...GAGF!

I know we don't need another thread on this, and I apologise for setting a poor example, but our players need a massive culture shock (if you'll pardon the pun).

Somebody mentioned about speaking to the players at training and letting them know how upset most of us are. I couldn't recommend that course of action any more highly. The players need to be faced with the reality of their actions. They need to feel the full gravity of feelings from the club's supporters.

Forget the admin and management at the club, anything they do or have done is largely irrelevant. Sure, there is an appropriate course of action for the club's management to take in response to these disgraceful actions. I agree Kernahan should go, all of that...

...but, until the players themselves want to change they will have nothing more than potential.

Until they get fair dinkum and prove to themselves they they want to achieve something, they will be nothing. Nothing.

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...GAGF!

+1

gagf + Merry Christmas guys. (group hug)
xxbg72.

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Starting duplicate threads... bypassing the swear filter...

You've changed, man...

But yeah. I'm with you all the way. A big GAGF to the players responsible for this fiasco.

I guess I'll get over it, provided the club actually accepts this as a wake-up call, rather than just punishing individuals. But it's definitely got me thinking along the lines of "Can you still like the club if you think a whole bunch of the playing list and possibly the management, are a bunch of bogan nuffies?"

I'm struggling with that one, I must admit.

It's four players.

It's not everyone.

The media blew this out of all proportions.

It's four players.

In relation to those four you have a point.

But let's just remember the vast majority of our list were not involved

By "not involved" do you mean that they weren't on the boat, while a rookie was tied to a senior player, as part of a stupid drinking game? Or maybe you imagine that those four guys got smashed, while everyone else stopped at half a dozen beers?

Anyone who has a modicum of seniority and was on that boat was "involved".

Pig and Chicken syndrome.

Bullshit All that were on the boat were involved. Our leadership is a s weak as piss. Thats the problem

Sure we can blame players... for club culture.
But they walked into the club culture... it was there before thwy came to the club.. and its promoted from the top .

Get with the program.. were getting the Carlton swagger back.... Ratts wanted the players to enjoy being part of Carlton...
Personally the swagger comes with winning games and premierships.. it was created by the great men of the Carlton footy club... and it was their hard work that gave Ratts and Sticks the Carlton swagger....
The swagger came with great deeds.. it wasnt something artificial that you can just switch on ... and we get it again when we become a great side that has forged out impressive stats.

At the moment.. Ratts and Sticks and all the unprofessional individuals around the club havent brought us is the Carlton Stagger...

thanks boys!!

"Were Carlton @#$%&! the rest!!"

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You can pass the buck as much as you like but at the end of the day the players involved knew what they were doing was wrong.

Someone needs to have the Levi Casboult flogged out of them...

Sure.. but they still must exist within a culture that exists.
The club is responsible for providing a safe environment.

What people dont understand is this is not a once off.. the booze culture is alive and well.

When a rookie gets cuffed and forced to drink for his right of passage... there is a club culture.
Sure the individial commits the act but within what is the norm for the club.

I wanna know who he was chained to and that person should join the other 3 or 4 playing for the bullants for at least the first half of the season.

I want the club to come out and face the situation in the open instead of hiding.

And i want to see an official/officials put their hand up and take part of the blame.

The players are not responsible for the embarsssment alone... the club is responsible.

I think Sticks should take them out for drinks again and have a chat to them.....

Setanta should be encouraged to drink for acceptance.. and if he doesnt like it he should be chained to a senior player and forced to....

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think we get the message ... you're starting to repeat yourself again ...

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Totally agree with this. Also struggling through the same thought process.

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That would be fine Maxy if you could be sure people got the message.

I am not sure that after reading the responses from some on here that it is the case!

The Management of this Club is seriously flawed!

According to some reports up to 50, i repeat 50 people were on this "unofficial" boat trip.

Our management hide behind the fact that it was unofficial but blind Freedy would know that it a football club environment nothing is secret.

Until the Executive of this Club acknowledge that they have erred nothing will have changed and they deserve to get all the criticism that is coming their way!

cos you arent getting the message i have to and need to spell it out.

Was the booze up kept secret from the club?

Blue Mark suggested he has the answers and believes they should board Blackhawks and do a SAS commando training thinggy.

Im not sure they need to have their skills in bastardisation refined...

You know the army has this kind of shitty culture too... and everybody knows it exists.. and as soldiers enlist and retire.. the culture remains... the hierachy turn a blind eye to it deeming it as a right of passage and only involve themselves when there is an accident or a suicide .... and the spotlight is turned on them.

Same with our club...

Alot of people knew it existed... maybe were shocked by its enormity... but if you know anything about anything you knew it was there... and it was not short circuited by the officialdom cos most of them are out of their depth.

they only seem to get involeved when someone gets caught ... and then they have to be seen to be making some kind of statement.
(Fevola and now this)
Which in turn gives impressionables the impression they can do it.

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hey synbad ...

listen mate .... how DARE you presume i don't understand!!!!

pull your head in cos i don't need you to explain it to me!!!!!!

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... an eagle flew out of the night. he was something to observe, came in close i heard a voice, bending stretching every nerve, had to listen had no choice ...

tell us your take on all this and ill let you know if you undersrtand or not.....

Psychology ... is an amazing thing.....
If a kid believes he must not be a square peg in a round hole to fit he will make himself round and fit what he needs to fit into.
This becomes bigger than the individual because it now is about the universe of belonging.
If the norm is to be wax your arse crack youll wax your arse crack to fit in... and if everybody is waxing their arse crax we have a nation of arse crack waxes.. and then its expected and its a cultural thing.

Like the chicks with the rings on their necks.
Or the chinese girl foot binding
Or some cultures have circumcision.. male or female...
Or bikers wearing their colours...
Or getting drunk cos you cant express any other way to show your mates that youre having a ripper time.

All of these things mean that the individual must fit in with the culture in order to be part of something.

So the individuals should not be the only source of blame.

Surely if older , wider people... Sticks Icke Ratts and Swann.. can tell us we have the youngest list in the AFL over and over again.... they can put a stop to whats going on and do not allow young players to be put in harms way.

so the blame must firstly go there... and then to the players.

Having said that the players in question also know what society expects and should be made an example of so as to short circuit the Jimmy buckley Dog Brown culture.

But the officials must also take the responsibility for the environment they are building for young men drafted from all corners of the country and world to enter.

Its a culture.... and its a culture that belongs in the past... just as Boon and Marsh and their ocker drinking culture should be locked up and put in a vault and forgotten about

If thats what Australia is .. a nation of binge drinkers .... it is a nation that clearly understands real culture.

Elite athletes and drunken behaviour is a contradiction.

Heads should roll.. players and officials .

For if you have ever wondered why were shit... and have been at the bottom as long as we have... try looking at professionalism.

We lack it...

We lack it on field and off field

But its much easier to see what happens on the field than in backrooms

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