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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:19 pm 
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So If Kennedy and Honey come onto the list from the Rookie’s plus pick 25(?) that’s our 3.

Does that then mean 2 to go from the current list? LOB and Gibbo off list and down to Rookie if they want.

Mcdonald can stay as rookie.

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I'm hearing Ramsey and Gibbo not offered contracts

But I also heard Park a few weeks back

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Using that scenario then:

Two of LOB, Gibbons, Ramsay re-rookied, one delisted.
Two of Boyd, Cottrell, Parks, O-Mac kept, two delisted.


:thumbsup: Now that keeps it simple.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Thanks Spooky and Snakehips. I was hoping someone with a better understanding could sort it out for us. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
So If Kennedy and Honey come onto the list from the Rookie’s plus pick 25(?) that’s our 3.

Does that then mean 2 to go from the current list? LOB and Gibbo off list and down to Rookie if they want.

Mcdonald can stay as rookie.

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I'm hearing Ramsey and Gibbo not offered contracts

But I also heard Park a few weeks back


I'd rather pay Willo out and give the spot to Ramsay.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:30 pm 
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I don't want to be negative but it's only Thursday and it appears we're done. Trade week has another 6 days!
Usually I'm hanging out until the deadline on the last day. WTF am I going to do with my time now?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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If it were me, I'd take O-Mac. The second one, not so clear-cut.

Based on our list make-up - the likelihood that Doc misses most of the year, Williams hopefully comes back far fitter than was expected last year and slots back into the midfield rotation, and the want to give Stocker some midfield time, I think Parks would be handy back-up, and would acquit himself better in a back six with some strategy and team-first approach.

Based on potential, I think Cottrell could be something aged 23-25 with the right development invested into him.

Given the probability for a supplementary spot available at the start of the year (could we potential get one for Marchbank or Cuningham too?) - you'd probably keep Parks being from interstate, and back ourselves to offer Cottrell more of an opportunity than going back to Pearcedale affords.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:43 pm 
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Gibbons
Ramsay

Delisted.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
So If Kennedy and Honey come onto the list from the Rookie’s plus pick 25(?) that’s our 3.

Does that then mean 2 to go from the current list? LOB and Gibbo off list and down to Rookie if they want.

Mcdonald can stay as rookie.

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I'm hearing Ramsey and Gibbo not offered contracts

But I also heard Park a few weeks back


I'd rather pay Willo out and give the spot to Ramsay.


Ditto

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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dane wrote:
Gibbons
Ramsay

Delisted.


Official by the looks of your post dane?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 3:49 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
Using that scenario then:

Two of LOB, Gibbons, Ramsay re-rookied, one delisted.
Two of Boyd, Cottrell, Parks, O-Mac kept, two delisted.

I'd be keeping Oscar and maybe Gibbons. Head to the draft for the rest.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Gibbons and Ramsay gone via Trade Radio


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:05 pm 
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I’d keep LOB and O’Mac and maybe rookie Ramsey.

The others have been covered through trades and hopefully the draft


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:08 pm 
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So is that minimum delistings required assuming we don't trade in another player?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 4:17 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
So is that minimum delistings required assuming we don't trade in another player?


We now have 34 on Main List. So have up to 4 list spots available

Started with 36 on Main List
Out - Murph, Caz, Gibbons, Ramsay, SPS (Minus 5)
In - Cerra, Hewitt, Young (Plus 3)

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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rhino27 wrote:
So is that minimum delistings required assuming we don't trade in another player?
Yep think so, no more delistings required if we only want to use two picks in the ND and promote one Cat A rookie.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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snakehips wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
With SPS out and Young and Cerra in how many do we need to delist and how many do we need to take in draft
Assuming no further trading of players, we need to delist one primary list player for each pick we wish to use in the National Draft. Minimum of 3 picks need to be used during ND, though any rookie list promotions we make count as one of those 3. So if we promote one player from the rookie list to the primary list, we'd still need to delist two senior list players to use our first two picks in the ND.

Thanks snakehips. So with Gibbons & Ramsay now delisted, and assuming we trade in no more players, am I right to say we need to cut one more to have the mandatory three picks in the draft?

Instead of another delisting, I wonder if we’re about to trade out a player for a pick? Maybe we’ve had a nibble for LOB or McGovern?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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We could delist one more, which would allow us to use 3 picks on kids in the ND. Alternatively, we can avoid any further delistings from the primary list by promoting one cat A rookie to the primary list and using just 2 picks in the ND. If we go down the latter path, I think we would still need to delist one further player from the cat A rookie list (would leave us with 5 cat A rookies), i.e. go with 37-5-1.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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If we're only using one live pick in the draft, looking at the points the Dogs have currently, they're on -17, assuming Darcy goes at pick 3.

23 for 25 and 64 gives the Dogs an extra 40 odd points.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Any chance we could bundle up 25 along with next year’s second or a player for a first rounder?

A couple of 25s is the equivalent of about a pick 9.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
If we're only using one live pick in the draft, looking at the points the Dogs have currently, they're on -17, assuming Darcy goes at pick 3.

23 for 25 and 64 gives the Dogs an extra 40 odd points.
If we only take one live pick to the ND we'd need to promote two of Boyd, Cottrell, Honey, Kennedy, McDonald, Mirkov or Parks. From a salary cap view point I suspect it'd probably be cheaper to take the extra kid in the ND, rather than promoting a second cat A rookie, but probably not a great deal of difference. Probably just comes back to whether Austin has his eye on someone he thinks will still be there later in the draft with our second pick. That pick will probably move up a little bit (maybe into the 50s) once all the father-son matching and academy picks are removed. Alternatively, perhaps there might be plans afoot to try some pick swapping in an attempt to move that second pick into an earlier round.


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