holidays?? what are they??

no such thing down here on the peninsula with all the blow-ins and their credit cards...

different strokes for different folks...

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..i usually agree with ya on most things, but not on this one.. ..selfish can be argued both ways in this arguement.. ..isn't it just as selfish to not allow ppl to work..?.. .... ..as for footballers, plenty of games are played on public holidays..

..in regards to the whole boring/entertain me side of things, that's neither here nor there for me.. ..for me it's about individual choice, and the right to have it.. ..it's also for me, about keepin' religions focused on matters of faith, and not secular policy.. ..religion has screwed enough nations/people over, i think it needs a good length of time tidyin' up it's own backyard..

note - not attacking individual people's faith/spirituality, but the 'organised religions'..

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As a professional football club in the 21st century, you'd like to think that even if they're not playing, they would still be working (ie training), not only on Good Friday, but ALL public holidays during the football season.


I really can not understand your opposition to this idea, Synbad. Over the past couple of years, 95% of your posts have consisted of you banging home the point that the Carlton Football Club should be doing every little thing they can to get ahead of the pack, yet you are vehemently opposed to what would become our equivalent of the ANZAC Day match, which (whether you like them or not) is a massive day for Collingwood and Essendon* because they saw an opportunity, and made it their own.



Hypothetically, if the AFL was to announce that Good Friday football will definitely be included in the 2010 season, whether you agree with it or not, would you not expect our club to do everything they can to make sure Carlton are involved?

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I guess my point was that it is NOT just an ordinary Friday night. And do we, as a community, really need football to be played at every possible opportunity. I'm just not convinced that we do.

If the AFL decide to play games on Good Friday, I hope that Carlton can be a part of it for the profile of the club, but if we are not a part of it, I will have pretty much zero interest in the game and will probably watch the telethon.

Another side point, and it is probably a very tiny one, is that the infrastructure in Melbourne is not really geared up to having any major event on Good Friday. I know that it can probably be fixed relatively easily, but still it is an impact.

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I hope the priests are also not forced to work on this public holiday...how dare anyone be asked to work on GF

What about the TV station employees that are made to work during the Telathon.

Does the police force and airport shut down on GF ?

The list of workers on Good Friday would go on and on.....but football on Good Friday will destroy this nations integrity and family valuues....but jumping on a plane to pi$$ up in Bali is OK

I suspect you're stirring, as is your wont, but gee, you're clutching at straws there aren't you? This thread must've just about run its course.

Haven't heard of too many Essendon* or Collingwood players lobbying the AFL/AFLPA to reclaim their ANZAC Day public holiday...

Flimsy arguments such as this one won't stand in the way of GF footy happening eventually, so best just be thankful that, for most of us, we'll still be able to choose to spend the day however we please.

Nor the Easter Monday Holiday, or Queen's Birthday Monday Public Holiday....

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My thoughts on the matter.
Good Friday is an iconic time on the Christian calendar; going well beyond the lead up to Easter Sunday. It should be a respected date by all, regardless of your religious views and values.

I'm not overly religious, I never attend church, and I have often doubted the such existence of a God. However, I have to respect the significance that this date holds. The AFL are a bit reluctant to introduce a Good Friday fixture, as it would undoubtedly cause a stir amongst communities.

While I do respect the significance that Good Friday holds as a religious date, I don't think everyone should be subject to following it though. Everyone has their own beliefs, and you could still participate in a Good Friday fixture while respecting the date. If a Good Friday fixture was to be introduced, those who strongly believe in the Christian principles could just simply stay away from the match and do what they do on this date. Not that the AFL are a heavy consideration in my view of Good Friday footy (money wise), nor the clubs I believe it would bring much revenue especially to the Good Friday Appeal who should get a healthy slice of the profits. It would improve the already outstanding cumulative donations that are set, thus helping the Royal Children's Hospital immensely.

Despite the potential in such a fixture, I highly doubt it will happen. Although, the AFL could be using the NRL as its experimental rat to see how the Good Friday games go to get a fair indication. Much like the houses of Parliament, Demetriou and his men will not want to touch an area of such controversy.

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"GIBBS."

That doesn't make sense to me.

Is there a day set aside so that Christians have to recognise or respect Yom Kippur, or Ramadan?

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I think you missed the point I was trying to make. What I am trying to say is, if you DON'T believe in it, you should still respect the reasons why others choose celebrate it.

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"GIBBS."

..football isn't played at every opportunity, just it's normal season.. ..good friday is very much an ordinary day to non-christians, except it's a public holiday.. ..they get a juicey four day weekend [factoring in easter monday off too].. .... ..but otherwise, it's just a public holiday like any other through the year.. ..

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..of course there isn't.. ..that's where the hypocrisy of it all lies.. .... ..personally, i don't consider good friday to be of any higher religious significance than easter sunday, which has footy played.. ..now, if yer gonna argue the whole 'mourning' aspect of good friday, why super-impose a christian grieving day onto non-christians, when a day such as anzac day isn't given the same 'respect' [footy wise]..

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Hey KK we are a Christian society like it or lump it - I for one am sick and tired or religious crap interfering with our way of life and people using their so called religions to cause harm to others but at the end of the day I like you live in a country founded on Christian beliefs not Budishm etc etc. Despite not being overly religious even after years of the catholic system incl being a choir and alter boy and getting confirmed as a young bloke I know enough of Jesus's teaching to know that where and when you pray/worship wasnt important to him - what was important was being fair dinkum about it - no half arsed measures just to appease others and look go.

No, we are not a Christian country. We are a secular society which has some laws which have Christian foundations. That we have a population where the majority are either Christian or have the same heritage does not mean we disrespect other faiths, nor those people who have none.

As a society we respect a couple of dates by giving Christians a public holiday so they can practice their faith without distraction if they so desire. Logic says that other faiths should be given the same courtesy or there should be no religious holidays at all.

The fact we give Christians this holiday doesn't mean we must all follow their rituals and beliefs. For people to assert we should by preventing a football match taking place is, for me, offensive and smacks of arrogance.

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I agree entirely. I have no issue with the concept of living in a country which is based on the Judeo-Christian ethic, but there is a massive hypocrisy to insist one day is sacrosanct, yet others are open to plundering for nothing but cash.

Like I said, the "religion" argument is an empty vessel, given footy is played on Easter Sunday, let alone any Sunday during footy season.

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What I'm getting at is that it's no different to any other long weekend for many people in respect of it being "family" time, my family also regularly took the opportunity to go camping over the Queen's Birthday weekend. There's nothing "special" about Good Friday for my family and I'd imagine the same would be true for a large proportion of families.

Good Friday football will arrive sometime IMO, and when it does I want Carlton to take the opportunity to be a part of it.

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KK i din t know how u keep comng up with that USA coin ... "Judeo Christian faith"
Judaism has more in common with ISlam than it has with Christianity.

The circumcision ritual
Halal and Kosher
And eye for an eye.
etc etc etc

christianity is a gentler philosophy...

and this coutry was founded on Christianity...
Turn the other cheek and sacrifice etc... thats what easter is meant to be... a time where you dont think about yourself...

its just others that are pushing that away...and muddying the waters.. and in fact trying to kill it off.

Noone goes to Saudi and tells them not to have Ramadan
And even though alot of Israelis are Arabs amd Muslims and Christians and Druze and secular... they have to do what the jewish religion tells them to...

im orthodox and rarely share my easter with catholics.. i dont go to footy during my eatser...doesnt mean im bored when everyone has a day off for the other one.. nor do i wanna see it dismantled

its part of australian tradition.. too easy to rip things down ...

.. and its alot of people from other religions leading the charge it seems...

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According to the 2006 census 64% of Australians considered themselves Christian. The Federal Parliament opens each sitting day with prayers. There was an effort a couple of years ago by some parliamentarians to drop the Lord's Prayer from proceedings but this failed. While strictly speaking we are a secular state, Christianity features significantly in our parliamentary process and as a nation we are mostly Christian.

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..dude, there's no way that this country was founded on christian values.. ..a penal colony of the british empire, that waged war [genocide in tassieland] on the native population.. ..no mercy, no gentle philosophy, no turning the other cheek.. ..but plenty of sacrifice.. ..just not for the white fella.. ..before that, it was a dream-time country, with a people almost in perfect sync with their enviroment.. ..'christian values' buggered this land well and good..

..so, looking at the history of this island.. ..40k years approx. of an aborigine dream time belief system.. ..200 and a bit years of a christian organised religion.. ..give our country another 200 years and i doubt we'll be christian.. ..hell, we're already down to 64% [thanx stubba].. ..factor in the new influx of immigrants from non-christian countries, and the decline in christian numbers and we'll see how christian we really are....

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