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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:03 pm 
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walker. his fair half of the first quarter was horrible, but after that he was superb. hopefully that gives him the confidence to take him the next level. was great.

lucas and white. just superb, for 1 and 2 games between them i thought they did very well. note to Thorton, it will be another run in the two next week. They showed everything and more and niether should be making way for Thorton to come back in next week.

im not even going to talk about Judd, its boring, such a good footballer.

da brothers. really like the way they work, all three come in and out of the game, which is not bad, as it means it generally gives us a go to guy for the game. yaz was superb in the first, garlett in the last and betts was handy all game. i think they compliment very well with Hendo, who continues to impress.

the rucks. really thought warnock took a step today, was alot more impressed with his efforts at the contest and around the grounds today than the last few weeks.

about the only cons, was letting them in late in the 3rd quarter and the first half of the last quarter. do that against other sides, and it could have been a different result.

reasonably happy with the result, 2/2 after 4, not a bad start to the season.

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I'm going to disagree with a few posters and say that I thought the third quarter was some of the most encouraging footy we'd played in a long while. Note I say 'encouraging' not 'best'. Why do I say this? The Crows came out and really tried to dominate the contest. They moved their zone forward and tried to choke us out of the game like they have done for the last 3-5 years. What we did was suck it up, and tried to maintain posession. It was a mature performance. When we did lose the ball we didn't cede the corridor to them. They had to kick it wide, and the result was low percentage shots for goal (which luckily they missed).

Think of it this way. How many times have you cursed our bad kicking for goal? Often the reason for the poor conversion is exactly the same sort of zoning pressure that we applied to the Crows in Q3.

Last year we would have felt that zoning pressure, blazed away, lost the ball, lost the corridor, and conceded a flood of goals. The first half against the Crows at AAMI in 2009 was instructive. That was exactly what happened then. This year we were smart enough to maintain a contest and not get burned on the rebound.

Yeah it would have been nice to play free flowing footy. But it wasn't realistic at the time. We played a really smart brand of footy in that corridor. Sure it wasn't pretty, but blame Paul Roos and the AFL Rules Committee for that.


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Molly wrote:
I'm going to disagree with a few posters and say that I thought the third quarter was some of the most encouraging footy we'd played in a long while. Note I say 'encouraging' not 'best'. Why do I say this? The Crows came out and really tried to dominate the contest. They moved their zone forward and tried to choke us out of the game like they have done for the last 3-5 years. What we did was suck it up, and tried to maintain posession. It was a mature performance. When we did lose the ball we didn't cede the corridor to them. They had to kick it wide, and the result was low percentage shots for goal (which luckily they missed).

Think of it this way. How many times have you cursed our bad kicking for goal? Often the reason for the poor conversion is exactly the same sort of zoning pressure that we applied to the Crows in Q3.

Last year we would have felt that zoning pressure, blazed away, lost the ball, lost the corridor, and conceded a flood of goals. The first half against the Crows at AAMI in 2009 was instructive. That was exactly what happened then. This year we were smart enough to maintain a contest and not get burned on the rebound.

Yeah it would have been nice to play free flowing footy. But it wasn't realistic at the time. We played a really smart brand of footy in that corridor. Sure it wasn't pretty, but blame Paul Roos and the AFL Rules Committee for that.


a good obervation and some truth to it, could even say, in what i thought was a down period for us, we still did well to keep them from scoring heavily.

i just dont think, we did what we did in the first two quarters, the running, the pressure etc.. in the third, and that was my concern, but you are right, the fact that we could "control" the play, while they where coming at us, and they were, was a good sign.

having said that, i think we all forget, that we are still a very young side, and fade outs from time to time are to be expected, not until we have a core of players with 100-150 games experience will we elliminate such aspects of our games.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:45 pm 
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pros

Lucas is going to be a great player.
White looked good.
Walker
Judd
Murphy
Betts, Yarran and Garlett work well together
kicked straight for goal
Simpson is a very underrated player.
Warnock' second efforts
no injuries

cons

looked tired at times and inaccurate kicking by Adelaide saved us.
terrible umpires


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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros and Cons
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pros: walker :smile:
white :thumbsup:
lucas: :clap:

well done to Juddy and Hoops.

cons: keep workin' on the kick in strategy guys. :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros and Cons
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kezza wrote:
pros

Lucas is going to be a great player.
White looked good.
Walker
Judd
Murphy
Betts, Yarran and Garlett work well together
kicked straight for goal
Simpson is a very underrated player.
Warnock' second efforts
no injuries

cons

looked tired at times and inaccurate kicking by Adelaide saved us.
terrible umpires


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Also another pro is that we have lots of depth these days with McLean, Bower, Hampson (when fit), Waite, Grigg and Thornton all worthy of being selected in our 22.

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros and Cons
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Pros

We won
Kruezer
Three small forwards
Won well without Waite and Thornton
Judd Gibbs Murphy
Simpson

Cons

Carazzo was a liability
Walker did some good things and I hope he builds on it, but if he continues to be such a poor kick I can't see that he has much of a future.
Setanta is not crashing packs like I want him to

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:33 pm 
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PROS
- i think we have found in lucas our replacement for stevens - he looks like an excellent link man
- walkers best game in a while - he kept running and running and believing in himself
- white's composure and adventure in turning defence into attach. also was nice him keep his feet
- judd, was like a bull
- yarrans class in the first half
- patience to work through the corridor, look for the the player running past, and the courage to run forward of the play and to move the ball quickly
- patience to hang in there in the 2nd half as the crows changed their zone
- gibbs and murphy worked hard into the defensive half to provide class going forward
- henderson slowly getting better
- we finally bet the crows!

CONS
- we dont play 120 minutes of the 'winning' football. In the second half I noticed players either looking around for a player running past or cursing that there was no movement ahead. Not sure whether this is fitness related but we are vulnerable when we play this way
- when we stop running we start going wide and again we start to look vulnerable
- we played a team that was very poor in their kicking for goal and were often indirect - so we cannot get too excited
- defence still looked fragile at times when the ball was kicked deep into the forward 50 to Tippet (the crows rarely did this though)
- as good as our small forwards were, we will not beat any of the top 4 teams with scores of 100

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:53 pm 
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PROS:
- I'M BACK! :grin:
- Walker played one of his best games. Shouldn't be taking kickouts but used the space at AAMI very well and his confidence continued to grow.
- Juddy's return was everthing we could hope for (maybe except for seeing one of his explosive goals from outside 50)
- White and Lucas both look like beauties. White in particular had a tough task to go to Burton (who always murders us), and held his own. As for Lucas, I like how he goes about it.
- Garlett/Yarran tag team. Yarran carved them up in the 1st half, Garlett took over in the 2nd. With these two and Eddie in the 50, no surprise that the pressure was much better.
- Hendo never stopped trying. Always competed and worked his arse off all day. He may not ever reach Fev's level in talent, but he's already outdone him for work ethic and teamwork.
- Loved Warnock's endeavour. For a big guy it was great to see him chase hard and get at the bottom of packs so often.
- Houlihan played EXACTLY the way we've been screaming for for years
- Murph, Gibbs, Carrots, Simmo, Scotland all their usual selves
- Jamo destroyed Tippett, and without Thornton seemed much more comfortable being 'The General'
- Pressure, tackling , commitment, the very things missing last week
- We broke their zone, we stretched them. This is a watershed moment for the team
- Kreuzer didn't to much with the ball, but a lot without it
- JR is quickly becoming one of our best users of the ball. No surprise that when he drilled the ball down the middle from CHB with one of his low spearing kicks we looked far more dangerous
- Kicking for goal. Funny how much easier it is when we kick between the big sticks

CONS:
- The 3rd quarter and most of the last. Yes, the Crows looked more like their old selves and we held them off (something we've never been able to do) but many of our bad habits came to the fore again
- Kick-ins still an issue, as is the holding the ball up bullshit (there's a time and a place to do it, which isn't when you're 40 pts up and you want to finish them off)
- Discipline. The 50s were bullshit, yes. But we should know by now that the umps have itchy trigger fingers when it comes to us, and we mustn't give ANY excuse for them to blow the whistle
- AJ will keep his spot for Ablett, but just doesn't seem himself right now
- Adelaide are very ordinary right now (have they swapped jumpers with Freo?) and with a tough run coming up, if we think this will be good enough to beat our next few opponents, we're @#$%&! delusional.
- We still lost to @#$%&! Essendon*

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 Post subject: Re: R4: Pros and Cons
PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:02 pm 
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PROS:

Walker played a great game - more of the same please.
Garlett & Yarran - both really hungry young kids with bags of talent and great attitudes.
Simpson - notice how often he kicks goals against when the opposition are gunning for us and we are struggling for momentum?
Henderson - had a quiet game but his efforts and attitude are just brilliant compared to the sulker we had last year.
Houlihan - he is a forward & he kicks goals - so play him forward.
Jamison - in only his 3rd or so season he was our senior defender and really led by example

CONS:

Got the wobbles a bit in the 2nd half but pushed away in the end


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Pro
- I will take any win interstate
- Houlihan- just about the best of his 186 games
- Juddy's Back
- Lucas was smoothe
- Pressure was great

Cons
- White does not look KPP Burton Killed him but give the kid a few more games
- Their horrible goal kicking gifted us the match
- We need to mix up the chipping game with more run and carry
- Hendo and Santy disappointing today maybe we need Kreuzer to play forward against Geelong - Scarlett could kill those two


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:54 pm 
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Pros:
Breaking down their attacks early, unlike the previous week
Kruezers start ... he signalled that we came to play
Judd ... great influence on the result
Simpson ... see Judd
Lucas ... can play
Yarran & Gartlett ... lively and dangerous and I loved the way the latter worked his but off in the last quarter
Win at AAMI against a side we struggle with

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Unnecessary 50m penalties ... this could be costly


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:19 pm 
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PROS
- i think we have found in lucas our replacement for stevens - he looks like an excellent link man
- walkers best game in a while - he kept running and running and believing in himself
- white's composure and adventure in turning defence into attach. also was nice him keep his feet
- judd, was like a bull
- yarrans class in the first half
- patience to work through the corridor, look for the the player running past, and the courage to run forward of the play and to move the ball quickly
- patience to hang in there in the 2nd half as the crows changed their zone
- gibbs and murphy worked hard into the defensive half to provide class going forward
- henderson slowly getting better
- we finally bet the crows!

CONS
- we dont play 120 minutes of the 'winning' football. In the second half I noticed players either looking around for a player running past or cursing that there was no movement ahead. Not sure whether this is fitness related but we are vulnerable when we play this way
- when we stop running we start going wide and again we start to look vulnerable
- we played a team that was very poor in their kicking for goal and were often indirect - so we cannot get too excited
- defence still looked fragile at times when the ball was kicked deep into the forward 50 to Tippet (the crows rarely did this though)
- as good as our small forwards were, we will not beat any of the top 4 teams with scores of 100


white kept his feet - something that thornton dosen't do. for mine, he is throntons replacement

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Donstuie wrote:
PROS:
- I'M BACK! :grin:
- Walker played one of his best games. Shouldn't be taking kickouts but used the space at AAMI very well and his confidence continued to grow.
- Juddy's return was everthing we could hope for (maybe except for seeing one of his explosive goals from outside 50)
- White and Lucas both look like beauties. White in particular had a tough task to go to Burton (who always murders us), and held his own. As for Lucas, I like how he goes about it.
- Garlett/Yarran tag team. Yarran carved them up in the 1st half, Garlett took over in the 2nd. With these two and Eddie in the 50, no surprise that the pressure was much better.
- Hendo never stopped trying. Always competed and worked his arse off all day. He may not ever reach Fev's level in talent, but he's already outdone him for work ethic and teamwork.
- Loved Warnock's endeavour. For a big guy it was great to see him chase hard and get at the bottom of packs so often.
- Houlihan played EXACTLY the way we've been screaming for for years
- Murph, Gibbs, Carrots, Simmo, Scotland all their usual selves
- Jamo destroyed Tippett, and without Thornton seemed much more comfortable being 'The General'
- Pressure, tackling , commitment, the very things missing last week
- We broke their zone, we stretched them. This is a watershed moment for the team
- Kreuzer didn't to much with the ball, but a lot without it
- JR is quickly becoming one of our best users of the ball. No surprise that when he drilled the ball down the middle from CHB with one of his low spearing kicks we looked far more dangerous
- Kicking for goal. Funny how much easier it is when we kick between the big sticks

CONS:
- The 3rd quarter and most of the last. Yes, the Crows looked more like their old selves and we held them off (something we've never been able to do) but many of our bad habits came to the fore again
- Kick-ins still an issue, as is the holding the ball up bullshit (there's a time and a place to do it, which isn't when you're 40 pts up and you want to finish them off)
- Discipline. The 50s were bullshit, yes. But we should know by now that the umps have itchy trigger fingers when it comes to us, and we mustn't give ANY excuse for them to blow the whistle
- AJ will keep his spot for Ablett, but just doesn't seem himself right now
- Adelaide are very ordinary right now (have they swapped jumpers with Freo?) and with a tough run coming up, if we think this will be good enough to beat our next few opponents, we're !@#$%& delusional.
- We still lost to !@#$%& Essendon*

:lol: :thumbsup:

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Pros-
Scotland lead by example today and put me in my place. he was simply fantastic today. he seemed the only guy who could run through a pack with the footy and keep his hands free to draw a tackle yet dish the ball off to advantage, thats if they could tackle him at all. very very happy with his game. just super.


andrew walker, i'd just about lost all faith in you mate, but you were fantastic today and your disposal was spot on, mind you i dont think kick ins are your forte. ratts what are you thinking there. simmo should take the kick ins IMO.

I thought warnock did okay today, i think he's got an awful lot of improvment to go, which is a complement to him. massive potential with him. hasn't quite got the pace/intensity yet and is already better than half the big men in the comp.

we are still a bit lost out there at times and the tempo footy has a time and a place. like in the last 45sec of a qtr when we are 3 goals up and they have the momentum. not when there is 12 min to go ina qtr!

i liked the run and overlap out of defence today. we look so much better when we run and take em on, even if they were depleted.

we have buckets of potential - Paul Bower, Jarrad Waite, Brock Mclean all didn't play. I guess the crows outs were just as bad.

judd at the bottom of packs (welcome back - please dont ever get suspended again!)

Cons-
any other year and the crows would have won by 30 points.

they controlled play for large periods and i felt we went into our shell a lot, which may have been a by product of our big lead.
we need to really dominate and control teams/games in this situation but hell we still won by 48 points at footy park!

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Molly wrote:
I'm going to disagree with a few posters and say that I thought the third quarter was some of the most encouraging footy we'd played in a long while. Note I say 'encouraging' not 'best'. Why do I say this? The Crows came out and really tried to dominate the contest. They moved their zone forward and tried to choke us out of the game like they have done for the last 3-5 years. What we did was suck it up, and tried to maintain posession. It was a mature performance. When we did lose the ball we didn't cede the corridor to them. They had to kick it wide, and the result was low percentage shots for goal (which luckily they missed).

Think of it this way. How many times have you cursed our bad kicking for goal? Often the reason for the poor conversion is exactly the same sort of zoning pressure that we applied to the Crows in Q3.

Last year we would have felt that zoning pressure, blazed away, lost the ball, lost the corridor, and conceded a flood of goals. The first half against the Crows at AAMI in 2009 was instructive. That was exactly what happened then. This year we were smart enough to maintain a contest and not get burned on the rebound.

Yeah it would have been nice to play free flowing footy. But it wasn't realistic at the time. We played a really smart brand of footy in that corridor. Sure it wasn't pretty, but blame Paul Roos and the AFL Rules Committee for that.



a good obervation and some truth to it, could even say, in what i thought was a down period for us, we still did well to keep them from scoring heavily.

i just dont think, we did what we did in the first two quarters, the running, the pressure etc.. in the third, and that was my concern, but you are right, the fact that we could "control" the play, while they where coming at us, and they were, was a good sign.

having said that, i think we all forget, that we are still a very young side, and fade outs from time to time are to be expected, not until we have a core of players with 100-150 games experience will we elliminate such aspects of our games.


after reading you're thoughts i've got to admit, I cant EVER recall a team pressing so hard against us for so little reward in my 15 years of following the footy. seriously.

thats got to be for a reason, and surely that wasn't just bad luck/kicking from the crows.

the one thing thats stuck out was how intense it seemed and every time i'd look at the clock another 2 minutes or so had past without a goal scoring play from the crows.
we must have soaked up 10-12 minutes of play from the crows in the third before we rebounded/countered and goaled ourselves agaisnt the flow of play. for me that was an absoloute highlight of the game for me. that and jeffy garlett. electric.


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Cons:

Foxtel's replay today (from 10am-12.30pm) being replaced by some stupid baseball game! :mad: :banghead:


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Foxtel's replay today (from 10am-12.30pm) being replaced by some stupid baseball game! :mad: :banghead:

Monday @ 12 PM on One if you have a recording facility of some kind.

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Don't have digital tv yet unfortunately.

Run down to ALDI and spend $30 or so on an SD set-top box. Or get a HD tuner card/USB dongle for about $40 from MSY. :thumbsup:

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