Yep Benny Gale the best administrator in football . Geez I'd love to have a bloke like him at our footy club .

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Difference is Hardwick changed his game plan and you could say he changed the way AFL was played back then by going small ball in the front half and using role players to do the dirty work and let the big names flourish.
Voss is stubborn and has not changed his contested game plan since he has arrived which worked well for 2 years until the Afl teams went to work on us and now he has nothing.

I don't think it's true that he hasn't changed, we've seen the team working on a transition game, we've seen them do more movement by hand, the blind over-the-head handballs (*cough* THROWS *cough*). At times it has worked, and we're also playing to the final siren better than we did early rounds, but now our new thing is having 5 minutes of centre circle obliteration where we ship 6 goals. It's whack-a-mole day, every day.

Yep, well said.

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Here is the difference
In 2016 Richmond finished 13 th
The talent was there but results were not
Everyone was calling for Hardwicks head
In comes Neil Balme
He recognises that Hardwick needs tactical support
He gets Leppitsch in
Along with Gale and ONeill they new how to solve the problem

The problem is the board at Carlton
Even if a correct decision is made by the various football departments the board overrides it because there more interested in money and image
Go back to when Malthouse was there
He wanted Carrazzo and Scotland as the leaders but the board overrides said no Marc Murphy is our captain because we want his head on the merch etc etc
And when a board members term winds up they will nominate another person cut from the same cloth
We are doomed until we get the right people run this club
If Balme was at Carlton he would tell the board to get [REDACTED]
The problem is this is the worst it’s been
Wrong coach wrong list wrong game plan
Our first round picks from Sydney will be around 15 to 20 at this rate
And this draft is the last draft before Tassie comes into the picture
A dumb club
And as usual the board escapes scrutiny
Watch the arse coverin ups this week over sending a guy onto the field loaded

The Swans first will be close to our 2nd and a wasted upgrade but as normal the AFL keep hurting us.
We made the trade in desperation because we needed r1 picks.
Until we stand up to them, we will go nowhere.

We hurt ourselves

Agree. Mentally weak from the top down. We should have had an injunction on them as soon as we heard the proposed changes.

I was on the more list issues and recruitment failures of past coming to roost more than totally Voss fault.

BUT, I can't do it anymore. This grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory might have been OK one or two times, but its now 5 times. It is seriously hurting me mentally and I can only imagine the impact on our players, let alone our supporters and members and membership numbers!

Voss has to go and I don't think it can wait until the end of this season. It needs to happen b4 the next game

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Perfectly said. You can only support someone or something for so long. I was the same until late last year.
Unfortunately, the new person will need to do a fair amount of reprogramming above the shoulders.
GW & CD will need to pick wisely.

I can only imagine the vast majority of them don’t give a @#$%&!.

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I agree with both Voss and Austin going.
I would really love to know why we have lost too many good players in recent years. I remember when Voss was coach at Brisbrane and they lost4-5 good players in the one year. Maybe he is the problem.
He seems to be a decent bloke but he has had 2 chances now and simply isn't good enough.
Regarding our membership numbers, they are down a fair bit from last year.

i honestly think we finish bottom 2 with tigers. so our pick alone would be enough to get walker, yeah?

Well, it certainty looks that way now. I would say the club didn't believe we would finish bottom 6 in the preseason. Sad, sad state.

voss puts on a good show in front of the cameras. behind them, he's an intense stress head. that level of intensity and stress just doesn't sit well with many people he comes across.

it served him well as a player and a captain of his peers; but not so much as a coach of a generation of kids he has little in common with.

hardwick's big knock was that he was too intense. he spent an offseason in USA looking at various sports programs there, and spent a large amount of time with sports psychs and mindfulness gurus.

he came back a changed person and was able to marry up his sheer intensity to win, and his new found communication skills, mindfulness and education about leading young men. the playing group ( mostly behind dusty and cotch), bought in 1000% and the rest is history.

that summer in the states and an ability to do what many never can through a whole lifetime - fundamental change at his core - is what saved hardwick's job, and what makes him a rare instance.

i understand some here would love to give voss more time and compare him to hardwick who was afforded time ... but hardwick himself had to make a seismic shift into who he was, to keep his job beyond that summer.

compare to voss. who spent his last offseason indulging in Fiji's delights to unplug and get away from the burning world of afl coaching.

and therein lies the difference between hardwick and michael. hardwick chose growth, voss chose escape.

Not sure I'd be going to the US to learn to be less of a cauliflower these days, mind

Running amok with them over there these days . Learn from the best .

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GWS - As much as a couple of players - McKay and I think Newman (?) have come out recently and said how "great" Voss is blah blah, I'd suggest that was flower rubbish and scripted to create some sense of positive optics.

The ultimate conundrum is the fluke win against the tigers aside, how is it that Voss and the other coaches plan/tactics/whatever have given the team (despite numerous issues with skill etc) a platform to basically be in a winning position for the other five games and yet fall apart, is inexplicable, unacceptable and unsustainable from here.

The list stuff is a burden which will kill us for some time, especially given this coming draft is the last one which is not "tainted" by the upcoming entry of Tassie. The next few drafts may as well belong to them for prime picks/opportunities. Our so called great haul of 3 first round picks for Charlie are going to be worth next to nothing as a result and given our horrific list management and recruitment history well..... I cannot see it getting much better within the next 5 years minimum.

Its like we are back at square one and up you know what creek without a paddle

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