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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2026 1:06 pm 
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That is my concern also, when our older players move on who do we have coming up.
Having an honest look at our list, who are our next potential A-Graders.
For me we only have:
Jagga
Dean
and potentially HOF and Byrne, but I think they will more likely be B graders.

Even our older players aren't much chop with Weitering being the only A Grader of the lot.
I really liked what I saw of HOF last year and am confident he will be an A-Grader if he stays healthy.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2026 1:32 pm 
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Humpers wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
That is my concern also, when our older players move on who do we have coming up.
Having an honest look at our list, who are our next potential A-Graders.
For me we only have:
Jagga
Dean
and potentially HOF and Byrne, but I think they will more likely be B graders.

Even our older players aren't much chop with Weitering being the only A Grader of the lot.
I really liked what I saw of HOF last year and am confident he will be an A-Grader if he stays healthy.

We can only hope.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2026 9:14 pm 
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Interesting take.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh6n8FbZFtU


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 7:35 am 
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a good watch.

he's telling us, what we deep down have known for a little minute now. Cripps and hewett in the same midfield don't hurt the oppo at all.

... and he's only looking one way - at metres gained. it takes a whole new level, when you look at what their direct opponent is gaining on them. it puts us at such a deficit, i'm not sure how balance it out.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 8:55 am 
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im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 10:17 am 
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Absolutely 100% LB.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 10:32 am 
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Swap Cripps for Butters, no one wants to do it or likes it, but it’s the best thing for the club.


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 Post subject: 2026 - What do we think?
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We'd have to throw in Jagga and Harry Dean.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 2:55 pm 
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london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.


Agree

Incredible how often the answer to the problem is found right under their nose.

Same goes with footy.

We have talent. Talent can play a number of roles. Mix it up in doses. Break the code

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 5:15 pm 
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Did someone just ask our coaches to mix it up or change it up? I must be dreamin..... lol


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 6:57 pm 
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london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.


Agree LB re: mixing it up in the midfield, however where do we hide Cripps when he's not there? He's no forward and even there they will run of him, the game has quickened up.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 7:52 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.


Agree LB re: mixing it up in the midfield, however where do we hide Cripps when he's not there? He's no forward and even there they will run of him, the game has quickened up.

Let’s give him a good run at it before knocking him out, he was one of our best against the tigers after being well down against the swans.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 8:52 pm 
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a good watch.

he's telling us, what we deep down have known for a little minute now. Cripps and hewett in the same midfield don't hurt the oppo at all.

... and he's only looking one way - at metres gained. it takes a whole new level, when you look at what their direct opponent is gaining on them. it puts us at such a deficit, i'm not sure how balance it out.

:thumbsup:
The stats don't lie:
Hewett: 149m against the Tigers, better but still a long way off.
Crippa: 278m against the Tigers, better, but Taranto still had 50m on him
Another match up was, Lalor who had 450m v Smith 303m

The biggest issue we have is midfield depth and in order to adjust the midfield mix we have to essentially get non midfielders from other areas of the ground (like Williams), which is digging one hole to fill another IMO. But that could be our only option.

Here is an article from last year about midfield compositions.
And we can all see the game has gone up a notch again this year with the new rules.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/1366579/the-new-midfield-stars-like-ed-richards-max-holmes-and-finn-callaghan-are-leaving-the-brownlow-bulls-behind

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With most clubs putting less emphasis on the clearance and contested elements of the game, inside bulls like Carlton star Patrick Cripps and those who dominated the Brownlow count back in 2021 are having fewer opportunities to make the impact they once did.

It doesn't mean the best ones are any less valuable, according to Bell, but they do need the right players around them for the midfield to function in transition.

Western Bulldogs champion Marcus Bontempelli, who was runner-up to Wines in the 2021 Brownlow Medal and remains arguably the game's best player, has been unaffected by the shifts given his versatility.

Dual Brownlow medallist Lachie Neale, meanwhile, has remained influential as an inside ball-winner but is enjoying more freedom as opposition teams now try to minimise Hugh McCluggage's transition damage.

"You still need to have a mix of both," Bell says.

"Patrick Cripps is a great player and he would fit into any midfield and be a really valuable player.

"But it's about what other pieces you can put around a clearance machine like Patty."


The answer is a 20y old kid at the moment who is only playing about 75% game time and even then that is probably too much for his fitness level.

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Coaches identify four different types of midfielders – the inside bull like Cripps, the transition midfielder like Smith or Holmes, the power midfielder/forward like Bailey Humphrey, and the defensive/structure midfielder, who will often protect the corridor and ensure the right balance is maintained. This is a role Scott Pendlebury appears to be playing in his 20th AFL season.

The art for stoppage coaches is to make sure their team has the right balance at all times and can compete at stoppages without losing running power when the game is in motion.

"You need a combination of guys, but if you're going to err on one side, I would err on the side of having more of the transition guys now," one leading midfield coach tells AFL.com.au.

"Against teams that like to score, you can't play as many slow, dour midfielders because you might need to kick over 100 points to win a final against the best teams this year.


"It can be harder to score with those guys if they don't turn up to as many contests, so there is a higher value now on the transition midfielders who can run and carry the ball off turnovers."


For us:
Inside Bull: Crippa (slow)
Defensive mid: Hewett (slow), Cerra (slow)
Power mid/forward: Jagga (not super quick, but very evasive and makes good space)
Transition mid: Walsh (not as quick as he used to be), Lord (can play as a defensive mid also)

Then who else do we have?
IMO due to a lack of depth and options, when we go against teams that have more Power or Transition players we get smoked.
Or when the above guys are being beaten in their positions, we have no one to replace them, they are the best we have.

If we were to make positional changes this is what I would do first.
Ollie back in the back pocket.
Florent on the wing with Carroll, both with CBA time as transition mids rotating with Chesser playing wing only when they go in.
Williams as a power mid/forward, especially with Newman back.
Cottrell as a transition mid that goes forward as long as his kicking is better.

Game plan to remain the same, just better suited athletes to combat other teams exploiting our 1 geared midfield and lack of spread.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 9:01 pm 
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london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.

Having them in the same 23 is not the problem, it's having 2 slow players in the midfield at the same time.
Especially against transition or power mids.

I agree we need to keep with the same game plan, we just need to move some pieces around as per my previous comment.

I would not put Ainsworth in the midfield, we are already too light in the F50 as it is and Moir is not up to AFL level yet.
He needs a solid run in the VFL to try and become more damaging.

But anyway you want to position it, our midfield needs more depth with actual midfielders, preferably ones that can kick goals.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 9:09 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.

Having them in the same 23 is not the problem, it's having 2 slow players in the midfield at the same time.
Especially against transition or power mids.

I agree we need to keep with the same game plan, we just need to move some pieces around as per my previous comment.

I would not put Ainsworth in the midfield, we are already too light in the F50 as it is and Moir is not up to AFL level yet.
He needs a solid run in the VFL to try and become more damaging.

But anyway you want to position it, our midfield needs more depth with actual midfielders, preferably ones that can kick goals.


We are 2 games into the season


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 9:19 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.

Having them in the same 23 is not the problem, it's having 2 slow players in the midfield at the same time.
Especially against transition or power mids.

I agree we need to keep with the same game plan, we just need to move some pieces around as per my previous comment.

I would not put Ainsworth in the midfield, we are already too light in the F50 as it is and Moir is not up to AFL level yet.
He needs a solid run in the VFL to try and become more damaging.

But anyway you want to position it, our midfield needs more depth with actual midfielders, preferably ones that can kick goals.


We are 2 games into the season

And we have only managed to be competitive for 4 out of the 8 quarters with 1 quarter having 12 goals kicked on us, the 3rd most in VFL/AFL history.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2026 10:17 pm 
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Let's not keep propagating channel 7's misleading stats.

The 75 points Sydney scored in that quarter is not in the top 20 single-quarter scores in VFL/AFL history.
On thirteen occasions a team has scored 13 or more goals in a quarter.
If you just look at 3rd quarters, their 75 points is equal 9th (it's the fourth time a team has scored 12.3 (75) in the third quarter).
If you just look at goals and only for the third quarter, then their 12 is equal third (it's been done ten times in Q3, and one team outscored then with 11.10 (76)).

So I guess if you were being extremely generous, you could say that the matchday commentators heard "equal third in third quarter goals" and whoopsie-daisy accidentally said third-highest single quarter score of all time. And since then, every podcaster and radio jibberjabberer has run with it, because it's fun to dunk on Carlton.

Meanwhile, losers like me keep pasting the same link over and over, hoping it'll eventually stick.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/qh.html


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2026 9:09 am 
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Let's not keep propagating channel 7's misleading stats.

The 75 points Sydney scored in that quarter is not in the top 20 single-quarter scores in VFL/AFL history.
On thirteen occasions a team has scored 13 or more goals in a quarter.
If you just look at 3rd quarters, their 75 points is equal 9th (it's the fourth time a team has scored 12.3 (75) in the third quarter).
If you just look at goals and only for the third quarter, then their 12 is equal third (it's been done ten times in Q3, and one team outscored then with 11.10 (76)).

So I guess if you were being extremely generous, you could say that the matchday commentators heard "equal third in third quarter goals" and whoopsie-daisy accidentally said third-highest single quarter score of all time. And since then, every podcaster and radio jibberjabberer has run with it, because it's fun to dunk on Carlton.

Meanwhile, losers like me keep pasting the same link over and over, hoping it'll eventually stick.
https://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/qh.html

Thanks GE.
I thought I read this somewhere.

Either way, it's not pretty.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2026 1:31 pm 
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Blue4ever wrote:
london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.


Agree LB re: mixing it up in the midfield, however where do we hide Cripps when he's not there? He's no forward and even there they will run of him, the game has quickened up.


make him our ruck. he moves and kicks like one already. may as well


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2026 1:32 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
london blue wrote:
im not doom and gloom on our list. We all draw from the same resource pool. and im not concerned about having Cripps and Hewett in the same 23.

I'd like us to continue to invest in a new game plan which we are clearly struggling to execute for 4 qtrs.

AND id like us to be more daring with a selection criteria.....which includes given players a run at it when they show some form and/or serve a go at the expense of an incumbent (eg Wilson).....however, the daring id really like us to push hard on is more rotation of midfield roles.....eg Florent, Ollie, Ainsworth, Moir.

Having them in the same 23 is not the problem, it's having 2 slow players in the midfield at the same time.
Especially against transition or power mids.

I agree we need to keep with the same game plan, we just need to move some pieces around as per my previous comment.

I would not put Ainsworth in the midfield, we are already too light in the F50 as it is and Moir is not up to AFL level yet.
He needs a solid run in the VFL to try and become more damaging.

But anyway you want to position it, our midfield needs more depth with actual midfielders, preferably ones that can kick goals.



this. you get it.


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