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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:49 am 
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My money's on Yarran if anyone. Still, I don't think they've got a lock on anyone just yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:12 am 
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Very concerned about this rumour.

I would not want any two faced players in our team if this was true.

How underhanded would this guy be if it were the case.

I hope the club does follow these rumours out.

Has anyone that knows someone in the club, asked them ?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:17 am 
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The Duke wrote:
My money's on Yarran if anyone. Still, I don't think they've got a lock on anyone just yet.

Imagine the "why didnt we take Rich" if it is Yarran.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:19 am 
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Leigh Matthews was asked the other day how he'd react, and I thought his answer was pretty good.

"I wouldn't want to know" was his response. Because once the club finds out, they're in a complete no-win situation. If they keep the guy playing for the season, there'll be all the disruptive media hype and bullshit, and possible disharmony. If they cut the guy, they lose out on his services for the year.

Personally, given that the compensatory draft pick is probably awarded at the end of the 2010 season, I think you'd want to play the guy to maximise his value at year's end. If you keep him languishing in the VFL, you can hardly complain when he's deemed to not be worth much at year's end.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:40 am 
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kezza wrote:
The Duke wrote:
My money's on Yarran if anyone. Still, I don't think they've got a lock on anyone just yet.

Imagine the "why didnt we take Rich" if it is Yarran.


...and probably justifiably so. Not saying it will happen, but for it to happen the player in question will need to want to go. I hope we keep all our recruits and imagine it will be very hard for them to take a top-line player from our list.

Time will tell.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:46 am 
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How long a contact did Jacob's get when we promoted him to the senior list last year ??? I doubt it would have been a 1 year deal, so if it is Jacobs then they would have to trade for him ..............


I would prefer to lose Grigg to the GC as an uncontracted player than Jacobs as I think Jacobs would have more trade value (and probably less "compensation" value considering he was a rookie promotion, and draft position comes into consideration for compensation).

I also hope it isn't O'Keefe or Austin who have been signed, but it it was out of those 2 boys or a Gibbs/Hampson I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it.


Lets face it, we will probably lose someone, lets just hope it is someone we can cover .........


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:52 am 
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Leigh Matthews was asked the other day how he'd react, and I thought his answer was pretty good.

"I wouldn't want to know" was his response. Because once the club finds out, they're in a complete no-win situation. If they keep the guy playing for the season, there'll be all the disruptive media hype and bullshit, and possible disharmony. If they cut the guy, they lose out on his services for the year.

Personally, given that the compensatory draft pick is probably awarded at the end of the 2010 season, I think you'd want to play the guy to maximise his value at year's end. If you keep him languishing in the VFL, you can hardly complain when he's deemed to not be worth much at year's end.


Makes sense.

As noted, losing one or more players to GC17 is highly likely, let's hope Swann and the Footy dept have a plan to deal with such an eventuality.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:33 pm 
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so every team loses pretty much 1 player , thats how i see it and if by chance its grigg or jacobs i couldnt care less. A
4th string ruck man and a guy that will struggle to get a game in our midfield when we are firing, i would be happy with that.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:36 pm 
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No matter who it is, it would be disprespectful to his original club.

I would want to name and shame him. Don't want someone who signs with someone else in secret playing for the club.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:39 pm 
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Isn't this a common occurrance in other ball sports?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:48 pm 
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Mrs Caz wrote:
Isn't this a common occurrance in other ball sports?


It is Mrs Caz, but a lot of Aussie Rules supporters are so AFL-centric that they cannot and will not look at other codes and how they do things because in their minds it is simply inferior! :roll:
These players are professional athletes and I think a lot will have the shock of their lives when the current restraints to player movement are successfully challenged and NRL and soccer style transfers become common place

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:02 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
Mrs Caz wrote:
Isn't this a common occurrance in other ball sports?


It is Mrs Caz, but a lot of Aussie Rules supporters are so AFL-centric that they cannot and will not look at other codes and how they do things because in their minds it is simply inferior! :roll:
These players are professional athletes and I think a lot will have the shock of their lives when the current restraints to player movement are successfully challenged and NRL and soccer transfers become common place


And if player loyalty is thrown out the door, I guess a lot of supporters will throw player and club loyalty out the door too.

How can our kids idolise a player who may not be there next year?
I empathise with parents of kids who idolised Fev. It's a difficult situation.
My kids are encouraged to barrack for the team, not the player.

I can see a lot of disappointment and a diminishing club loyalty as has happened with the NRL in NSW if it happens with the AFL. Sure the super league screwed things up, but I can assure you a lot of ex supporters/ members are nowdays just intersted bystanders who became too frustrated with the lack of player loyalty to the clubs, and it is too difficult to support a team and player when they know half way through a season that a player will be playing with the opposition next year.

TBH, I have gone luke warm on Gibbs just in case he is the one who leaves us for the GC. I don't think he will, but I aint going to risk being heart broken like I was when Hamill, Camporeale, Jesaulenko and Crosswell left us for other clubs. Nor do I want my boys to go through that either.

Change is inevitable though.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:11 pm 
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Why is everyone mentioning Gibbs.

Didnt swanny say his contract is nearly done ?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:15 pm 
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Bondi, I know footy has its own culture and supporter nuances, but the love is always for the club. Players come and go.
It will be interesting to see what changes are made to supporter demands and behaviour if player movement is liberalised. Will be a massive shift in thinking!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:28 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
Mrs Caz wrote:
Isn't this a common occurrance in other ball sports?


It is Mrs Caz, but a lot of Aussie Rules supporters are so AFL-centric that they cannot and will not look at other codes and how they do things because in their minds it is simply inferior! :roll:
These players are professional athletes and I think a lot will have the shock of their lives when the current restraints to player movement are successfully challenged and NRL and soccer style transfers become common place



I must say that yeah players playing for a club while they are signed on to another club the next year happens in other codes, but it isn't exactly a good thing ........... Take Falou for example 2 year ago. He signed on with the Bronco's before the season even started. Rediculous that a player can sign on for a second club for the next year BEFORE the current season has even started.

That said I can see why the GC17 have had to do it. Trying to line up players for their team in 1 trade period would have been almost impossible ............. That said, could you imagine what THIS years trade period will be like !!!!!!!! The GWS will be talking to players coming out of contract in 2011, GC17 will be trying to get uncontracted players to walk away from clubs and sign with them, plus there will be the usual talk between established clubs.

I just hope that once these 2 clubs are in the league things will go back to normal, that is no talking to uncontracted players until the trade period starts (well until post-season anyway)


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:33 pm 
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marciblue wrote:
Bondi, I know footy has its own culture and supporter nuances, but the love is always for the club. Players come and go.
It will be interesting to see what changes are made to supporter demands and behaviour if player movement is liberalised. Will be a massive shift in thinking!


Yes true, but as I mentioned, I have seen the effect the free trade in the NRL has had on the fans of NRL clubs.

There has been the decline in club memberships and the decline in attendances. Loyalty to the game and the club seems to be a reflection of the loyalty players show their club and vice versa.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:43 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Why is everyone mentioning Gibbs.

Didnt swanny say his contract is nearly done ?

Gibbs is being mentioned because GC17 would have been mad not to go after him. Swann mentioned 2 1/2 weeks ago that his contract was almost done, yet still no signature. Until he does sign the speculation will continue, if we hear that they will leave it until the end of the season then he will be gone.
Its horrible but a situation the AFL have created in their determination to expand the competition and make it successful straight away. Bugger the rest of the existing teams.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:11 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
Leigh Matthews was asked the other day how he'd react, and I thought his answer was pretty good.

"I wouldn't want to know" was his response. Because once the club finds out, they're in a complete no-win situation. If they keep the guy playing for the season, there'll be all the disruptive media hype and bullshit, and possible disharmony. If they cut the guy, they lose out on his services for the year.



Kinda like a 'don't ask don't tell' policy? Seems to work well in the US army... :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:21 pm 
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I'd hate to lose anyone to GC but if we HAD to lose someone then I think grigg would be the best option for the club to have 'poached' - a high draft pick that has developed in the system who should have a reasonable/good season this year might be sufficient for the club to push for a mid first round pick as compensation (ie around pick 10).

Whilst I do like grigg as a player he doesnt really fulfill any specific need as such and I think we have depth to cover his loss.

Others have mentioned jacobs but I think he has more scope to become an important player - has improved every season (strength, mobility, tapwork) - whilst warnock impressed in the NAB cup from what I could see jacobs was better at getting clean taps to advantage around the ground. Imo has the potential to become our 1st ruck if he can continue to improve (based on hampson playing forward, kreuzer as a mobile utility and warnock as 2nd ruck).


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 5:24 pm 
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I thought grigg was one of the only players in our loss on saturday who showed a bit of dash and balls. To be honest, im going to be pissed off to lose anyone to the flower GC.

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