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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 9:36 am 
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I only pray we don't do what the Dogs did and go back 100m and then via the Cape every time.

Did you want us to kick it to the 18 Saints jumpers permanently stationed in our forward 50? Our tactics kept St Kilda to 4 goals and had us two and a half goals in front in time-on of the last qtr - pretty effective tactics for 115 of 120 minutes. If you want to gift-wrap possession to the Saints, by all means blindly boot it into forward 50 and watch Fisher, Gilbert and Goddard combine for 40 marks between them.

I know what you are saying about the quick ball movement but the reality is that only on a couple of occasions a quarter will you get a quick enough and clean enough clearance to spot up a forward in any space against this mob. Otherwise you'll just have to be patient and move it laterally until an opening presents itself up forward.

Going to the sterile-dome on a Monday night to watch the latest installment of 'tackle-ball' would have to be one of the least enticing fixtures in the AFL calendar. Good luck to the hearty souls of TC that are brave enough to venture out to see the Blues this week - I hope your team rewards you for the sacrifice because it won't be a pleasurable spectacle to witness.


I can see what you are saying Sedat but don't assume because the Doggies couldn't do it, it can't be done. Not saying the Blues will, but there is no such thing as a perfect defence.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:26 am 
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I can see what you are saying Sedat but don't assume because the Doggies couldn't do it, it can't be done. Not saying the Blues will, but there is no such thing as a perfect defence.

Not assuming it at all - I actually think you guys are a big show because of the explosive clearance winning midfield talent you have at your disposal, and the workhorse ability of Kreuzer to neutralise the St Kilda ruck strength at the stoppages, thereby preventing the likes of Dal Santo and Montagna from breaking clear of the congestion. All I'm saying that it is not easy to break down a naturally defensive oriented and committed opposition who are fit enough and strong enough to maintain their structure for 120 minutes. Also think your smaller and more unpredictable forward line could be more difficult for St Kilda's zone defence to guard against - of course this is predicated on your midfield winning the clearance battle. Would not surprise me in the slightest (and it would please me no end) to see Carlton overcome St Kilda this week.

The Dogs have been criticised by a lot of the media hacks for being lured into some sort of evil St Kilda web, but does anyone in their right mind think that Ross Lyon was actually planning to be two-and-a-half goals behind in time-on in the last qtr? Idiots and cretins the lot of 'em. Denying them the ball and denying their rebounders the opportunity to actually rebound (and as ball users by foot Goddard, Gilbert and Fisher is an extremely potent trio) was pretty effective for a very large part of Friday night - but my God it was as dull as dishwater to watch. We weren't perfect by a long stretch - we did miss a few one-on-ones in our forward 50 where we should have pulled the trigger earlier.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 10:49 am 
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I'm praying Raph Clarke maintains his spot in that formidable back six.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:07 am 
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Eade's tactics were good and you were stiff.
As you say Fisher, Gilbert and co just zone off too well to just bomb it fwd.

Fwds must grab the few chances they get when they get first hands to it on a lead.

I would like to see Lucas presenting inside fwd 50 this week.
His speed, smarts,deceptice height, agility and sticky fingers might just get him a couple of marks and shots at goal.

Fwds are gonna need sticky fingers coz uncontested fwd 50 marking chances will be few and far between.
Then again we could just go out and smash 'em :roll:


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:09 am 
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I'm praying Raph Clarke maintains his spot in that formidable back sixteen.


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 11:33 am 
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get rid of the hacks wrote:

I would like to see Lucas presenting inside fwd 50 this week.
His speed, smarts,deceptice height, agility and sticky fingers might just get him a couple of marks and shots at goal.



Mmmmm...a good idea :thumbsup:

I think the Saints forwardline can be penetrated with plenty of movement from our forwards...providing lead after lead after lead.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 1:11 pm 
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Unleash Simon (the new Richard Dennis) White as a tall half forward flanker. Can mark, kick and apply defensive pressure in the fwd line. Mark my words, we will get 30 goals out of him before the end of the year.


Fair enough, but has White ever played as a permanent fwd? In WA? Juniors? Cazz, Gilly, BV and the likes may know.


Be interested to know .... that goal he kicked was unbelievably good if he meant it. He shaped the drop punt from left to right from the boundary. Has anyone seen him kicking for goal at training?

Like to see him have a few more opportunities, he's quick, strong bodied and skillful by foot ... if he can match his work rate, he might be offering more up there than Hendo at the moment.


Funny, saw him kicking in pre game drills and commented to my mate that "this guy can kick!". I also told him not to "count him out" when he was taking that shot. Felt very smug when it went through. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:34 pm 
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Henderson will be out, surely. Waite his obvious replacement. He and White can rotate through CHF and defence. Either that leave White at CHF and play Waite on the wing. Think McLean will play given the type of opposition and game that's likely to unfold. Sunday was his only bad one. Garlett will struggle in this type of game so I think an experienced body like Wiggins or a tough nut like Robbo will be in next week. Wiggins is kicking goals by the bucketload so if a bloke's in form, use him.


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:40 pm 
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The Saints bored the Bulldogs into losing.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:41 pm 
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Agree Hendo out for Waite.
Wouldn't be surprised if McLean gets dropped. Given Hadley/Grigg injuries, Robbo may get the nod.
However, given the Saints congested footy he may get a reprieve and could be very useful at stoppages in our forward line.

I think calls for Garlett to be dropped are silly. He was one of our best against the Cats and his unpredictable brilliance and ability to take contested marks are exactly what we need in our forward line against this mob.

Re White, Thornton may get the nod ahead of White but only if he has been doing well in the twos - has he?


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:41 pm 
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Sedat wrote:
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I only pray we don't do what the Dogs did and go back 100m and then via the Cape every time.

Did you want us to kick it to the 18 Saints jumpers permanently stationed in our forward 50? Our tactics kept St Kilda to 4 goals and had us two and a half goals in front in time-on of the last qtr - pretty effective tactics for 115 of 120 minutes. If you want to gift-wrap possession to the Saints, by all means blindly boot it into forward 50 and watch Fisher, Gilbert and Goddard combine for 40 marks between them.

I know what you are saying about the quick ball movement but the reality is that only on a couple of occasions a quarter will you get a quick enough and clean enough clearance to spot up a forward in any space against this mob. Otherwise you'll just have to be patient and move it laterally until an opening presents itself up forward.

Going to the sterile-dome on a Monday night to watch the latest installment of 'tackle-ball' would have to be one of the least enticing fixtures in the AFL calendar. Good luck to the hearty souls of TC that are brave enough to venture out to see the Blues this week - I hope your team rewards you for the sacrifice because it won't be a pleasurable spectacle to witness.


Vary the method in, sometimes chip, sometimes long to the 10m square. Keeps them guessing. Anytime a ball in in the 10m square the opposition panics. That might force their flood a fraction deeper and with good defensive forward 50 pressure it become a long way to goal for them from there. That would allow us to get our zone up closer to the middle. Also, if they're guessing it might force their zone deeper anyway.


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:16 pm 
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How many are going next Monday?
What a stupid, stupid time for a game of footy.
I will go but why are they insisting on Monday night footy?
Hope we play our natural running game and not fall into the Saints hands and get smothered.


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:17 pm 
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Monday night games are out of the question for myself and I'd imagine a lot of other country folk.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 3:27 pm 
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Wojee wrote:
Monday night games are out of the question for myself and I'd imagine a lot of other country folk.

Bloody stupid time for a game! We arn't going either! Bit hard for a guy to take the young ones on a Monday night and expect them to be home b4 midnight and up for school the next day!

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:18 pm 
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Ditto its an idiotic time but i'll be there. Can't miss an opportunity to see the boys smash the saints.

And I was right behind White's kick for goal. He meant it. It never looked like missing, an absolutely fantastic kick right from the boot. That kick alone should give him another game.

If McLean is fit, give him a final chance. On the smaller ground and against an opponent whose style of play should suit him down to the ground. Its now or never for him, otherwise regain form in the VFL.

I think we should bring in Robinson to run with Goddard. Robbo is a proven goalkicker as well. If White stays, its only Garlett that can be dropped not that I want to.

And Henderson goes for Waite as everyone is saying.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:35 pm 
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Agree on White. As I said on another thread, not really a KPP. More a flanker size. Was behind him when he kicked the goal from the HFF which was a beauty. He could really develop.

It is the inside tough nuts we are missing. McLean just isn't with it at the moment. Against St.Kilda and Hayes and Del Santo and co. we will get murdered. Grigg at the very least as Hayes is a runner and maybe Hadley although it depends on fitness.

KPP is easy as Henderson and Waite can be swapped. If Waite has a semblance of touch he will do well.

It seems Robinson had a blinder in the VFL. Do you bring him straight back and if so for whom? Split Setanta's Little Helpers or drop White or Houlihan. Tough call as there are arguments for each.


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:59 pm 
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BrianSetzer1 wrote:
Wojee wrote:
Monday night games are out of the question for myself and I'd imagine a lot of other country folk.

Bloody stupid time for a game! We arn't going either! Bit hard for a guy to take the young ones on a Monday night and expect them to be home b4 midnight and up for school the next day!


No argument from me on that. My little ones are mighty peeved they can't go (being a school night). I"m there, though.

The NRL already have a Monday night game each week. In 2 years, there will be 9 AFL games each week. They need an extra game time slot.
In the USA, Monday night football rates through the roof.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:20 pm 
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We'll be there but not happy about a Monday night game. You're tired for the rest of the week. Thursday night games whilst not ideal are better than Mondays as you only have to get through Friday before getting a break.

Wasn't sure how we would go against the Pies but feeling OK about this one. I watched the replay after attending the game and really we only needed a little more luck late in the third (no poster by Eddie and a bounce or two to go our way rather than to a Collingwood player just hanging back) and who knows what would have happened. If we come with the same attitude as we did the last time we played the Saints (i.e go hard and take them on) I think we can win.

It would be very handy if Jason Gram was missing again this week as he provides that run from the back which then allows Goddard to spend more time forward (playing the Riewoldt role) as per the Freo game.

Saints won against Freo by 15 points in a game that was tight until the end. Jason Gram played. Goddard kicks 5.2 ,Milne kicks 5, Schneider 2.2.
Saints lost to Port by 10 points. No Jason Gram. Goddard 0, Milne 1, Schneider 3.
Saints last gasp win against Dogs by 3 points. No Jason Gram. Goddard 0, Milne 2.1, Schneider 0.

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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 5:24 pm 
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Got no problem at all with MNF, especially when Ron Jaworski is behind the microphone...
Will be interesting to see how we tackle the St Kilda Steelers


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PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2010 6:00 pm 
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Dunno why Browne is so maligned he came from the same draft as Lachie Henderson

So he deserves a good run as his form is solid.


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