Maybe we try Moir, can't be worse than Fantasia

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just an observation from me,

but i feel like the biggest issue is our "brand" and with respect to that, i think our play style is dictated to us, by the teams we play. i.e. slow against Freo, playing into Freo's game plan. Super quick against Crows, playing into their game style ...

feel like we have over corrected and tried to make the turnover game the way to win, and I'm not saying there isn't some merit to that but feel like our game style is reactionary to our opponent, as opposed to playing to our strengths and forcing other teams to adapt/combat us.

re - the crows, i thought they were Brillant at times, and honestly couldn't work out how we were even in the game for parts of it. We did get on top in the second half but didn't take our chances ... there was however one play that the crows did i thought was outstanding ...

shot on goal by us, was going to miss and most likely go to the boundary line, instead the Adelaide defender punched it through for a point, gained position, then proceeded to transition unopposed for a shot on goal at their end ... i think it was a Brillant play to understand the state of play between the two sides, and was reflective of how Adelaide was playing to their strengths and the blues, just trying to react and combat their play style (which we didn't do well)

after last week and against north, you couldn't help but feel there was an agenda, considering some of the decisions that were not paid .... but we had the game in our hands, effectively 3 goals up ... and didn't manage the moments well this game. I still cant work out how Owies didn't kick that goal ...

28 shots to 20
We won the clearances
16 points up at 20 min mark.
Pitto goes the bench.
Pitto was all the rave by commentators of the game. Come here and it’s a Pitto feast.
People looking for a scape goat are blaming a ruck,an who won 15 HOs, 4 clearances, 6 score involvements.
Not to blame Pittonet

We were 16 up with the 2 rucks.
TDK was monstered whenever he faced OBrien
Accepting TDK to play OBrien for the whole game is lunacy.
Last year proves why it’s lunacy.

Before Pitto was selected I mentioned what we all know is we lack players with the speed Crows possess.
It’s something we all know. Raw Speed is different to endurance speed.
Losing Saad was a nail in the coffin, but we got to 16 points clear.
They cupboard is bare. Cincotta was considered but he’s also out managed.
That’s why we need to fast track Wilson. He has raw speed.

Cripps Hewett Kennedy Carroll are all plodders. That’s the midfield group we expect to keep up with the quicker Crows? Have a think about that. Mids are runners aren’t they? Now judge the collective speed these guys bring. What do you expect the MC to do? Pick Binns? Cowan?

Surrey Blue doesn’t want to name players at fault by we should point out where we really lost it.
Our backman gave their opponent too much space.
Weiters had 4 easy goals kicked against him by 38yo Tex. paid no respect.
Gov doesn’t seem to have an opponent week in week out.
Keays kicks 3 on him. Rankine kicks 3…2 on Saad.
How is that Pitto fault?
Charlie’s 3 easy misses for goal cost us
Charlie had no possessions for first half of game.

We were 16 points up at 20 min mark. A comfortable lead and control.
Pitto goes off ground and what you should easily recall in the last 16 minutes

We were in front and tried to put speed in game without Saad and Gov.
Kemp Williams mistake on the boundary cost goal
Owies Harry mistake in the forward pocket Cost goal
Passes by hand and foot not hitting targets.
Carroll,s opponent Berry involved with 2 last minute goals.

We did not respect the Crows going into this game with their backs against the wall.
This was like their GF. Lose this and it’s season over
We have been just getting over the line in wins and people are satisfied but do they really think we have been convincing?
Loo at our injury list. ten players out. It hurts.

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Full credit to the Crows, they played well.
As someone else posted we have not been that great this season, just managing to win.
I have just seen vision of the last goal, the Crows player did a rugby throw to him not seen by the umpires.
That and the goal which didnt appear to be touched.
Of course all social media is full of crap about the umpires and us not giving them enough money this week.
With a tough 5-6 weeks coming up this match could be the one that derailed our season. 6-7 of our best players missing for at least the next few weeks will really test us.

Great observation.

The midgets put pressure on, sometimes, but they lack fire power. Include Fog in that group and they are not dangerous on the scoreboard. If our 2 KPFs don’t mark and ball hits ground Owies Durdin Fantasis and Fogarty are not dangerous at all. Lack pace, and Motlop may be an improvement but he isnt possessed with electric speed and elusiveness.

I’m not a fan of the 4 midget forwardline. I know they did really well against North, and may do well against Eagles but…. An issue.

Martin Cuningham Are usually out injured. One may have to be kept as a Finals specialist because they aren’t much help in H&A. One of these years, soon, TDK will hold his marks and that will help out.

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right there, that is biggest problem

Some major points I want to raise this morning. Some have been raised by others but these aren’t just this week.
I’ve made some of these in previous weeks.

1. The loss of Doc is really hurting. We are trying others like Kennedy to cover that role but it isn’t working.
My suggestion move Williams into that role.

2. We need to accept that we cannot play Cripps and Hewitt in the middle the same time. It’s our achilies……
Cripps, Cerra and Walsh should be the 1 wood. Then rotation of Hewett only with Cripps. Carroll, Elijah, Kennedy and others like Williams, etc. with other 2.

3. Our small forwards have lost their role. Why do they keep spoiling a KP in the air or taking their space?
Stay on the ground and do your job by winning or defending the ground ball. To the conches, we go big in the forward line with the addition of TdK and play smalls deep? Seriously?

4. Our KP defenders, apologies to Kemp, were terrible at the job of ‘defending’. That word means, being ‘ close’ to your man and knowing how to punch and body or killing the ball at a contest (not letting the ball get over the back when your in the air as third man up - always the same individual).
My suggestion play Young with Weitering. Develop them to work with each other. We could have used Young yesterday as the lock down on Walker. Kemp and Marchbank the other 2.

I'm putting this loss on the planning for this game; not Pitto

Even if you accept the Pitto for Cerra argument (doubt many will but hey, we're just supporters, not in the inner sanctum)...why on earth do we make another midfielder sub???

I'm not saying Carroll would've been the difference, but we were so short of midfield running capacity and midfield transition capacity, we could easily have made any one Fantasia, Durdin, Owies or even Ollie (out of form) sub

Walsh could've spent time on the wing and Carroll more around contests

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Agree. The people saying Pitto cost us are basically saying we would have won if we'd played a first gamer.

Maybe if Binns had pulled an Andrew Walker circa 2004 but let's face it that's a rarity for debutants.

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I agree re Doc Surrey. Looked like the exact type of game where he could have gone in & tightened up our centre 3 midfielders.

I noticed for most of the game it was Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, Jack Martin. I may be wrong but I didn't see much of Kennedy in there. Maybe that would have a been a good alternative to try.

It really felt like we got murdered out of the middle

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Once Nathan was umpiring, the writing was on the wall. Cripps in particular was dealt with some terrible decisions, both for and against. As per Owies missing, our heads were in the clouds yesterday, thinking this game would be won at any time. We refused to do the simple things well, incl. sticking our tackles, which have been better until this game.

If Adelaide lost yesterday that was their season
If your 5% off against a fully switched on side you will lose
It’s that simple
In regards to Pittonet he is a liability
Doesn’t help when a runner like Saad goes down but if you can’t run your a liability

Hit outs on their own is a meaningless stat
The Crows looked the more dangerous side when they had the ball
Our defence was pathetic yesterday
Who was on Rankine
With Daniels Greene Brown and Bedford we will need to be tighter
In regards to the ruck I would have Young come in and he McKay give DeKoning a chop out
Depending on how they go today I would like to see Binns in and give Moir a go as a leading 3 rd tall
Acres can go go back
Swings and Roundabouts
But Pitto is a liability because he isn’t mobile enough for the modern game particularly at Marvel

Good sides can cover injuries

"Trash" is wildly hyperbolic. Two interstate wins, against reigning GFist and a team previously 3-0. Beat the only team to have bested the Swans whom everyone spanks themselves silly over. North an easy game and we put them to the sword. All this while doing pre season training loads and developing new tactics.

Not saying we've been brilliant... but we need to respect the opponents more, and our achievement in beating them.

We can look at the Gov injury as a blessing. He has been poor and had a shocker yesterday. Only problem is his replacement Marchbank is not really ready/in form.
Saad we can hope is only a short time off and Cinc can replace. Still have Williams and Boyd behind the ball.
Having said that we have some tough oppo. GWS will carve us up with their crisp short passes. The short kicking game brings us undone.

Pitt selection was fine but in the perfect world one of Pitt or TDK would be subbed out midway through the 3rd.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/1108317/fu ... 3003721001

I'm still trying to process what I saw yesterday. Trying to read between the lines of Vossy's post game interview. I think he is furious about many things but kept it pretty well hid.

Personally I hated the game. I thought we were rubbish at times. I don't think a forward line of Charlie, Harry and TDK works as they all fly together.

I hated the number of marks all three of them got their hands on and dropped.

I hate it when the ball is on the ground and a Carlton player is about to take possession and another team-mate dives in and knocks the ball away.

I hate that we overuse and handball to a player under pressure. Time and again it was one or two handballs to many. Just get the @#$% ball forward and let the forwards go one on one.

I hate that we don't lower our eyes coming inside 50.

I hate that statistically we should have won and that we were 16 pts up with 6 to go and got beat because we were dumb. It looks like we deserved to win and yet to my eyes I'm not convinced we were the better team.

I hate that O'brien is allowed to ruck like he does; In the Centre Square, immediately stepping infront of his opponent with his 'don't argue fend off' to block his opponents run and/or around the ground immediately wrapping his arms around his opponent to stop the jump. Those instances are free kicks.

I hate our injuries to major play makers.

I love Walsh and again I was very happy for Kempy.

I went with high expectations and left thinking I had wasted 4 hours of my life.



Regards Cazzesman

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Ive been with you all along with most of your points, and especisally Doc. Some posters have said (probably hoped) we dont need the Top 10 pick, former AA and captian, Doc. That he's not a contested player and slow. Now, compare Docs pace wityh Cripps Hewett Kennedy and Carroll. No contest. We miss Docs versatlity and leadership on the ground. He's Mr fix it.

I think Cripps and Hewett play a different role in the middle, when playing together. Crippas attacks the contest and gives his opponent reasoon to worry about him, and Hewett takes on the opposition's best mid and collects a heap of contested ball to link on the outside. I like the idea of Cerra Walsh in the guts with Cripps because both can get clear of the pace with nous and a bit more pace, and have a defensive mindset. We didnt have Cerra yesterday and I think its a mix of set ups we are after.

I am still not convinced in Carroll. I said it after the Lions game, the ball bounced his way, similar how it happend for Dow in a few games last year. Its not like he hunts the ball, wins it and links by hand. He gets it and thumps the ball, almost in a panicked fashion imo.

Say it. Weitering let his team down big time yesterday. I thought he was loose against Larkey, as he was loose on Walker yesterday. I said it after the game, if Young let those goals through he would be strung up, like Pitto is for yesterday's loss. A bit too much hero worship and looking for scape goats imo. Ditto Gov. He is so loose as a defender. He's costibng us heaps of goals but no one wants to point the finger at him. Fk, even Saad was exposed AGAIN for loose checking.

Vossy made it clear for those who really listen, our defence let us down. That is so obvious, and part of that team defence falls on the 4 plodding mids. Cerra would have gone back into defence to help out. as would Doc.

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How many Carlton players does it take to change a light globe?

Why do we have 3 or 4 midgets in the forwardline?
Probably same reason why we had 2 rucks yesterday against OBrien: to get the job.

If we were going with one ruck yesterday, I would have gone with Pitto on a horses for courses. O'Brien was too strong for TDK last year as his was again yesterday. So obvious. But with 2 rucks we got our fair share of the ruck contest.

3 and sometimes 4 midgets to do the job of 2? And goals are a struggle.

Rankine kicked 3 goals for Crows. Fantasia, Durdin, Owies kicked 3 goals for Blues. That says something given we had possession for more of the game than the Crows did.

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Crows took 18 marks in their forward 50 and kicked 16 goals. That's 4-5 per quarter. Not entries, marks!

If we aren't going to defend, we may as well get a lockdown defender like Young to lock in and defend, and Weiters can be that interceptor, coz Gov certainly wasn't.

The defenders shouldn't be left out from blame.

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Are you blaming Pitto for the loss?
4 clearances, 6 score involvements, 15 hit outs, and he wasnt stopping the team what it needed to do for 50% of the game, including the last 10 minutes whn he wasn't even on the ground, OR

Are you blaming the injury of Saad? OR
Are you blaming that we didnt pay them respect and didnt play as hard as we could have? OR
Are you blaming Rankine's opponent...he kicked 2 on Saad IIRC. OR
Are you blaming a "pathetic"defence?

I'm confused. You seem to state all the above, and sour about the loss because we would have won without Pitto? Really?

It wasn't the selction of Pitto. he looked good imo. He was mobile, competitive on the ground, and bustled with OBrien. I didnt think our rucks were a problem. I watched them intently as you would expect.

Who would you have ruck against O'Brien based on what you saw last time and yesterday? If OBrien was allowed to dominate the ruck, we would have lost by more.

Hit outs are not important? Why bother with the ruck? For some teams they are important.

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