Not buying a membership or ripping up the one you already have will not help solve the problem. Yes, its frustrating, disappointing and I'm angry. We were starting to turn the corner, we'd made a positive stance trading Fev and now this has made us a laughing stock amongst opposition fans again.

However, this is a problem that faces the WHOLE club, its not confined to a couple of individuals. As supporters, we are part of what makes up that club. To not buy a membership is the equivalent of just running away when times get tough. Stay involved with the club, go down to training and talk to the guys involved and tell them how disappointed you are. I think you will find that that would have a rather big impact on a player, especially one like Eddie who gets so much joy out of interacting with the fans.

Not buying a membership leads to less revenue, which leads to more difficulties in establishing the mechanisms, facilities, education and training that is required to get the club into one that can function professionally.

Members can make a far more positive contribution to helping turn the club around than simply walking away.

Like many of you, I feel shattered and so ashamed of my club. Todays news is just about the last straw. I have yet to renew my membership, I will of course but will make the club wait and stew on it for a little while longer.
Next year, with GC17 hovering we have Gibbs, Kreuzer and Yarran all coming out of contract. Would you blame any of them if they looked elsewhere?
The only good part of this whole saga is at least there was ONE responsible player, someone had to have called Casboults parents. It was probably one of the younger ones!
What a pack of morons.

I dissagree in this case. normally i'd be 100% with you but we need change and the fans can make a clear statement that we are not happy.

I will not blindly pour my money into an organisation rotten to the core.

Today i'm ashamed to be a Blue

Normally that would be exactly the point I would be making, but not this time.

This club needs to prove it's serious about cleaning up its act.

But if the fans aren't there, what reason is there for the players to change? To try and win the fans back? If the fans aren't there, what is the likelihood of sponsors coming on board, especially considering this recent incident. I too agree that the fans need to make a clear statement about their displeasure, I just dont believe that walking away is the way to do that. And you should never be ashamed to be a Blue, just like with the Fevola scenario, this club is bigger than a few people, be they players or administrators. We will get through this, we will get stronger as a result of it and we will continue on our way to number 17.

At least it is christmas tomorrow and it might get us off the front page of the papers and news reports.
Merry Christmas everyone.

this is embarrassing.. I feel embarrassed to be a Carlton supporter. I have just been in Perth where I saw on the news Essendon* and Collingwood doing charity events while we have this. I have been lamenting our lack of profile in the media over the past few weeks. I guess you should be careful what you wish for.

And the tying up one of our younger players to get him comatose drunk... ffs. What parent would want his kids coming to our club or re-signing? and only a couple weeks after he joined.

And yes it starts at the top.. (sticks) but I cant see how/when this will change.

We will go nowhere.

Time to go and spend christmas with my family.. I've invested too much emotionally into this friggin club. Merry Christmas everyone! All the best to you all!

I feel you're missing the point entirely - witholding membership/sending it back/emailing concern to the club it's all sending a message to the people running the club (more than the individual players themselves) that this cannot and will not be tolerated by supporters.
You're right that the club is bigger than the individuals - and that why this reaction is so intense -beacause most people are starting to realise (myself included) that it's the whole club (and it's management/leadership/culture) that is the problem.

We need Yarran... hes the man that breaks up the fights between the players...

Actually... you would have to worry with what parents are thinking picking up the paper at the moment.

Its pretty pathetic that we BOAST we have the YOUNGEST LIST and use that as an excuse.. and have @#$%&! all infrustructure to guide the YOUNGEST LIST through PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL.

So the question is.. do we think theyre too young to play football... and not too young to be in a rotten culture???

The youth thing is a smokescreen...for a lack of preperation
What should be happening is the club should be laying down the infrustructure properly for young men to become winners.
Obviously thats not happening.

If we cant keep them out of drunken culture pits there is no way the footy development is any better

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Geez, the report in the Hun today about the young recruit being forced to drink, and being rescued (pretty much) by his folks is probably the most alarming of all the recent stories about the club. That is a tell tale sign that drinking is a widely accepted part of the club's culture, in fact it seems to be an initiation to the club at player level.

Seriously, there is clearly a major problem at the club, and my frustration is now turning towards Swann, Kernahan, Ratten, Icke and Judd. There is a bigger picture here, and the leaders have failed to address it.

The scary thing is, I bet some of the golden boys in the team were probably egging on the young recruits during the drinking game, so it would be folly for fans to think the problems at the club rest only with Betts, Houla, Robbo, and Tex. They're just the ones who got caught/mucked up. It would appear most of the team are involved in serious drinking.

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Keep turning over the list to get rid of these clowns.

The responsibility of grass roots members... US!!

For too long too many members have had their heads in the sand and blindly supported a clearly questionable culture of selfishness and disregard for the well-being of the CFC by on and off field staff.

For too long too many members have blanketed, ridiculed and silenced those who are concerned enough too shine a spotlight on the warning signs which aids those who continually sweep the trash under the carpet.

You, the grassroots membership have to shine the light on those who are the caretakers of our club or you, the grassroots members, are a major part of any culture problem.

Grass roots members need to do their bit.

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There's so much I could say...

Ok can people fill this out in dot points and not long paragraphs

What has happened:

* Whole Football club got drunk as skunks
* Eddie Betts arrested
* Robbo popped shoulder in scuffle
* Crown debacle with Houli/Walker

What does this mean to the club now:
* Lose sponsorship? Whatelse
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Spoon fed

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Actually if i hear us say we have the youngest list one more time ill throw up...

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'Most immature list' might be more accurate.

I get what you are saying mate and I completely agree that it would send that message, however, I think that it would also have far-ranging detrimental effects on the club, which would create new concerns that they dont need to be spending time trying to deal with whilst this problem hangs over our head. Surely, the perfect solution would be for most aspects of the club (including membership) to be ok, so that they can spend all of their energy and resources dealing with this issue.

It all comes down to two things: how is the club going to deal with the issue? What role can supporters play in this? I struggle to believe that the best thing supporters can do is walk away.

I seriously hope the sexual assault in Port Melbourne last night involving an AFL player does not involve us. SEN will report more as it comes to hand.

I've just written to the club outlining my disgust. I suggest as many of you as possible do the same. Fill up their "inbox" with emails that outline your disapproval.

Perhaps the passion shown by supporters and members that this type of behaviour is totally unacceptable may get through to some of them.

How dare they do this to my club.

I'm embarrassed, shattered and angry.