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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 11:25 am 
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Just to reiterate the changes.
We can only use 2 picks and go a maximum 412pts deficit into our 2027 first pick for Cody.
This means if our deficit is higher than 412 points we have to trade in the 2026 first round.
We can either move our picks further up the points with a second rounder or trade a 2027 first and a 2026 first rounder to move up.
Both of these options could be costly and I would be interested to see which clubs are actually looking to trade back given this is the last of the un-compromised drafts for a couple of years.
Either way, not a good position to be in, especially if we keep climbing the ladder and lose the 10% discount or worse get slugged a loading fee (unlikely though).

Currently we have pick #9 (1355) and #17 (879) moving back to #10 (1276) and #18 (836) if Cochrane is called out before Cody.
If we finish in top 10 (no discount):
Cody pick 1
1355 + 879 = 2,234 (deficit 766)

Cody pick 2
1276 + 836 = 2,112 (deficit 369)

Cody pick 3
1276 + 836 = 2,112 (deficit 66)

We better hope Richmond doesn't finish last and if they do, Sydney doesn't finish second or win the GF.

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National Draft Bidding System  

From the 2026  National Draft, the following changes will be made to the bidding  system  for concessional players (i.e. Father-Son, Northern Academy, or Next Generation Academy): 

Clubs  can now  only use two picks in the current draft to match any bid placed on a concession player up to and including  pick No. 36. Bids placed at pick No. 37 or later can still be matched with the club’s next pick .
A discount/loading  will be applied to applicable Draft Value Index (DVI) values based on ladder finishing position:
First and second placed teams of that season – 20 per cent loading applied to bids placed between picks 1-18  
Third and fourth placed teams of that season – 10 per cent loading applied to bids placed between picks 1-18   
Fifth to tenth placed teams of that season – no loading or discount
Eleventh to eighteenth placed teams for that season – 10 per cent discount applied to bids placed between picks 1-36 (*From 2027 onwards, eleventh to nineteenth placed teams for that season –10 per cent discount applied)
The allowable draft deficit will be reduced to 412 DVI points in 2026. To access this deficit, a club will need to hold a first-round pick in the following year’s draft. Any deficit accrued, regardless of where the bid is placed, will be deducted from the club’s first-round pick in the following year’s draft.
Clubs will only be able to hold as many picks as they have available Primary List spots.


https://www.afl.com.au/news/1508240/changes-to-afl-player-movement-confirmed#:~:text=Any%20deficit%20accrued%2C%20regardless%20of,have%20available%20Primary%20List%20spots.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 11:54 am 
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GreatEx wrote:
I thought SPS was a three way trade that got us L Young


Yes it was a 3 way trade.

We sent SPS to WCE
WCE gave pick 52 to WB
We got Lewis Young from WB.

Effectively SPS was worth pick 52. So was Young.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 12:11 pm 
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We also have 2decent 2nd rd picks that can be traded to move up the draft board in the 1st rd. GC's and Norf's. Both will be early to mid-20s picks

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 12:35 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
if we keep climbing the ladder and lose the 10% discount

Currently we have pick #9 (1355) and #17 (879) moving back to #10 (1276) and #18 (836) if Cochrane is called out before Cody.
If we finish in top 10 (no discount):

We better hope Richmond doesn't finish last and if they do, Sydney doesn't finish second or win the GF.


You're right Sidey. The picture can be even bleaker than the above. I have no doubt 3 of our 2026 and 2027 First picks, maybe 2026 2nd rounders, will be used on Walker. I hope its not 4 1sts (there could be a riot), but then again, if that means we end up playing in a Prelim or GF, that's the cost.

Lets see how we go against Hawks this week, because I think we can get to Wildcard 10th and beat WB, therefore 8th, then face Hawks. Beat the Hawks and we are facing a Prelim at the Gabba against Lions (dejavu). I expect us to land as high as 4th.

Crusader pointed out that points can get bleaker if/ when we add FA compo picks after the teams first pick who end up below Sydney. Your shift from 9 to 10 accounts for the Ports matching of the Cochrane bid, before us. Then there's the shift to the Sydney first rounder from compo picks for FA (Butters Bailey Williams King Fritsch Sparrow....what if we beat Lions...Neale compo...)

Add 20% to points required for pick 2 or 3, let alone 1....
Reduce points we have for our Sydney first round pick, pushed from 15,16,17,18 to 21, 22, 23, 24....

I don't want dannyboy to even have to think about this cost before our season is finished.

Que sera sera

As for who ends up with Pick 1 and the related nuances:

I don't think Effendopes will get off the bottom of the ladder, and hope they continue to desire our 2027 picks for Bewick.

Eff vs Bris, GWS, Haw, Adel, Geel, Syd, PA

Richmond no better but have a chance against of a win against WCE at the MCG.

I hope they both lose all their games.

If Effendopes win ONE game, and Tigers lose all their games, things just got Bleaker if Tigers call out Walker first, or 2nd.

Let GW and CD worry about that. But I'm not sure they factored our revival (let alone 7 wins in a row) and possibility of Finals when they decided to not tank after the Lions game.

I would love to beat the Hawks this week, to give us confidence when we face them next in Finals :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 12:36 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
We also have 2decent 2nd rd picks that can be traded to move up the draft board in the 1st rd. GC's and Norf's. Both will be early to mid-20s picks


:thumbsup:

Love (for Walker) will find a way ... if we are willing to pay the COST of making Finals and winning one or two.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 1:59 pm 
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The problem with having to trade future picks or second and third rounders to get enough points for Walker is that every other club will know that we're desperate and will take advantage of us. We get screwed by loosing 10% discount, we get screwed by loosing second round compo pick, we get screwed by only being able to use two picks to match, we get screwed by AFL incentivising all other clubs to bid on our F/S and take advantage of our forced trades.

@#$%&! you AFL


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 2:14 pm 
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also every media outlet is driving the story of Cody because if we cannot land him then they have a great story over summer and beyond...

happy to land cody as long as the club asks is it worth it - they may answer yes and go for it but they had better ask the @#$%&! question - of course we will never know if they seriously asked themselves that question which is why I won't lose any sleep over it, cos I will never know.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 3:36 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Lets see how we go against Hawks this week, because I think we can get to Wildcard 10th and beat WB, therefore 8th, then face Hawks. Beat the Hawks and we are facing a Prelim at the Gabba against Lions (dejavu). I expect us to land as high as 4th.



I think you've skipped a final there bondi. Winning a wildcard then another win, would take us to a semi not a prelim.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 3:39 pm 
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btw I don't think it will be hard to find a club willing to trade a first for our first & second, if it comes to that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 9:26 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
The problem with having to trade future picks or second and third rounders to get enough points for Walker is that every other club will know that we're desperate and will take advantage of us. We get screwed by loosing 10% discount, we get screwed by loosing second round compo pick, we get screwed by only being able to use two picks to match, we get screwed by AFL incentivising all other clubs to bid on our F/S and take advantage of our forced trades.

@#$%&! you AFL


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 9:27 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
also every media outlet is driving the story of Cody because if we cannot land him then they have a great story over summer and beyond...

happy to land cody as long as the club asks is it worth it - they may answer yes and go for it but they had better ask the @#$%&! question - of course we will never know if they seriously asked themselves that question which is why I won't lose any sleep over it, cos I will never know.


Glad you feel that way DGB.
I will never know what he’s worth.
Part of me wants to test oppo and afl.
Would sorta like to see a nepo baby take him only to see him demand a trade in the next year.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 9:30 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Lets see how we go against Hawks this week, because I think we can get to Wildcard 10th and beat WB, therefore 8th, then face Hawks. Beat the Hawks and we are facing a Prelim at the Gabba against Lions (dejavu). I expect us to land as high as 4th.



I think you've skipped a final there bondi. Winning a wildcard then another win, would take us to a semi not a prelim.


Yes indeed.
I took for granted we would beat Geelong after Doggies to get us into a Prelim at the Gabba.
That’s fair isn’t it?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 11:07 pm 
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After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2026 11:15 pm 
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If the cost is to high let him go and let someone else develop him for 3 years.
If he really wants to play for Carlton he will come back

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 9:20 am 
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BlueJean wrote:
After watching Flagmantle tonight, it’s evident (I already knew) that Carlton are a mile off winning a flag. Graeham Wright or whoever becomes list boss has to remove the deadwood ASAP. So many of our players are not mentally, physically or spiritually up to it. We traded our one “fools gold” forward in Curnow last year and now we need to trade the other one in McKay. Bring in more pace. It is like being a parent, sometimes you have to hold these players to account, if you don’t, you're not being responsible and doing your role. Those that know me, know I have high standards of myself and those around me. It’s time this club and these players are held accountable. You put on a Carlton jumper, you perform to the required standard.


Well said
It’s ok to be one -eyed but so many supporters are simply blinkered on how they see footy and their team
That second half they played is the best footy I have seen for a long time
As you said we are miles off it
We may not get Walker but if we do it may cost us two potential stars minimum
You simply have to nail your picks in top 10
Also again footy smarts is overlooked
Murphy going at 17
Dudley is very smart doesn’t fumble and was running around for Central Districts as a mature age
Take note Windy
Treacy was rookie pick
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 9:34 am 
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Fremantle list profile highlights where recruiters need to get things right
Nail first round picks Serong Brayshaw Amiss
Getting stars through trades Jackson Bolton
Smart trades McVee Clark
Left fielders Treacy Dudley Frederick Voss
A game plan that works that has taken time to evolve
Patience till it clicks
Murphy a steal at pick 17
No injuries and their still got a long way to go but last night was simply unbelievable football


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 10:03 am 
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keogh wrote:
Fremantle list profile highlights where recruiters need to get things right
Nail first round picks Serong Brayshaw Amiss
Getting stars through trades Jackson Bolton
Smart trades McVee Clark
Left fielders Treacy Dudley Frederick Voss
A game plan that works that has taken time to evolve
Patience till it clicks
Murphy a steal at pick 17
No injuries and their still got a long way to go but last night was simply unbelievable football

Why don't we just copy them? Are we stupid?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 10:05 am 
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keogh wrote:
It’s ok to be one-eyed but so many supporters are simply blinkered on how they see footy and their team


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You slay me Keogh. Some of us a blinkered to Negativity. You are blinkered to Positivity. Yin/Yang of TC.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2026 10:19 am 
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jezzarules wrote:
keogh wrote:
Fremantle list profile highlights where recruiters need to get things right
Nail first round picks Serong Brayshaw Amiss
Getting stars through trades Jackson Bolton
Smart trades McVee Clark
Left fielders Treacy Dudley Frederick Voss
A game plan that works that has taken time to evolve
Patience till it clicks
Murphy a steal at pick 17
No injuries and their still got a long way to go but last night was simply unbelievable football

Why don't we just copy them? Are we stupid?


He could have just said it's the board and saved some pixels.

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