To the players responsible for this current embarrassment...

Teddy Hopkins · **Posted:** Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:48 pm

Blue Sombrero wrote:

I think its a disgrace. I think the so-called leaders of the playing group are as weak as piss for not doing something on the cruise. I think the individuals concerned are weak as piss for thinking they could do it and get away with it.
I am waiting to see what happens at the club before I pay my membership. If nothing concrete does happen, I intend to write to them and ask how they intend to sort the mess out before I keep donating money to them every year. We don't need this rubbish and we certainly have a voice as members and supporters.

Personally I hope the three of them are banned for the entire NAB cup and told that Rd 1 selection will depend on NAB form alone. Let them stew in the Ants for a while. I'd rather lose a few games than carry this on during the year. Even Collingwood had the balls to suspend two players leading up to and during finals. Surely we can do it.

Absolutely correct. Goltzenburg and his idea of a private time is fair enough if it is kept private. Trouble was two players end up being banned from Crown and a third is arrested for being drunk in the city. Then its splashed all over the Hun. Not a great marketing concept and not very private.

Rhys26 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am **Posts:** 1730

Hopefully the club is strong enough to ensure that Walker, Houlihan and Betts never represent the Carlton Football club again.
They should be left to rot at the Bullants for the year and then offloaded at the end of the season

club29 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:55 am

Rhys26 wrote:

Hopefully the club is strong enough to ensure that Walker, Houlihan and Betts never represent the Carlton Football club again.
They should be left to rot at the Bullants for the year and then offloaded at the end of the season

If the club goes that way i will support it but i dont think it needs to go that far.

I am still not sure of Walkers involvement in the crown fiasco. Hoping he was trying to get Houla back in his room and a scuffle resulted.

Betts is a fine player but the booze is bringing him undone. Needs to seek help.

Houla .....not fussed.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Rhys26 wrote:

Hopefully the club is strong enough to ensure that Walker, Houlihan and Betts never represent the Carlton Football club again.
They should be left to rot at the Bullants for the year and then offloaded at the end of the season

thank god you have no say in the club.

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:00 pm

Rhys26 wrote:

Hopefully the club is strong enough to ensure that Walker, Houlihan and Betts never represent the Carlton Football club again.
They should be left to rot at the Bullants for the year and then offloaded at the end of the season

Absolutely the best post ever NOT :roll:

- no one knows the facts and to hang 1aw out to dry given by most accounts he may have been trying to diffuse things is just stupid - Eddie getting locked up for being d&d given the nationwide crack down is also plain stupid - given the blokes that have represented this club previously these bloke look like choir boys (yes I know we now live in a new age where farting in public is an idictable offence).

Finally probably the most repugnant thing about your comment is it has come from someone who chose a username after one of the games most colourful characters whose deeds made these boys look like saints.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

Rhys26 wrote:

Hopefully the club is strong enough to ensure that Walker, Houlihan and Betts never represent the Carlton Football club again.
They should be left to rot at the Bullants for the year and then offloaded at the end of the season

Awesome idea! Then instead of getting fair trade value, especially for a #2 pick, we get a pack of twisties, and a few pieces of pre-chewed gum.

fraser murphy · **Joined:** Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 pm **Posts:** 1685

Synbad wrote:

fraser murphy wrote:

That's a bit fascist...

Well, you might think its fascist but if you take a look around you .. youre governed by rules and laws with everything you do.
And of course players players are no different.
Only the idiotic footballers will find this abit Draconian.. the vast majority wont have it bother them.
Alcohol is a problem right now and it needs to be stamped out.

It used to be alcohol.. and then they discovered amphetimines..youre not going to get fat... and its trendy.. its a modern 'in drug'.. now with the bunsen burner is on the drug use.. players are moving back to alcohol...

But why do they need foreign agents to feel good???

It is not rules and laws that I refer to as fascist, rather the idea that a group (in this case, footballers) should be held to different laws to another group (us, ze plebs). If it was 'tother way round, there would surely be an uproar, and it wouldn't just be the idiotic that would find it draconian.

For the record, I think sobriety, and the lack of it, is a huge problem today.
But there is a very good reason as to why this problem hasn't been solved and why people feel they ''need foreign agents to feel good''?

'Cos its easy. Der.

Synbad · **Posted:** Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:16 pm

Ah i think you dont see how all kinds of groups keep different standards to mainstream .

Taxi drivers must be .00 but others can be .05.
Probation drivers must be .05 too...

anyway i can give u zillions of examples of industry standards,

fraser murphy · **Joined:** Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 pm **Posts:** 1685

Synbad wrote:

Ah i think you dont see how all kinds of groups keep different standards to mainstream .

Taxi drivers must be .00 but others can be .05.
Probation drivers must be .05 too...

anyway i can give u zillions of examples of industry standards,

Right you are Synbad.

I happen to think its [REDACTED] though. And disagree with imposing more @#$%&!.

in8 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:25 am **Posts:** 356

Synbad wrote:

Ah i think you dont see how all kinds of groups keep different standards to mainstream .

Taxi drivers must be .00 but others can be .05.
Probation drivers must be .05 too...

anyway i can give u zillions of examples of industry standards,

If you can give examples of industry standards that apply during holidays and personal time I'd love to hear them.

Rhys26 · **Joined:** Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:12 am **Posts:** 1730

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Rhys26 wrote:

Hopefully the club is strong enough to ensure that Walker, Houlihan and Betts never represent the Carlton Football club again.
They should be left to rot at the Bullants for the year and then offloaded at the end of the season

Awesome idea! Then instead of getting fair trade value, especially for a #2 pick, we get a pack of twisties, and a few pieces of pre-chewed gum.

A lot of you guys on here go on about Andrew Walker as though he is a gun....at best he is only just a good player.
For someone who has been at the club for nearly 7 years I can only remember a 5 or 6 games where he has had an impact.

Kaptain Kouta · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:41 pm **Posts:** 63509

Rhys26 wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Rhys26 wrote:

Hopefully the club is strong enough to ensure that Walker, Houlihan and Betts never represent the Carlton Football club again.
They should be left to rot at the Bullants for the year and then offloaded at the end of the season

Awesome idea! Then instead of getting fair trade value, especially for a #2 pick, we get a pack of twisties, and a few pieces of pre-chewed gum.

A lot of you guys on here go on about Andrew Walker as though he is a gun....at best he is only just a good player.
For someone who has been at the club for nearly 7 years I can only remember a 5 or 6 games where he has had an impact.

I'm not extolling him as a superstar, but a season in the Bullies would reduce his value to zero.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:12 am

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Rhys26 wrote:

Kaptain Kouta wrote:

Awesome idea! Then instead of getting fair trade value, especially for a #2 pick, we get a pack of twisties, and a few pieces of pre-chewed gum.

A lot of you guys on here go on about Andrew Walker as though he is a gun....at best he is only just a good player.
For someone who has been at the club for nearly 7 years I can only remember a 5 or 6 games where he has had an impact.

I'm not extolling him as a superstar, but a season in the Bullies would reduce his value to zero.

To be fair, if the club's primary aim was to send a message that it won't tolerate loutish behaviour then any compensation for the players in question would be a secondary consideration.

Not that I necessarily agree with Rhys' suggestion, mind. :razz:

blue4 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:04 pm **Posts:** 976

Make them train 3 x harder than anyone else for a month. Untill their limbs fell they ae going to fall off.

200 x 100m sprints is a good start
50 chin ups with someone watching with a cane in their hand.
Run them to the ground for a month.

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:30 am

blue4 wrote:

Make them train 3 x harder than anyone else for a month. Untill their limbs fell they ae going to fall off.

200 x 100m sprints is a good start
50 chin ups with someone watching with a cane in their hand.
Run them to the ground for a month.

50 chin ups with Lance holding on to their legs. :razz:

murraycray · **Posted:** Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:53 am

Well, one thing we've learned out of all this, none of the present Carlton players would hold a candle
to Val Perovic. :grin:

Trem · **Posted:** Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:28 pm

Sorry, I just don't buy the self righteous indignation over this. They are blokes in their early 20s who work their backsides off 11 months a year. And they can't have a blow out? Was anyone actually hurt in these episodes? Is there anyone of age on this forum that has not mucked up 4 times worse than what has been reported?

Should our values really be dictated by focus groups and what marketing people say? I suspect we should be stronger than that.

Was it wise? No.
Should Judd etc have intervened, probably.
Does society generally, including footballers, have serious issues with binge drinking - yes.
Will punishing footballers solve society's issues? I doubt it very much.

Anything else? Get off your high horses.

JohnM · **Posted:** Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:36 pm

Trem wrote:

Is there anyone of age on this forum that has not mucked up 4 times worse than what has been reported?.

What's 4 times worse than getting into a physical altercation in the lobby of a 5 star hotel, pissed, wearing only your jocks?

What's 4 times worse than getting locked up for being drunk?

Hey, I might be the world's biggest prude, but I think I can safely say that there's no way I've ever mucked up 4 times worse than those guys, and there's no way I will either.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

Trem wrote:

Sorry, I just don't buy the self righteous indignation over this. They are blokes in their early 20s who work their backsides off 11 months a year. And they can't have a blow out? ....

Why the need to have an alcohol 'blow out'??

Isn't there any other type of 'blow out'??

aido · **Joined:** Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:02 pm **Posts:** 184

If the boys can back it up on the playing field i have no issues. If they dish up rubbish in season 2010 then i'll get angry

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