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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:54 am 
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Seems if an established player like Scotland drops a coupe of sitters he's forgiven but if a youngster does the same he's not up to AFL standard - write him off :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:01 am 
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camelboy wrote:
caulfieldrover wrote:
Lets be honest it wasn't a 12 point loss. It was a 6 point loss.
Had we had real scoring we may have tried a little harder in the last few minutes.
We were also without

Ryan Houlihan
Andrew Walker
Kade Simpson
Setanta O’hAilpin
Eddie Betts
Marc Murphy
Dennis Armfield
Jarrod Waite
Mark Austin

They were only missing O'Keefe, Bradshaw & White.

What the loss really shows is the holiday approach to interstate games.

Anyway - Geelong, Essendon*, Collingwood & Brisbane also lost, so this is serious stuff.

If you have so much to say on this forum, I look forward to seeing you at the next AGM, where your opinion really counts.


:thumbsup: to caulfieldrover.

The weekend was disappointing, sure, we clearly didn't play very well at all.

But we still have a lot to look forward to in 2010 and beyond.

While people are considering the time it will take for us fully develop, have a read of these lyrics...

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain
And you are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say



DSOTM :clap: :clap: :clap:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:11 am 
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gerry atric wrote:
What I liked about the game is that we used it for 'practice'. We tried Jacobs and Warnock as rucks. Jacobs is a classy tap and a good honest battling ruck for insurance. Warnock is big athletic and did okay.

Our forward structure was terrible but I guess we needed to try it. Hammo is a ruckman and should be used as such, with maybe a run up forward occasionally. Very athletic but dooesn't have great hands and not great below his knees. Big K is soon to be our second best player and will be a champion ruckman, or a battling CHF, I'd ratrher use him in his best position - the ruck, but I expect he may be used as a CHF. Warnock looks promising but not sure why you give up a lot to recruit a ruck when we have potentially the best ruck in the league in Big K and developing support in Jacobs and Hammo.

I expect next week they will play Setanta at FF. He is the best option. I thought hendo battled well but needs time and may become a key defender before he becomes a key forward. We learnt it will be tough to have Hadley and Mclean in the one side. Hadley was good, McLean dreadful, but he is a much better player than that. Anyway it was an ordinary game and we experimented and tried things which I expect we will do in each pre season game, after all they are practice games.

Also, while I support the club's Fev decision, we need to be realistic. he will be very hard to replace.

Wasn't Hampson the player who roved a ball between two Saints and snapped it through the big sticks?

Or the guy who one grabbed a ball off the deck in the wet against Port in our come from behind win?

Also received a handball on the run in the final, baulked Sheldon and snapped a point on the run that just missed.

Has roved his own taps on occasion.

Not good below his knees in a practice game and his first competitive hitout after bulking up over summer.
:donk:

We drafted Warnock so we could send Hampson and Kreuzer forward at times.

The top teams push Ottens, Jolly, Minson and Gardiner forward to create mismatches and pinch a goal.

Why would we want to do that?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:32 pm 
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Kouta wrote:
gerry atric wrote:
What I liked about the game is that we used it for 'practice'. We tried Jacobs and Warnock as rucks. Jacobs is a classy tap and a good honest battling ruck for insurance. Warnock is big athletic and did okay.

Our forward structure was terrible but I guess we needed to try it. Hammo is a ruckman and should be used as such, with maybe a run up forward occasionally. Very athletic but dooesn't have great hands and not great below his knees. Big K is soon to be our second best player and will be a champion ruckman, or a battling CHF, I'd ratrher use him in his best position - the ruck, but I expect he may be used as a CHF. Warnock looks promising but not sure why you give up a lot to recruit a ruck when we have potentially the best ruck in the league in Big K and developing support in Jacobs and Hammo.

I expect next week they will play Setanta at FF. He is the best option. I thought hendo battled well but needs time and may become a key defender before he becomes a key forward. We learnt it will be tough to have Hadley and Mclean in the one side. Hadley was good, McLean dreadful, but he is a much better player than that. Anyway it was an ordinary game and we experimented and tried things which I expect we will do in each pre season game, after all they are practice games.

Also, while I support the club's Fev decision, we need to be realistic. he will be very hard to replace.

Wasn't Hampson the player who roved a ball between two Saints and snapped it through the big sticks?

Or the guy who one grabbed a ball off the deck in the wet against Port in our come from behind win?

Also received a handball on the run in the final, baulked Sheldon and snapped a point on the run that just missed.

Has roved his own taps on occasion.

Not good below his knees in a practice game and his first competitive hitout after bulking up over summer.
:donk:

We drafted Warnock so we could send Hampson and Kreuzer forward at times.

The top teams push Ottens, Jolly, Minson and Gardiner forward to create mismatches and pinch a goal.

Why would we want to do that?
:sly:

As time passes, TC looks more and more like BF.


I agree

For a bloke who is over 200cm tall and only played the game for 5 years (?), he's fantastic below his knees. He is mobile and an athlete...and that's why he's good below the knees.

When you see a bloke over 200cm, don't judge them by their size.

Kreuzer's mobile, and you'll be surprised with what Warnock brings to the table.
All 3 of our ruckmen are good below the knees.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:47 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
caulfieldrover wrote:
Lets be honest it wasn't a 12 point loss. It was a 6 point loss.
Had we had real scoring we may have tried a little harder in the last few minutes.
We were also without

Ryan Houlihan
Andrew Walker
Kade Simpson
Setanta O’hAilpin
Eddie Betts
Marc Murphy
Dennis Armfield
Jarrod Waite
Mark Austin

They were only missing O'Keefe, Bradshaw & White.

What the loss really shows is the holiday approach to interstate games.

Anyway - Geelong, Essendon*, Collingwood & Brisbane also lost, so this is serious stuff.

If you have so much to say on this forum, I look forward to seeing you at the next AGM, where your opinion really counts.


:thumbsup: to caulfieldrover.

The weekend was disappointing, sure, we clearly didn't play very well at all.

But we still have a lot to look forward to in 2010 and beyond.

While people are considering the time it will take for us fully develop, have a read of these lyrics...

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain
And you are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say

Got to keep those loonies on the path

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:27 pm 
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It really amazes me when I see people get so fired up over meaningless pre season matches, and not just on fan sites, but even when you watch the games on TV, you see sections of the crowd on the edge of their seats and biting their fingernails over a friggin NAB cup match.

Just chill the @#$%&! out, remember what happened when we won the NAB cup twice before?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:38 pm 
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Yeah,
and seeing as how Lewis Jetta tripped over his own feet and got a free..which led to one goal....and then seeing as how Scottie(who lloks in excellent shape)missed a sitter which led to another Swannie goal..that's really - 2 goals them..which means....
we really won by a goal. :thumbsup:
so there. :smoking:
ps.Guess who else watched the Pink Floyd special. :lol:
pps geez Dave Gilmour was handsome back then.
oops...sorry off topic....I mean....geez the boys are in good shape.....generally.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:43 pm 
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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
remember what happened when we won the NAB cup twice before?


remember who won it last year..... oh wait.... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:11 pm 
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The way we play and with the team we have got every game should be important !


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:25 pm 
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MadBlue wrote:
The way we play and with the team we have got every game should be important !



ahhh but some games are more important than others :smoking:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 3:54 pm 
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Yea it is a NAB cup game, but when you see guys not even kicking the ball cleanly to team mates, it is a bit disturbing.

I only watched the 2nd half, so can't comment on 1st half.

But, I don't care if we won or lost that game. I was more concerned about the forward line strategy/setup. It looked non-existent. By first game of NAB cup, we should atleast have a system in place that needs to have slight tinkering. But, l didn't see a system at all in the 2nd half.

Maybe this system didn't work due to the delivery of the mid field.

It isn't panic stations yet, long way to go before round 1 and a lot of good players to come back in the team. But, would of liked to see a few players make nice leads and attempt to take marks, but just saw long bombs into forward line.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:10 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
pps geez Dave Gilmour was handsome back then.


..ain't so pretty now.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 4:39 pm 
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In 2005 we looked amazing during the pre-season comp. Our ball movement was fluent. We were playing fast, attacking football. We even beat West Coast in the GF... the same West Coast that went runners up to Sydney in the real season that year.

We won the 2005 pre-season cup.... finished dead last in the H&A season... yet we're still analyzing the Sydney game like it meant something....

Strange. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:05 pm 
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fraser murphy wrote:
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pps geez Dave Gilmour was handsome back then.


..ain't so pretty now.

No...i still think he's got it....aged well.
errr..i mean....Hey....I still think we will beat Lions and Bombers as far as making the eight...I really do...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:06 pm 
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I agree that this game does not mean much .... but I like others was disappointed at the apparent lack of a forward structure/strategy that worked.

It looks to me like the long high bomb to the square is part of the strategy, hoping the big blokes esp. Hampson can use his height to pluck the mark. I also saw a couple of deliberate high lobs into the fwd line in the intra-club. Looked like they were trying to lob onto stationary contest where we have height advantage.

May sound all right in theory but I doubt it works much in practice as a high ball gives 'third man up' too much time to get to the contest for the spoil. Perhaps a spill to the ground is an acceptable result?

No panic ... just concern.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:09 pm 
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caulfieldrover wrote:
Lets be honest it wasn't a 12 point loss. It was a 6 point loss.
Had we had real scoring we may have tried a little harder in the last few minutes.
We were also without

Ryan Houlihan
Andrew Walker
Kade Simpson
Setanta O’hAilpin
Eddie Betts
Marc Murphy
Dennis Armfield
Jarrod Waite
Mark Austin

They were only missing O'Keefe, Bradshaw & White.

What the loss really shows is the holiday approach to interstate games.

Anyway - Geelong, Essendon*, Collingwood & Brisbane also lost, so this is serious stuff.

If you have so much to say on this forum, I look forward to seeing you at the next AGM, where your opinion really counts.


I'd add games to forget from - gibbs, kreuzer, mclean + a couple others that were unsighted for most of the night.

also lost fisher 1/2way through the 2nd quarter - regardless of whether or not some posters rate him as a player - on the night he was tracking as one of our better players for the night at that stage of the game

From memory, yarran missed at least 3 gettable goals. Had he kicked straight then we would have won. Sack Yarran! :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:28 pm 
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blue in the face wrote:
I agree that this game does not mean much .... but I like others was disappointed at the apparent lack of a forward structure/strategy that worked.

It looks to me like the long high bomb to the square is part of the strategy, hoping the big blokes esp. Hampson can use his height to pluck the mark. I also saw a couple of deliberate high lobs into the fwd line in the intra-club. Looked like they were trying to lob onto stationary contest where we have height advantage.

May sound all right in theory but I doubt it works much in practice as a high ball gives 'third man up' too much time to get to the contest for the spoil. Perhaps a spill to the ground is an acceptable result?

No panic ... just concern.


...and because we brought the ball forward sooooooo slowly, the 3rd man up had plenty of time, but wasn't needed. The ball never was kicked to the advantage of Kreuzer, Henderson or Hampson when they were KP fwds.

When you look at the calibre of big blokes we have to play forward and understand each individual's strengths, the long bomb would work.

You gotta know who you are kicking it to, how and where you should kick it as well.

The team will gel together and the sense of proximity will develop, but the team structure needs to be found out in the next 2 weeks and practised in the 2 weeks following that before round 1 starts.

After that, there's no practise time left...it's the real deal. That's what scares me. We are leaving things to work out at the last minute. That's dangerous especially given we are practising with Judd who will be missing for the first 3 rounds.

Hurry up and get your shit together Ratts.

4 ruckmen...where do they fit in?
Setanta, Henderson, Waite?

Ratts has got to work out where these guys play as quickly as possible......and not when it's too late (midseason).

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:38 pm 
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blue in the face wrote:
I agree that this game does not mean much .... but I like others was disappointed at the apparent lack of a forward structure/strategy that worked.

It looks to me like the long high bomb to the square is part of the strategy, hoping the big blokes esp. Hampson can use his height to pluck the mark. I also saw a couple of deliberate high lobs into the fwd line in the intra-club. Looked like they were trying to lob onto stationary contest where we have height advantage.

May sound all right in theory but I doubt it works much in practice as a high ball gives 'third man up' too much time to get to the contest for the spoil. Perhaps a spill to the ground is an acceptable result?

No panic ... just concern.


Riley talks about the long deep bomb if no other options are present in last weeks press conference. There is method to the madness and all the top clubs are using the tactic.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:45 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
fraser murphy wrote:
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pps geez Dave Gilmour was handsome back then.


..ain't so pretty now.

No...i still think he's got it....aged well.
errr..i mean....Hey....I still think we will beat Lions and Bombers as far as making the eight...I really do...


Seriously, he has massive bongface.

But seriously, i agree with what everyone has said in this thread.

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