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PostPosted: Sun May 09, 2021 11:54 pm 
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They bat deeper with their midfield and football smartsd


Sorry don’t agree with that

The big difference , is mentality

We are weak and dogs have a strong mental attitude to win


Last week the Dogs did exactly what we did today.
And Richmond this week also, but far worse

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:06 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
GWS wrote:
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dadadadada wrote:
They bat deeper with their midfield and football smartsd


Sorry don’t agree with that

The big difference , is mentality

We are weak and dogs have a strong mental attitude to win


Last week the Dogs did exactly what we did today.
And Richmond this week also, but far worse

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When we win consistently, and win premierships ... like the tigers and the dogs

And we put in mental collapses like yesterday , I will give them a out ...

We are way off still

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 6:07 am 
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I don’t think it was a mental lapse yesterday, just a midfield far superior than ours. It was always going to happen that the Bulldogs have absolute dominance.

What hurt us again is skills finishing in front of goal. Two sitters running into an open goal by Jack and Fog hurt us.


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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 7:21 am 
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Casboult missed a pretty easy one in between those 2 also. So it was actually 3 sitters in a row. That said the dogs missed their share of easy ones.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 7:36 am 
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Speaking of crucial misses, the two by Williams & McKay towards the end of the 3 quarter. We were 25 points ahead and you could sense the Dogs were lifting. We kick those goals, it becomes a 37 point lead and I reckon we would have had the confidence to go on with it from there. They weren’t sodas, but both were gettable.

Anyway, the usual overreactions from the usual posters after the game. Yes, losing absolutely sucks and nobody is happy about it - but there are positives to be found amongst the disappointment.

The sky is not falling in. The simple fact is that there’s plenty of improvement required before we are a top side.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 7:46 am 
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keogh wrote:
Here is the deal in simple terms
In today’s football you have to bat deep in the middle.
We don’t and eventually the weight of numbers tells.
The dogs won the inside 50 count by 16.

Cuningham
Kennedy
Dow
SPS
O’ Brien
Setterfield
All picked with quality picks or trades
Have failed to deliver
That essentially is the main reason we arnt good enough
SOSs fingerprints are all over this rebuild

Add the decision to trade away picks and give up plenty of salary cap space
for Williams
Saad
Martin
McGovern
Fogarty
We are simply a dumb club and have been a dumb club for a long time
In relation to these new players
Fogarty after a good start is starting to show signs as to why Geelong were happy to part with him
Just average
Martin injury prone and soft
McGovern ditto
Saad very one dimensional player. You need more than that from a guy on a big long term contract who you gave up pick 8 to get him
Williams clearly injured but you play a guy on $850000 a season. Another dumb decision

If I was Teague I would play Honey whose form in the twos the last month has been good
Play Stocker in the guts

I thought the effort today was actually really good but in the end the lack of depth in the middle is telling

Cripps looks spent to me
I love the guy but in the end maybe the best thing is to let him go get a compensation pick

When Curnow is still your number one mid in a game like he was today it shows how poor our recruiting has been over the last 6 years in relation to mids

If it wasn’t for Weitering and Jones it would of been a eight goal loss

Don’t blame Teague
Blame the recruiting department
And as I said the Board is where the problems originate


Agree re the midfield. If we had that part right we wouldn't be taking about Saad, Fogarty and Martin. Pockets and flankers are there to play a role, not win the game.

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Unfit or just mentally weak ? Probably both, but either way they've got surrender down to a fine art.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 8:00 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
keogh wrote:
Here is the deal in simple terms
In today’s football you have to bat deep in the middle.
We don’t and eventually the weight of numbers tells.
The dogs won the inside 50 count by 16.

Cuningham
Kennedy
Dow
SPS
O’ Brien
Setterfield
All picked with quality picks or trades
Have failed to deliver
That essentially is the main reason we arnt good enough
SOSs fingerprints are all over this rebuild

Add the decision to trade away picks and give up plenty of salary cap space
for Williams
Saad
Martin
McGovern
Fogarty
We are simply a dumb club and have been a dumb club for a long time
In relation to these new players
Fogarty after a good start is starting to show signs as to why Geelong were happy to part with him
Just average
Martin injury prone and soft
McGovern ditto
Saad very one dimensional player. You need more than that from a guy on a big long term contract who you gave up pick 8 to get him
Williams clearly injured but you play a guy on $850000 a season. Another dumb decision

If I was Teague I would play Honey whose form in the twos the last month has been good
Play Stocker in the guts

I thought the effort today was actually really good but in the end the lack of depth in the middle is telling

Cripps looks spent to me
I love the guy but in the end maybe the best thing is to let him go get a compensation pick

When Curnow is still your number one mid in a game like he was today it shows how poor our recruiting has been over the last 6 years in relation to mids

If it wasn’t for Weitering and Jones it would of been a eight goal loss

Don’t blame Teague
Blame the recruiting department
And as I said the Board is where the problems originate


Agree re the midfield. If we had that part right we wouldn't be taking about Saad, Fogarty and Martin. Pockets and flankers are there to play a role, not win the game.



i agree to an extent, but think a few players are abit stiff in that apprasil

for mind ... and i hate to say this .. but Cripps has become a liability ... he is a star, but something isnt right with him. as others have said, either injured or checked out (at the moment, if it was Freo 1st pick and one of Cerra or Serong id say go for it .. build around walsh who is now our best midfielder at 21)

We look like a more damaging midfield when Cunningham plays through the middle. Perhaps the other players arent banging down the door, but Cunningham gets better with every game and looks better again when he is on the ball.

I have noticed abit of talk about how Teague didnt have Cripps on the ground at the start of 3/4 time. For mine, i thought we played some of our best football without him on the field. dogs where coming from half time, despite what the reviews might say about the score, the difference being is not only did we defend and defend well, but we increased our lead. It was possible the best football we have played for sometime ... and cripps was off the ground for large parts of it. Perhaps that was part of the plan by Teague, to give the players the evidence they need to know they can do it without him, we need to compliment cripps, not rely on him for everything.

we are so close, those who think we are miles off are over-reacting. we are so close.

we continue to play players that arent fit and constantly playing 2 or 3 players down each week. It just doenst make sense to me. Cripps, Williams, Levi ... not only where we outnumbered around the ground, but we where two down in the midfield, against the one side in the comp that probably goes 10 deep in the midfield. to be in the position we where was incredible. Losing Silvagni ... who was on Daniels ... was the turning point. Daniels was non exitent until he went off, then absolutly dominated when he went off. That combined with the dominance of their midfield is why we lost. Im not sure any coach could remedy that.

dogs had next to no-one out injured either. It makes a difference. Newman, TDK, SOS (for the whole game) Fisher, Martin, Curnow into that side, not even including some of the kids we just dont know about yet, and its easily could have held on. Really when you think about our forwards (whilst having the no 1 forward in the comp) have had zero games together. Get them all on the park and we are different side.

... oh and one last thing ... when are we going to start calling cheats, cheats and "professional free kicks" are call for what they are ... cheating.

Hunter, is a dead set cheat. Twice he did everything he could to get a free kick and twice the umpires got sucked in and two goals the result. instead of people coming out a calling it for what it is, cheating.


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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 8:36 am 
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We have some fairly significant personnel problems.

Cripps is so out of form. He's only played 1 or 2 truly great games since 2019 by my reckoning. He's hardly in the Top 100 AFL players these days.

And Williams has done nothing since coming to Carlton. Fool gets suspended first up and doesn't look fit to tie a midfielders shoelaces.

All the while the club say we almost have too many midfielders. Yeah right, but hardly are any good.

How's Teaue's win loss ratio going?


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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 8:39 am 
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Surely it's time to put the young midfielders in the team and tell them it's time they grew up. SPS, Dow, Setterfield. In place of Newnes, Cottrell (who just isn't good enough), and Gibbons.


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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 8:41 am 
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I don't mind Williams' output for now - as effectively our third best midfielder, he's not that far off the mark. Although Cuningham has eclipsed him the last two games.

My question is though that should that be an issue later in the year, how much pressure the coaching staff and match committee are under to continue to play him there, given it was such a large part of the lure to bring him across in the first place?

Does Docherty go in there instead? Saad?


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For mine, was happy for almost 3 quarters and then what I was worried about when i saw that side became the thing that killed us.

People bang on about recruiting - well its a bit @#$%&! hard for SPS to show he is a midfielder when he either plays HBF or doesn't @#$%&! play.
DOW started well, gets hurt back to reserves - maybe he had to?
Kennedy/Setterfield - please choose one and play them in the guts not on the @#$%&! wing!

I still think Fogarty and Owies are doing okay - they are only bit players learning the trade.


For me - Newness out (we got that goal out of him, deal done) Honey in.
Gibbons out - not a forward, in the guts or out - for me, out.

And what about Cripps playing more forward, CHF instead of Casboult - backup ruck. Cant be any worse, might be better.

We need to completely remodel that midfield - try the @#$%&! kids we are not winning a flag this year.

And for me, Williams either wing or HBF.

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We’ve invested in high picks Dow, Setterfield, SPS, Stocker, LOB, Kennedy as midfielders and all are either in the 2s our not in the midfield in the 1s. These are the guys who were meant to make us into a quality midfield. None of them are contributing as midfielders in the seniors

This is the thing these revisionist historians ignore. Every one of those guys was selected at the picks they were expected to be. None were duds when we picked them, but have not improved an iota since getting here.

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For mine, was happy for almost 3 quarters and then what I was worried about when i saw that side became the thing that killed us.

People bang on about recruiting - well its a bit @#$%&! hard for SPS to show he is a midfielder when he either plays HDF or doesn't @#$%&! play.
DOW started well, gets hurt back to reserves - maybe he had to?
Kennedy/Setterfield - please choose one and play them in the guts not on the @#$%&! wing!

I still think Fogarty and Owies are doing okay - they are only bit players learning the trade.


For me - Newness out (we got that goal out of him, deal done) Honey in.
Gibbons out - not a forward, in the guts or out - for me, out.

And what about Cripps playing more forward, CHF instead of Casboult - backup ruck. Cant be any worse, might be better.

We need to completely remodel that midfield - try the @#$%&! kids we are not winning a flag this year.

And for me, Williams either wing or HBF.


100%

Particularly this - Cripps in the fwd line/relief tuck, Williams HBF or wing (and throw doc into the midfield) and give the young blokes recruited as mids a go.....they are two years on from Bolton ‘throwing them to the wolves’.....time to get in with it.


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Speaking of crucial misses, the two by Williams & McKay towards the end of the 3 quarter. We were 25 points ahead and you could sense the Dogs were lifting. We kick those goals, it becomes a 37 point lead and I reckon we would have had the confidence to go on with it from there. They weren’t sodas, but both were gettable.

Anyway, the usual overreactions from the usual posters after the game. Yes, losing absolutely sucks and nobody is happy about it - but there are positives to be found amongst the disappointment.

The sky is not falling in. The simple fact is that there’s plenty of improvement required before we are a top side.



Gutted with the loss but agree with this. We actually looked sensational during the middle of the game.

I'd start by replacing Cripps Cas & Williams for Melbourne, not as a statement or for discipline or anything...it's just not viable to carry 3 unfit players in a game of footy. There are players in the 2s to choose from now, not exactly in stellar form but an improvement on the above, at a minimum.

Then of course there's JSOS, & maybe one of Gibbons Cotts Newnnes. There could be a whole bunch of changes this week, which would not be such a bad thing.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 9:50 am 
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azzablue wrote:
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That was highly disappointing albeit predictable.

JSOS going down seemed the real turning point.

Missing those easy goals in the third along with some cheap goals to them (Hunter you diving cauliflower) didn't help.


Jsos going down had no impact on the result (8 touches to that point )

The easy goals he continually misses definitely a huge difference...


JSOS going off had a huge impact, look at the run out of defence they generated in the last. JSOS was clearly playing a role to limit that during the match.


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azzablue wrote:
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Libba 9 centre clearances. Cripps 2, Walsh 1.
23 centre clearances to 7. Who saw that coming? Everyone but our @#$%&! coaches.
Considering we were starting the game from the backline, the players did remarkably well.


Can you remind me of how many centre clearances Dow had in 15 minutes last week??


4 ... not good enough to impress the match committee


Really? Four! How come it’s never mentioned here?


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london blue wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
For mine, was happy for almost 3 quarters and then what I was worried about when i saw that side became the thing that killed us.

People bang on about recruiting - well its a bit @#$%&! hard for SPS to show he is a midfielder when he either plays HDF or doesn't @#$%&! play.
DOW started well, gets hurt back to reserves - maybe he had to?
Kennedy/Setterfield - please choose one and play them in the guts not on the @#$%&! wing!

I still think Fogarty and Owies are doing okay - they are only bit players learning the trade.


For me - Newness out (we got that goal out of him, deal done) Honey in.
Gibbons out - not a forward, in the guts or out - for me, out.

And what about Cripps playing more forward, CHF instead of Casboult - backup ruck. Cant be any worse, might be better.

We need to completely remodel that midfield - try the @#$%&! kids we are not winning a flag this year.

And for me, Williams either wing or HBF.


100%

Particularly this - Cripps in the fwd line/relief tuck, Williams HBF or wing (and throw doc into the midfield) and give the young blokes recruited as mids a go.....they are two years on from Bolton ‘throwing them to the wolves’.....time to get in with it.


Why bother trying to hide Cripps as CHF and second ruck? Just bring in TDK who would be much more effective than injured Casboult or Cripps.


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Don't mind the Cripps to CHF idea.


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Don't mind the Cripps to CHF idea.


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