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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:42 pm 
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How does this foreign player deal work, do they have to be Irish or can we replace him with one of these 8-foot-3 Americans everyone's talking about?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2026 10:30 pm 
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Hey Crusader or anyone else

I'm looking the make up of the List numbers.

We currently have 46 players including 2 LTI extras (Derksen for Motlop; Riley for Carroll)

39 Listed (includes the 2 extras)
5 Rookies (Lord, Carroll, Evans, Young, Charleson)
2 Internationals ( Monohan, Duffy)

46 players on our website List

AFL allows can 44-48 players on the list
I thought it was a split of 38 primary and 6 rookies = 44.
What other variations are there?

Which Rookies do we have promote if we want to retain them in 2027?
The Internationals are confusing me.
If we discard them that leaves us with 44 players ie keep the LTI replacements.

I know there's a couple months of footy left, maybe more if we are good enough, but...

Duffy and Monohan do my head in.
Monohan has some serious pace but...jury is out after 2 years
Duffy is a huge athletic specimen but......jury is out after 1 year

Who thinks we keep the Internationals or get new ones in?

Primary list is a minimum of 36, maximum 38. Rookie deals make up the difference to 44.

Supplemental players, SSP or MSD, are on rookie deals.

Rookie deals are year-to-year, up to three years. But, that can be extended out to four & five years if players have fewer than the allowed number of games against their name. I can’t remember the limits off the top of my head, but Skull had to be promoted.

I’m not sure what the rules are with international players. I know that it’s not a cheap exercise to recruit them. Whether that’s an allocation of Footy Dept spend (therefore soft cap), or some other bucket of cash, is what I’m unsure of.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2026 12:57 pm 
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Speculation that the rookie list will be abolished from next year. Whether that means a primary list of 44 to make up for that is uncertain


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2026 1:28 pm 
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Speculation that the rookie list will be abolished from next year. Whether that means a primary list of 44 to make up for that is uncertain
I hope so, it makes sense.

Why waste two list spots on Irish guys that may or may not make, when there are two guys in the VFL that are already better and just as capable of developing further?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2026 3:14 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Hey Crusader or anyone else

I'm looking the make up of the List numbers.

We currently have 46 players including 2 LTI extras (Derksen for Motlop; Riley for Carroll)

39 Listed (includes the 2 extras)
5 Rookies (Lord, Carroll, Evans, Young, Charleson)
2 Internationals ( Monohan, Duffy)

46 players on our website List

AFL allows can 44-48 players on the list
I thought it was a split of 38 primary and 6 rookies = 44.
What other variations are there?

Which Rookies do we have promote if we want to retain them in 2027?
The Internationals are confusing me.
If we discard them that leaves us with 44 players ie keep the LTI replacements.

I know there's a couple months of footy left, maybe more if we are good enough, but...

Duffy and Monohan do my head in.
Monohan has some serious pace but...jury is out after 2 years
Duffy is a huge athletic specimen but......jury is out after 1 year

Who thinks we keep the Internationals or get new ones in?

Primary list is a minimum of 36, maximum 38. Rookie deals make up the difference to 44.

Supplemental players, SSP or MSD, are on rookie deals.

Rookie deals are year-to-year, up to three years. But, that can be extended out to four & five years if players have fewer than the allowed number of games against their name. I can’t remember the limits off the top of my head, but Skull had to be promoted.

I’m not sure what the rules are with international players. I know that it’s not a cheap exercise to recruit them. Whether that’s an allocation of Footy Dept spend (therefore soft cap), or some other bucket of cash, is what I’m unsure of.


I don't know why AFL site suggests 44-48 other than nepo baby GCS are allowed to have 48

44 Players includes all Cat A. But can't find any info to suggest the Cat B is counted in the 44, but I assume it is. (the bonus of the Cat B is we can find them outside the draft)

Here's the catch.

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Clubs can now list one Irish player as a Category B rookie but for each additional Irish player rookie listed, that player will be deemed to be a Category A rookie and the club will forfeit its last selection in the Rookie Draft for each additional player listed.

https://www.afl.com.au/about-afl/rookie-players

Monohan must be our Cat B, and Duffy must be included as a Cat A. They are not Tuohy. They are not even Aisake. Pity Byrne and Sheehan got injured. Pace to burn. I say move them on and find one beauty we can develop. It is a free hit. We are looking for a freak profile to give us an advantage over the opposition, who is a good chance of developing.

I'm glad the AFL is getting rid of the rookies, and adjust the salary cap accordingly.

We have 46 players. I think we delist Monohan and Duffy making our list 44 players in this last uncompromised Draft with 18 teams also canvassing the State leagues. Start the delisting from there (age next year):

Fogarty (27), Saad (32), Elijah (24), Boyd (28), F.Young (25), Williams (32), Gov (32) = 7 Delisted (plus Monohan and Duffy) for 4x Draftees (incl Walker) , 3x Trade in/FA ... if we can find a replacement for Lewis Young then him or Derksen. I'd keep Haynes if he is still playing well come years end, as depth to teach the kids in VFL.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 11:19 am 
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Carlton met with free agent Buku Khamis during the Western Bulldogs' recent bye week, renewing the club's interest in the key defender. The meeting comes just months after the Blues missed out on a deadline day deal for Khamis last October. More in today's @gettable_afl

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 12:02 pm 
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I don't get the obsession with Buku.

Do I need to watch more Doggies games? He looks very average whenever I've seen him.

Although his potential as a forward intrigues me a little, especially with McGovern getting close to the end.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 12:30 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
I don't get the obsession with Buku.

Do I need to watch more Doggies games? He looks very average whenever I've seen him.

Although his potential as a forward intrigues me a little, especially with McGovern getting close to the end.

He’s not the easiest sell, especially for the money we’re about to pay him.

But, he’s an athletic flanker that is also a very nice kick of the footy. He won’t shit himself as the deepest back, and he can cause a few stutter steps when he sneaks forward.

The money will absolutely trigger a few, but it’s a necessary evil to create a first round pick.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 1:42 pm 
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Great chat with Jon Ralph/Nick Austin

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ ... position=1

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 1:55 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
I don't get the obsession with Buku.


Nor do I. He's 191cm so he's 3rd tall at best. Plus he loses 42.4% of his defensive 1v1's. If we're looking for a back up key defender, I'd rather we retain Derksen or look at a different option. Maybe even Jordan Butts. 198cm and defends better. That allows O'Farrell to come in and play as the intercepting tall and learn the caper without minding gorillas.
Plus I'd suggest he'd come quite a bit cheaper.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 3:05 pm 
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This is for Sydney Blue. Explaining why not Dan Houston.

After consulting with Voss, who had lured Dan Houston, Austin explains the decision to select a high end kid from the super draft instead of Houiston.

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Carlton played finals in 2023 and 2024 and yet despite the progress made with this list we were realistic about what we had achieved and what needed to change.
We made a preliminary final in 2023 and we were five goals up at quarter time against Brisbane at the Gabba.
We were so close – two more goals from breaking Brisbane and having one foot in a grand final.
But you also have to be realistic that we won two finals by a kick that September.
The Swans game was an arm wrestle we won by six points and the Melbourne semi-final the Demons kicked 9.17 and their last five scoring shots were all behinds.
So that game was on a knife-edge and if we lost the Swans final we are out in the first round.

So we felt the list was still in transition, we had a number of players who were historically injured and either way change was coming.
We had to evolve and keep up with the game.
We were a strong contest-pressure team scoring from stoppage but that wasn’t the way the game was going....

...Dan’s a terrific player and he would have helped anyone lucky enough to get him.
It was more about where we are right now at Carlton?


Then they showed Jagga Smith's highlight reel

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So it’s give and take with your coach. He has to coach the team. And it wasn’t until we sat in a room with Vossy and showed him the vision, he was like, ‘Wow, I can see where you are going with this’.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/trade-secrets-episode-1-nick-austin-lifts-the-lid-on-carltons-key-draft-and-trade-decisions-at-the-end-of-the-michael-voss-era/news-story/e4c26e494d2d8f57550ee2c8a949030d?utm_source=CodeSports&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=CS_DAILY_BREAKING_01&net_sub_id=285774684&type=curated_collection&position=1

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 3:06 pm 
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From the same interview in thee Herald Sun, Austin gives his thoughts about O'Farrell and the Campo twins.

Surrey Blue is going to love this

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So we were able to get Jagga at pick 3, key defender Harry O’Farrell at pick 40 and the Camporeale boys.

O’Farrell is a real interceptor with huge talent and he and Harry Dean will play a lot of fotoy with Jacob Weitering behind them.

I still believe in the Camporeale boys, Ben and Lucas.

Some players take time. You see what Billy Wilson is doing now after nearly two and a half years of VFL football. They are fantastic kids, they are hard trainers, and whatever happens with those kids it’s not going to be through lack of trying or attention to detail if they don’t get there.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 3:18 pm 
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RE Charlie Curnow trade.

Basically the Melbourne bubble got to him. His body didnt allow him to play freely, form suffererd and the fans were everywhere; in the streets, at the club, and certainly at the game. Club knew he needed out of Melbourne; No 1 Geelong and happy to go to Sydney.

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He had some ankle and knee concerns across the summer and was never quite at his best that season.

He is used to leaping at the ball at its highest point then using his second efforts to win that ground ball but his body didn’t really let him do that all year.

Once he got injured again in round 20 and it was apparent he wasn’t going to play again that is when the talks started to ramp up again with his manager Robbie D’Orazio.

Internally we knew he had grievances, for a lack of a better word. But there was nothing that couldn’t be resolved.
So we were still trying to work through that with him. And it did get to a stage where it was just the best thing for both parties.
He was going to get a fresh start.

And the footy club we were going to get something significant from a draft capital and also some players who could help us straight away that were going to set us up for the future.

It’s a strategic decision. What are we doing here?

If we can get Jagga Smith, Harry Dean and then Cody Walker the next year, it’s the right thing to do.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/trade-secrets-episode-1-nick-austin-lifts-the-lid-on-carltons-key-draft-and-trade-decisions-at-the-end-of-the-michael-voss-era/news-story/e4c26e494d2d8f57550ee2c8a949030d?utm_source=CodeSports&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=CS_DAILY_BREAKING_01&net_sub_id=285774684&type=curated_collection&position=1

Obviously we are not going to lose Walker, and the AFL screwed us with Dean and Walker.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 3:22 pm 
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Austin and Voss made decisions best for the club

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You make the best decisions that are for the club. And I can put my head on my pillow knowing I have done that. There’s a group of young guys there that we feel like are going to take the club forward. The list is a work in progress, which has been acknowledged.

But the cap space they have got is significant and will give them an opportunity to look at free agency and they can keep evolving and complimenting what they have got. It’s a pretty good platform to continue the improvement we have seen in recent weeks.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/news/trade-secrets-episode-1-nick-austin-lifts-the-lid-on-carltons-key-draft-and-trade-decisions-at-the-end-of-the-michael-voss-era/news-story/e4c26e494d2d8f57550ee2c8a949030d?utm_source=CodeSports&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Editorial&utm_content=CS_DAILY_BREAKING_01&net_sub_id=285774684&type=curated_collection&position=1

Free Agents at the end of 2026 and 2027 (the first compromised Draft.

Can't help but think we are in a great spot with the kids we have firing, returning from injury and developing, backed up by experienced book ends and a powerful midfield.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 3:27 pm 
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TAFKA BamBam7 wrote:
I don't get the obsession with Buku.


Nor do I. He's 191cm so he's 3rd tall at best. Plus he loses 42.4% of his defensive 1v1's. If we're looking for a back up key defender, I'd rather we retain Derksen or look at a different option. Maybe even Jordan Butts. 198cm and defends better. That allows O'Farrell to come in and play as the intercepting tall and learn the caper without minding gorillas.
Plus I'd suggest he'd come quite a bit cheaper.


I prefer Jordan Butts. Powerful. IMO, could release O'Farrell forward if we have trouble finding a KPF to wax with Harry.

No doubt Buku can play the intercepting defender role, but I see Buku as an athletic leaping flanker: Govs height. Can play forward too, but not KPF or KPD.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2026 4:13 pm 
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Looking at our Best Team in 2023
Players gone highlighted.

B: McGovern Weitering Cincotta
HB: Saad Marchbank Newman
C: Hollands Cripps Acres
R: Pittonet Walsh Cerra
HF: Martin McKay Docherty
F: Motlop Curnow DeKoning

IC: Boyd Hewett Cottrell Fogarty Kennedy
INJ: Williams

E: Kemp Cuningham Owies E.Curnow

Developing: Cowan Carroll Philp Lemmey O'Keefe

Change is inevitable.

In 2024 Houston didnt have a good first year at Collingwood due to injury.

Retrospectively, looking at the age profile and need to look past injury prone players we needed to replace and add youth before the Tasmanian compromised drafts.

Since 2023 we added kids Moir Wilson Lord Smith O'Farrell L.Campo B.Campo Charleson Evans F.Young Dean Byrne Ison Riley
and, mature players E.Hollands Ainsworth Hayward Florent Derksen Reidy Chesser

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