Michael Voss senior coach since Sept 2021: Simmo to Blues

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 11:16 am

Braithy wrote:

let me ask you bondi... is this just an unfortunate incident, and it's no ones fault, nothing to see here, lets move on?

My position is obvious.
I am not insensitive with regard to this matter, and I do want an outcome. I have said so. Leave it to the enquiry.

I, like everyone else, don't know what happened and why?
I think the easiest thing to do for some is to lay the boots into anyone at the club to relieve our frustrations for our failures thus far this year.

I have no doubt between the club, the individual, the AFL, and the AFLPA there will be no stone left unturned in this ongoing investigation. I think that's perfect.
There's an investigation going on because there are so many questions needing answers, and that's because there is so many unknowns. So lets quit the absolutes at this stage of proceedings. That's all I'm saying.

I really don't like witch hunts or war.

Like everyone, including you, I look forward to finding out what went wrong, but I also think there may be an innocent flipside. Possibly a case of Elijah masking his episode really well in a pressure game time scenario. There's a lot going on in huddles during game time. Its a high pressure cooker environment, not just for supporters but for players and coaches too. They dont have time to think about too much. Decisions are on the spur of the moment. Players need to listen, adjust and play their role.

Until I know the outcomes, I'm not shooting off my mouth, pointing fingers, frothing from the mouth and blaming anyone. It is a really sensitive situation. Everything I'm reading and hearing is purely speculative.

The media say they care about Elijah's welfare, but have a look at the headlines and the coverage they feed the public on the matter. Opinions are flying left right and centre. Opinions, not facts. From Armchair experts; Keyboard Warriors; people paid for comment. Doesn't look like anything but speculation being made up about guilt, fines, sackings, and even having a go at Elijahs team mates, who, like him, their primary purpose and focus at the MCG was to beat the Pies. Elijah may have hidden his moment of weakness, or slipped through the cracks in all that pressure cooker environment. Think about it. Think about yourself in a Final, because that's what a Pies Blues game is like. Where is your focus? Injuries, Cuts, blood sprains, breaks and bruises are superfluous in that situation. What do we have to do about the win is the sole objective.

I can't understand how some people are believing everything the media feeds them. It is ALL speculation till we have an outcome. Simple.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 7781

Braithy wrote:

sinbagger wrote:

How can all you bagging the club not understand the the psychologist cleared Elijah to play in every game this year and also cleared him to stay on the ground last Thursday night.

The club Psychologist.

Not the head coach, not the line coaches, not the players, not the GM, not the bootstudder. The psychologist.

You are all expecting the coaches and players to override the psychologists professional diagnosis. Just think on that.

As I said in the other thread, the AFL can get other psychologists to examine the club psychologist's diagnosis, but they can't fine the club for following the psychologists advice, unless they find the club psychologist behaved unethically and people at Carlton knew it. That a long bow to draw.

if the club pysch did do that, he no longer has a job and cfc (as his employer, and ultimately responsible for duty of care) will have a significant fine. maynard said after the game, that if he saw someone struggling like elijah clearly was, he'd have overruled anyone on saying they're fine to continue.

leaders do those kinds of things.

the main thing is elijah's health and support from here. footy is such a drop in the ocean and means little at the end of the day. he's got the rest of his life to live. i hope he's receiving that as a message right now.

Well if Maynard (the dirty player he is) said that, then Cripps, Walsh and Weitering should all be sacked, they are clearly not leaders.
Again we don't know all the facts and allowing external people to attack the club is one thing, but using that to attack your own club is another.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 11:36 am

I must have missed the part where the paragon of virtue Maynard brought his concerns to the attention of anyone at our club. FMD.

london blue · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:08 pm **Posts:** 3471

bondiblue wrote:

Braithy wrote:

let me ask you bondi... is this just an unfortunate incident, and it's no ones fault, nothing to see here, lets move on?

My position is obvious.
I am not insensitive with regard to this matter, and I do want an outcome. I have said so. Leave it to the enquiry.

I, like everyone else, don't know what happened and why?
I think the easiest thing to do for some is to lay the boots into anyone at the club to relieve our frustrations for our failures thus far this year.

I have no doubt between the club, the individual, the AFL, and the AFLPA there will be no stone left unturned in this ongoing investigation. I think that's perfect.
There's an investigation going on because there are so many questions needing answers, and that's because there is so many unknowns. So lets quit the absolutes at this stage of proceedings. That's all I'm saying.

I really don't like witch hunts or war.

Like everyone, including you, I look forward to finding out what went wrong, but I also think there may be an innocent flipside. Possibly a case of Elijah masking his episode really well in a pressure game time scenario. There's a lot going on in huddles during game time. Its a high pressure cooker environment, not just for supporters but for players and coaches too. They dont have time to think about too much. Decisions are on the spur of the moment. Players need to listen, adjust and play their role.

Until I know the outcomes, I'm not shooting off my mouth, pointing fingers, frothing from the mouth and blaming anyone. It is a really sensitive situation. Everything I'm reading and hearing is purely speculative.

The media say they care about Elijah's welfare, but have a look at the headlines and the coverage they feed the public on the matter. Opinions are flying left right and centre. Opinions, not facts. From Armchair experts; Keyboard Warriors; people paid for comment. Doesn't look like anything but speculation being made up about guilt, fines, sackings, and even having a go at Elijahs team mates, who, like him, their primary purpose and focus at the MCG was to beat the Pies. Elijah may have hidden his moment of weakness, or slipped through the cracks in all that pressure cooker environment. Think about it. Think about yourself in a Final, because that's what a Pies Blues game is like. Where is your focus? Injuries, Cuts, blood sprains, breaks and bruises are superfluous in that situation. What do we have to do about the win is the sole objective.

I can't understand how some people are believing everything the media feeds them. It is ALL speculation till we have an outcome. Simple.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Well said Bondi

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:02 pm

GreatEx wrote:

Traveller86 wrote:

A bunch of arrogant, elitist know it alls who think they’re the sole authority on all things Carlton.

One in particular has made some laughably deluded predictions over the last 18 months which have seen the total, horrific opposite outcomes, yet continue to double down on their toxic positivity towards all things Carlton.

And they have the audacity to try and silence those who ask questions and actually notice that things are very, very bad at the club right now.

I assume you're having a pop at Bondi primarily, but I am also one who makes consciously optimistic predictions that don't work out. Perhaps there's something about being outside the Melbourne bubble that gives us a less doom-spiralled mindset - sinners is also inclined towards positivity, and Sydders... well, he's a special chap isn't he

- but I feel that supporting a football club is an act of faith and loyalty, and it does me no good to wallow in cynicism and self pity - there's enough of that in the world.

In either case, no matter how passionately we argue for a bit of positive balance, nor how dismissive we can sometimes be to the glass 3/4 empty set, no one is trying to silence anyone else. You can't possibly believe this place lacks negativity, surely?

Of course Trav is referring to me. He's likes to be always right. Problem is, the sky is always falling.

Think about that phrase "Toxic Positivity". Heavy.
What is that all about? Toxic Positivity! :lol:

Trav has some serious issues going on between his ears behind that froth and bubble of steam.
I can't recall any prdictions I have made that have been correct or incorrect. Predictions?
Did I ever make the prediction Carlton WILL WIN the flag this year? Carlton WILL win this week?
I can't recall acting like Nostradamus.

What's it to him if I have a positive view on life and football? We is it so distasteful for him? He has his views, I have mine. Anything wrong with that?

I enjoy the highs and lows of footy. For some footy is life and death instead of what it really is: a journey. It is a game that takes you to all parts of your mind. A game of illusions. How you handle yourself in this game, is how you choose to treat yourself.

I love my life. Filled with freedom, adventure, danger, excitement, aesthetics, people, parties, pandemonium. Its all good. Important to know is how to handle it all and what works for you. IMO it is pointless following a team, let alone playing for one if it makes you upset and angry, win or lose. Unless you like to be angry and upset.

When I was U17, I played for a senior team who only won one a game in two seasons, but week in week out, we were all striving for the same goal, to win a game every week. We knew we tried our best because we gave it our all, in fact, we made the Front Page of The Sporting Globe for all the wrong reasons, "Is this Australia's Dirtiest Team", but all to do with trying to win against the unbeatable. Sure we lost but we still patted each other on the back for effort. We just weren't good enough. In my mid 20's I played for a team who were undefeated for 3 years winning Back 2 Back 2 front Flags. Our focus was to win every week. Only difference, we had the cattle to win, and patted each other on the back for effort made to win, and we sang the song for reward. Both experiences were great experiences, in my mind. The game served me well. As for Carlton, between 1968-2001, Carlton gave me my fondest memories of footy because of their success. But the failures were so important too because they highlighted inevitable change. You see, nothing stays the same.Change is inevitable, so you have to go with the flow at times to have some perspective and balance with your POV.

We, Carlton, are heading towards a Premiership, whenever that is; no guarantees. We support the team through thick and thin. We make mistakes, we have a bit of luck, we have a bit of bad luck. There are some facts we look at on a Monday morning like the W and L and ladder position, and look at what went right and what went wrong. Some things can't be fixed during the year nor in one year. That's reality. We look forward to the next challenge. That's life.

There are positives and negatives to be taken from every loss and every win. Its not ALL good and ALL bad. Positives and Negatives. Forces of life. Funny that life works that way. I wouldn't change it for the world, because it can all be fun, if you look at it that way. As for Trav, he comes across as Mr Cloudy Day, basically every day. Sad that he finds positivity "toxic", and not the other way around. He needs to find balance in life's journey. That's up to him.

Things are not as bad as they seem, nor as good as they seem.

Always look at the bright side of life. Cheer up. Go Blues. Always.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7846

camel wrote:

I must have missed the part where the paragon of virtue Maynard brought his concerns to the attention of anyone at our club. FMD.

lol

... that was my point. if maynard would stick up for a mate and do what's right inside his club. regardless of what the doctors said... there's no excuse that ours didn't. yeah?

i'm hearing some pretty messed up things thru the network. carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc

so yeah, listening to maynard inside a healthy and connected footy culture and how he'd approach the situation... and then contrasting that with how ours handled it. .

we're beyond broken and embarassing. we can't even make st kilda jokes anymore. we've gone past them.

i get it's a forum and it mostly consists of one-eyed supporters that know no other way than to back their club. i think we're at the point where we question why we are so blindly doing that.

missnaut · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:31 pm

I don't give a flying @#$%&! what a moron like Brayden Maynard thinks and I don't know why The Age felt like he needed a platform.

Wait yes I do, clicks.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 12:45 pm

Braithy wrote:

camel wrote:

I must have missed the part where the paragon of virtue Maynard brought his concerns to the attention of anyone at our club. FMD.

lol

... that was my point. if maynard would stick up for a mate and do what's right inside his club. regardless of what the doctors said... there's no excuse that ours didn't. yeah?

i'm hearing some pretty messed up things thru the network. carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc

so yeah, listening to maynard inside a healthy and connected footy culture and how he'd approach the situation... and then contrasting that with how ours handled it. .

we're beyond broken and embarassing. we can't even make st kilda jokes anymore. we've gone past them.

i get it's a forum and it mostly consists of one-eyed supporters that know no other way than to back their club. i think we're at the point where we question why we are so blindly doing that.

Carlton has helped me teach my boys about loyalty, and keeping their chin up in adversity. You have to back your family, friends , city, state, country, religion and team. How you deal with the challenges that come with that reflects on your personality and character. All good stuff.

You've said to change our fortunes is as simple as changing our coach. Last year and this year.

I don't know, but you may be correct.

I would rather find out the gaps within our team, and fill them, rather than give up with a white flag and say "we're beyond broken and embarassing. we can't even make st kilda jokes anymore. we've gone past them."

One year, two years of being down ... is just a moment in time, not forever. Change is inevitable. You must admit braithy, because of your exposure in Media, you do like to use colourful words to paint a picture. Your heart may be broken by Carlton, but Carlton is not "beyond broken". Exaggeration? Not fixable? Life goes on big buddy, and Carlton will outlive both of us. I want a Flag. We all want a Flag. We thought we could snag one by 2027. Some said we have the players, but Vossy's game plan wont take this group there. Lets get rid of Vossy. Breath innnnnn. Breath outttt.

Is it fact or rumour that....." Carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc" . Simple question. Fact or Rumour? Source? or if you dont want to give us your source: Should we believe this to be the case, as fact?

Crusader · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 1:02 pm

missnaut wrote:

I don't give a flying @#$%&! what a moron like Brayden Maynard thinks and I don't know why The Age felt like he needed a platform.

Wait yes I do, clicks.

I’m not about to tip my cap to the teflon tattletales, but that doesn’t mean Braithy is wrong here.

The sulk from the leadership group has to stop. It’s a baptism of fire for Travis Boak, but that’s the job he took on.

The malaise from the footy department has to end. They’re just about all new hires, within the last 18 months or so. HP, Doctor, assistant coaches, number crunchers, the lot of them. Get it together, or it’s scorched earth - to be buried under the rubble of the Heatley & Harris stands.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7846

bondiblue wrote:

Braithy wrote:

camel wrote:

I must have missed the part where the paragon of virtue Maynard brought his concerns to the attention of anyone at our club. FMD.

lol

... that was my point. if maynard would stick up for a mate and do what's right inside his club. regardless of what the doctors said... there's no excuse that ours didn't. yeah?

i'm hearing some pretty messed up things thru the network. carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc

so yeah, listening to maynard inside a healthy and connected footy culture and how he'd approach the situation... and then contrasting that with how ours handled it. .

we're beyond broken and embarassing. we can't even make st kilda jokes anymore. we've gone past them.

i get it's a forum and it mostly consists of one-eyed supporters that know no other way than to back their club. i think we're at the point where we question why we are so blindly doing that.

Carlton has helped me teach my boys about loyalty, and keeping their chin up in adversity. You have to back your family, friends , city, state, country, religion and team. How you deal with the challenges that come with that reflects on your personality and character. All good stuff.

You've said to change our fortunes is as simple as changing our coach. Last year and this year.

I don't know, but you may be correct.

I would rather find out the gaps within our team, and fill them, rather than give up with a white flag and say "we're beyond broken and embarassing. we can't even make st kilda jokes anymore. we've gone past them."

One year, two years of being down ... is just a moment in time, not forever. Change is inevitable. You must admit braithy, because of your exposure in Media, you do like to use colourful words to paint a picture. Your heart may be broken by Carlton, but Carlton is not "beyond broken". Exaggeration? Not fixable? Life goes on big buddy, and Carlton will outlive both of us. I want a Flag. We all want a Flag. We thought we could snag one by 2027. Some said we have the players, but Vossy's game plan wont take this group there. Lets get rid of Vossy. Breath innnnnn. Breath outttt.

Is it fact or rumour that....." Carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc" . Simple question. Fact or Rumour? Source? or if you dont want to give us your source: Should we believe this to be the case, as fact?

30 years and counting of being bad, big chief. that is more than just a moment.

you get pretty bullish about things, and i love your positivty. if you trawl back thru some of my posts ... i've said we aren't far off it, and things can turn on a dime - and i've cited hawks going from mass rebuild to a finals in the same year under mitchell. now, look at the Dees. i don't get bullish like you, but i'm the closest i've been about our current ills, and how quickly it can turn.

2024 offseason was the time for us to go - the longer we miss our window, the further behind we fall. 2024 trade harry for picks and a bonafide small forward - ie getting our list more modern. swap voss, and reload. with harry's cap, we could have made a play for barrass etc

we don't want to be richmond and wait for the list to be cooked and then intro a million new drafts picks into our system in one hit. tigers get a pass, bcos they have 3 flags to show for, before they completely bottomed out.

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Is it fact or rumour that....." Carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc" . Simple question. Fact or Rumour? Source? or if you dont want to give us your source: Should we believe this to be the case, as fact?

this elijah thing is a mess. i hope and (i'm not much of a god person) but i pray he's doing good, and not thinking of ending it. that would be it for me and carlton and afl in general, if that were to happen.

as far as your question. it's fact old mate, as in i implicitly trust the person who told me and where they get their info. he's an ex player from the blues now somewhat in media.

... his source came direct from a cfc player from thursday night. not all players were alert to the fact; but there were a group that knew elijah was having an episode and the instruction was not to kick to him, no matter what.

as far as which players knew? all i'll say, the player elijah flipped off when he was wide open running in space and ignored in the 3rd qtr, was a mid.

i'm pretty positive this will all come out in the coming days as the afl investigate us. i'm not sure cfc can bullshit and gaslight their way out of this one, bcos there's actual players ready to go against the club's wishes and speak out.

Effes · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 1:26 pm

Xander McGuire
@XanderMcGuire7

WorkSafe Victoria is now looking into Carlton over its handling of Elijah Hollands on Thursday night at the MCG. @7AFL @7NewsMelbourne

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/worksafe ... c-22170775

GreatEx · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 1:29 pm

@braithy Tell Doc I said hi

FarmerBlue · **Joined:** Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 am **Posts:** 1503

im just a quiet supporter. followed club for more than 60 years and dont comment much

if i thought last 30 years was bad and couldnt get worse i was wrong. what a mess. i dont know who or why but this should never have happened. i assume club knew his issues when they re-signed him. i always wondered why we re-signed him when we delisted him. Voss was highlighly critical of him on radio

we then bring him back and allow this. if you bring a kid back with any issues like he has you must watch them and we didnt. to then say we knew he was struggling and do nothing is plane incompetent

just a sad event all around and may set us back again. i feel the afl will go after us and make an example of our club

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 1:50 pm

Braithy wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

Braithy wrote:

camel wrote:

I must have missed the part where the paragon of virtue Maynard brought his concerns to the attention of anyone at our club. FMD.

lol

... that was my point. if maynard would stick up for a mate and do what's right inside his club. regardless of what the doctors said... there's no excuse that ours didn't. yeah?

i'm hearing some pretty messed up things thru the network. carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc

so yeah, listening to maynard inside a healthy and connected footy culture and how he'd approach the situation... and then contrasting that with how ours handled it. .

we're beyond broken and embarassing. we can't even make st kilda jokes anymore. we've gone past them.

i get it's a forum and it mostly consists of one-eyed supporters that know no other way than to back their club. i think we're at the point where we question why we are so blindly doing that.

Carlton has helped me teach my boys about loyalty, and keeping their chin up in adversity. You have to back your family, friends , city, state, country, religion and team. How you deal with the challenges that come with that reflects on your personality and character. All good stuff.

You've said to change our fortunes is as simple as changing our coach. Last year and this year.

I don't know, but you may be correct.

I would rather find out the gaps within our team, and fill them, rather than give up with a white flag and say "we're beyond broken and embarassing. we can't even make st kilda jokes anymore. we've gone past them."

One year, two years of being down ... is just a moment in time, not forever. Change is inevitable. You must admit braithy, because of your exposure in Media, you do like to use colourful words to paint a picture. Your heart may be broken by Carlton, but Carlton is not "beyond broken". Exaggeration? Not fixable? Life goes on big buddy, and Carlton will outlive both of us. I want a Flag. We all want a Flag. We thought we could snag one by 2027. Some said we have the players, but Vossy's game plan wont take this group there. Lets get rid of Vossy. Breath innnnnn. Breath outttt.

Is it fact or rumour that....." Carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc" . Simple question. Fact or Rumour? Source? or if you dont want to give us your source: Should we believe this to be the case, as fact?

30 years and counting of being bad, big chief. that is more than just a moment.

you get pretty bullish about things, and i love your positivty. if you trawl back thru some of my posts ... i've said we aren't far off it, and things can turn on a dime - and i've cited hawks going from mass rebuild to a finals in the same year under mitchell. now, look at the Dees. i don't get bullish like you, but i'm the closest i've been about our current ills, and how quickly it can turn.

2024 offseason was the time for us to go - the longer we miss our window, the further behind we fall. 2024 trade harry for picks and a bonafide small forward - ie getting our list more modern. swap voss, and reload. with harry's cap, we could have made a play for barrass etc

we don't want to be richmond and wait for the list to be cooked and then intro a million new drafts picks into our system in one hit. tigers get a pass, bcos they have 3 flags to show for, before they completely bottomed out.

Quote:

Is it fact or rumour that....." Carlton players knew elijah was cooked, and were purposely excluding him from play, and not kicking to him etc" . Simple question. Fact or Rumour? Source? or if you dont want to give us your source: Should we believe this to be the case, as fact?

this elijah thing is a mess. i hope and (i'm not much of a god person) but i pray he's doing good, and not thinking of ending it. that would be it for me and carlton and afl in general, if that were to happen.

as far as your question. it's fact old mate, as in i implicitly trust the person who told me and where they get their info. he's an ex player from the blues now somewhat in media.

... his source came direct from a cfc player from thursday night. not all players were alert to the fact; but there were a group that knew elijah was having an episode and the instruction was not to kick to him, no matter what.

as far as which players knew? all i'll say, the player elijah flipped off when he was wide open running in space and ignored in the 3rd qtr, was a mid.

i'm pretty positive this will all come out in the coming days as the afl investigate us. i'm not sure cfc can bullshit and gaslight their way out of this one, bcos there's actual players ready to go against the club's wishes and speak out.

Sad if true. I will accept you have heard this. I will wait for the details to be released, and they will.

30 years ago we played in a GF: 1999.

I know 25 years have gone by and it all seems like one long period, but within each of those decades we had a chance to right the ship, looked promising, but failed.

I see this decade as a separate decade from the previous two. Different personnel off and on field, and different rules imposed by AFL on field and off field.

Moment in time depends on how much of a hurry one is in....and we have to be practical. We can't rush things that may need time...a moment of time....may be a couple years, but its not forever. That's what I mean by a moment in time. In the big scheme of things, say 30 years, a couple of years is a moment in time.

I see we have a bunch of good players (Weitering Walsh McKay Hayward Ainsworth Newman Florent Cerra Williams) and future stars: O'Farrell Dean Jagga Walker Carroll Cowan Lord Byrne ison...maybe Moir, to name a few. Theres a good base to work from. A mix of young and old.

Lets not waste this opportunity and build on this group. It wont happen overnight but within a couple of years, 2027-28 we can turn this around IF......

and things have to go right. Same for all teams. I acknowledge that. There's no guarantees. For any team. But we have to increase our chances for success end of this year, and during this year. I am sure that is what GW is seeing and thinking ... he better be. I can't make him do anything, nor do I profess I know better. I have a hunch things arent as bad as you think. ie beyond broken. Sorry, but that's how I tic. You make me toc. :wink:

I know you love Carlton as much as I do. We are different. Good different.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 1:53 pm

GreatEx wrote:

@braithy Tell Doc I said hi

Clever.
Aint too many ex Carltonians in the media these days.
I didn't even try to think who it could be.

This Elijah thing is so upsetting. Just read his dads post. Sad.
Couldn't really give a shit what the fallout is for the club. It wont be points, wont be picks.
Whatever.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 1:59 pm

FarmerBlue wrote:

im just a quiet supporter. followed club for more than 60 years and dont comment much

if i thought last 30 years was bad and couldnt get worse i was wrong. what a mess. i dont know who or why but this should never have happened. i assume club knew his issues when they re-signed him. i always wondered why we re-signed him when we delisted him. Voss was highlighly critical of him on radio

we then bring him back and allow this. if you bring a kid back with any issues like he has you must watch them and we didnt. to then say we knew he was struggling and do nothing is plane incompetent

just a sad event all around and may set us back again. i feel the afl will go after us and make an example of our club

If we deserve the strap, we deserve it.

I think its a bit more complicated than you think. Club has Psychologist and Doctors in place to guide them.

Like you, nearly 60 years Bagger. Nothing cuts deeper than our first spoon and the penalties we copped from Evans and demetriou for me.

We will get back on our bike, and continue riding out our journey forward.

One more flag. Please sir. Can I have one more? Then we will be back on top and can focus on the one after that with more confidence.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7846

GreatEx wrote:

@braithy Tell Doc I said hi

he is one of us. a true diehard, and wants us to win more than anything.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 2:00 pm

Effes wrote:

Xander McGuire
@XanderMcGuire7

WorkSafe Victoria is now looking into Carlton over its handling of Elijah Hollands on Thursday night at the MCG. @7AFL @7NewsMelbourne

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/worksafe ... c-22170775

Effes

No stone will be left unturned.

FarmerBlue · **Joined:** Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:10 am **Posts:** 1503

bondiblue wrote:

I think its a bit more complicated than you think. Club has Psychologist and Doctors in place to guide them.

not sure what you mean. how is it more complicated and if club had drs to guide him how was it allowed to happen

Crusader · **Posted:** Tue Apr 21, 2026 2:15 pm

bondiblue wrote:

FarmerBlue wrote:

im just a quiet supporter. followed club for more than 60 years and dont comment much

if i thought last 30 years was bad and couldnt get worse i was wrong. what a mess. i dont know who or why but this should never have happened. i assume club knew his issues when they re-signed him. i always wondered why we re-signed him when we delisted him. Voss was highlighly critical of him on radio

we then bring him back and allow this. if you bring a kid back with any issues like he has you must watch them and we didnt. to then say we knew he was struggling and do nothing is plane incompetent

just a sad event all around and may set us back again. i feel the afl will go after us and make an example of our club

If we deserve the strap, we deserve it.

I think its a bit more complicated than you think. Club has Psychologist and Doctors in place to guide them.

This is the point of failure, yeah?… and the first mistake we mere armchair experts are making, is to assume that the highlighted bit is true… It had better be, but it’s the first thing the club review needs to clear up. I suspect that’s where Worksafe have come into the picture.

As for in-game, that’s the match day staff. He should’ve been in the back row getting a cuddle from the club welfare people. Even - and especially - after he’s pulled the wool over the pre-game watchdogs.

If Vossy has asked the delegated staff “is he right or not?”, and they’ve gone to the laptop to check the GPS numbers, then they need to be reassigned.

Michael Voss senior coach since Sept 2021: Simmo to Blues

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