part of the future so play the guy in red hot form from the VFL because he will give us a better quality game.

Johnson has become that player who gets bagged no matter how good he plays (Houlihan springs to mind) and Browne is the guy who is praised and is labeled as a future star for no reason at all (Justin Davies). Weird how players get reputations so quickly, we all do it.


..Johnson doesn't handle pressure well at all.. ..never did at the Dee's. and hasn't shown he can here either.. ..i wouldn't want him playing a hard contested game..

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:43 am 
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Johnson has had a very good pre season and is definitely fitter than before and is playing his best football since being at the club.

The last few weeks he has played well for the Bullants as a wingman who has played a link up role and his kicking has been fairly good although I wouldn't say it was top shelf.

The only real issue I have is that he has been playing a very unaccountable type role out wide and I am not sure if that will better our side or not. Be very interesting to see if selected how he goes.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:54 am 
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BigKev wrote:
If Johnson could improve in the next 18 months anywhere near as much as
JR has improved in the last 18 months I will be a very happy Carlton supported.


Would not take much to improve to JR's level. Just a footy brain/toughness would do it.
All players these days can run, mark, handball and kick a ball. But its how you use it and how you read the game is what seperates you from the rest eg. Judd. Players are quick/athletic as him, but dont have the footy smarts.
I'm not knocking JR's skills, more so his footy smarts are lacking and toughness.

Johnson aint tough either, but atleast he can hit a target from the backline. He would of been brought in for his kicking out from the backline, as we struggled to get it over half back due to 50 million handballs in 5m radius


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:50 pm 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
BigKev wrote:
If Johnson could improve in the next 18 months anywhere near as much as
JR has improved in the last 18 months I will be a very happy Carlton supported.


Would not take much to improve to JR's level. Just a footy brain/toughness would do it.
All players these days can run, mark, handball and kick a ball. But its how you use it and how you read the game is what seperates you from the rest eg. Judd. Players are quick/athletic as him, but dont have the footy smarts.
I'm not knocking JR's skills, more so his footy smarts are lacking and toughness.

Johnson aint tough either, but atleast he can hit a target from the backline. He would of been brought in for his kicking out from the backline, as we struggled to get it over half back due to 50 million handballs in 5m radius


Did you see how JR hurt himself last week against the filth? No questioning his courage or toughness in that piece of play. My point is that I think it's important to keep re-evaluating players. I used to be horrified when JR had the ball - not so much now though. Keep watching him Goltz' - hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised as the year unfolds.

As for Johnson, he's my new JR of yesteryear. I'll be a bit nervy if he plays, but if the lad can get a
few breaks, gain some confidence then who knows how good he could be. (I'm not convinced, but presumably the MC have seen something they like).


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:14 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
ALBANIAN BLUE wrote:
I think Chris Johnson should be in the team.
His accurate kicking will be a big weapon against the flood that the saint are going to apply.
I have a good feeling about this game.
Go Blues


Johnson's accurate kicking was what brought him to Carlton apparently.

Once he puts on the navy blue his accurate kicking goes the way of Salman Rushdie's social life...



His kicking is elite, in training. Once he has opposition players in front of him, he kicks like me, except longer.

BTW this Salman Rushdie's ex-wife (post fatwa)

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Is that depressing?


Reminds me of that TV series Twin Peaks :sly:

Anyway, Henderson and McLean out, Waite and T-Bird in for me.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:20 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
Anyway, Henderson and McLean out, Waite and T-Bird in for me.



A tall and a small out and two talls in? Why?

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:35 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
Anyway, Henderson and McLean out, Waite and T-Bird in for me.



A tall and a small out and two talls in? Why?


Waite I don't classify as a tall so much due his mobility and athleticism. Sure we lose McLean's hardness around the contest and protection of Juddy, but Robbo isn't going to give us that so instead go with the X factor, play him off a wing and let the boy take the game on. I'd even give him a run on the ball at times.

T-Bird is the replacement for Henderson if he is dropped.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:51 pm 
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Rafalution wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Rafalution wrote:
Anyway, Henderson and McLean out, Waite and T-Bird in for me.



A tall and a small out and two talls in? Why?


Waite I don't classify as a tall so much due his mobility and athleticism. Sure we lose McLean's hardness around the contest and protection of Juddy, but Robbo isn't going to give us that so instead go with the X factor, play him off a wing and let the boy take the game on. I'd even give him a run on the ball at times.

T-Bird is the replacement for Henderson if he is dropped.



My issue is what is Thornton going to add to the side? We have Bower and Jamo as our key defenders. Most defences are going to more mobile running backlines. Jamo isnt really and attacking defender and does a job. Bower adds a bit more run.

Also, St Kilda really only have Kosi as a tall fwd. Bower is the perfect match up for him. Jamo can take anyone and then we have our runners. Most sides play one or two max and you simply cant play more than two key defenders.

I have watched Thornton closely at Bullants level and I am not sure what he has to add to our side especially in regards to improving our side.

I agree generally about Waite as a wingman but since he is coming back from a knee his agility is nowhere near where it was. His future probably is key position and given our line up it is up fwd. He and Setanta with the three brothers and Houlihan could cause havoc. Once again two mobile key targets which is also needed.

Football over the past twelve months with so many rotations is about speed as that is how you beat the zones. St Kilda are the best at setting up the defensive zone. IMO for us to beat it we need to be mobile and as with the sides we picked to play Geelong and Adelaide the more runners the better, especially since we are already missing Walker.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:02 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Also, St Kilda really only have Kosi as a tall fwd. Bower is the perfect match up for him. Jamo can take anyone and then we have our runners. Most sides play one or two max and you simply cant play more than two key defenders.


Kosi plays deep and on that basis Jamo is the man for that job. It is in our best interest to have Bower playing further up the ground.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:03 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

I have watched Thornton closely at Bullants level and I am not sure what he has to add to our side especially in regards to improving our side.



I totally agree - particularly given St Kilda's forward line will not contain too many talls and Thornton does not have the pace to go to a genuine small. I've always had some time for him and it's a bit rough that he's played 5-6 years in a battling team only to find himself on the outer as, finally, the club heads up the ladder. I think he's still an important member of the squad because if Jamo or Bower goes down we'll need him but he should definitely not be brought back into the team without due consideration to team balance. This week, he's not required.

In: Waite, Browne (very surprised no Robbo or Wiggo in the squad, prefer Browne to Johnson.)
Out: Hendo, McLean (inj)


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 4:12 pm 
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Waite is not a small, he may be an athletic tall but he is still a tall and so comes with the advantages and disadvantages of a tall.

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:13 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Waite is not a small, he may be an athletic tall but he is still a tall and so comes with the advantages and disadvantages of a tall.


Why become the pidgeon hole Santa Claus ?

Adam Goodes won a brownlow as a ruckman, then as a mid, can play tall yet his ground skills and running better than most smalls.

Very early in his career Waite smashed a seasoned Aker in the midfield before he ran out of gas.
I don't see him as having the disadvantes of most talls when playing a running role.
I would back him (when fully fit and confident) to be one of few players around that gives the advantages of being able to play tall and small with very minimal disadvantages ala Goodes.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:25 pm 
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Isn't that Tommi's chocolate spoon?

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That's what SHE said.........!


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it's my chocolate spoon.............i'll lick it is fast as i want..........!

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:12 pm 
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Guys can confirm that Browne is an emergency for Monday night. He came in at work today and told me he would be playing a half in the VFL. Seems like a great bloke. Don't know who is in and out. Asked him about Thornton and he said he was unsure if he was playing.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:31 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:

BTW this Salman Rushdie's ex-wife (post fatwa)

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Is that depressing?


He can't be that rich

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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 7:36 pm 
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Apparently Bower has done a groin again today at training???????????

Thornton & Waite definitely in if thats the case.....

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