to those bagging the bloke who said robo was out of control ....

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carlton-bl ... -lcbe.html

As things stand now the ditching of Fev was a monumental cock up of huge proportions.....and he hasn't even started kicking goals for Brisbane yet.

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Its getting worse

I guess if you expected the offloading of Fev to be some kind of magic silver bullet that would overnight transform the booze culture of the club (a culture that has been over a decade in development), then I see how you could arrive at that conclusion.

If true about Betts, he should be shown the door.

You are out of your head if you believe that. Fev getting away with his indiscretions year after year has only reinforced this behaviour in the group. Had he been shown the door earlier, then I think most of our players would be a little more fearful of being involved in misdemeanour's.

Personally I would slap a 10,000 lap penalty to any player who gets plastered as a bit of a cleansing ritual, maybe then they might start to understand that getting blind drunk is not acceptable way to treat your body as a professional athlete.

And further to that, they are suspended from matches until they have completed their penalty. I bet you that they will have a second thought about that next beer if they are getting a little tipsy and we won't have any more players that are so drunk that they lose their ability to make smart decisions.

So what do you reckon we can get from Brisbane for Walker, Houlihan, Betts and Robinson?

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It's pretty simple really.

If you can't drink responsibly (ie, stop before you disgrace yourself and the club), then you should be requested by the club to not drink at all while you're under contract.

If you don't agree to it, we'll trade you as soon as we can.

I really can't see how the club can hope to build a premiership culture unless seriously hard calls are made with these guys.

The question remains - just how dumb are these guys?
Eddie Betts has just seen his drinking partner unloaded
The whole team has seen Fev got rid of
Walker has hardly played for 3 years
Houla will be borderline for a new contract
Mitch seems like a hyperactive bloke who is borderline nuisance, and well beyond the border on the grog, and he has played about 10 games
Do any of them think they are not expendable after what happened to Fev?

And what of our leaders? Juddy is a super star who leads by example but he seems a little uncomfortable with the captains role of babysitting meatheads.
How about the grog gets turned off when the first player gets too pissed
How about they get a very clear message about not getting so drunk that they fight with each other or get locked up for D&D.

I'd start them all with the Ants for the first 4 games, and keep them there if they haven't learnt their lesson.

I am happy for boys to be boys, but not when they are professional highly paid athletes in my team.
I expect them to be doing everything for an extra 1 or 2%.

There is a difference between being a wowser, and expecting players to have a drink but not get fighting drunk; monumentally stupid drunk; or disorderly drunk.
Learn how to hold your drink, or don't drink
We might have a few players to swap for draft picks with GC next year.
I suspect after the Fev saga the club would find the stupidity of these guys and who ever organised a 15 hour booze-a-thon.
I suspect a few cards will be marked for the end of the year.

I think its time every one at Carlton understood the old play hard party hard culture needs to be buried for good!

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http://www.theage.com.au/afl/carlton-bl ... -lcbe.html


"SEN radio is reporting that Betts, 23, of West Brunswick, was locked up by police at 4am on Sunday morning in Melbourne after being arrested for being drunk and disorderly. He was released after four hours and issued with a penalty notice for $234. He will face no further action from authorities.

Robinson, it is reported, 'popped his shoulder' in a scuffle on Saturday night, then went home to Tasmania on Sunday and sustained a black eye in a second altercation."


Nice one, boys. FMD.

100%

Walker is sooooo disappointing for me. You'd think a bloke who's barely been on the park wouldn't be doing a single thing to compromise his preparedness for next year. The club have contracted him - again. On promise alone - again. And he involves himself in this situation.

I'm not really disappointed in Houlihan because I have no expectations of him, either on or off field. He's been on autopilot for 10 years and I wouldn't lose any sleep if he never played for us again.

Betts has serious form now. Has turned up to preseason out of shape, last year's training no show and now this.

Some of these blokes should be headed to GC17. If we've got to lose players to them, I'd rather it be this lot than others who are taking their careeers at Carlton seriously.

Not that I would ask for much in this regard - just be able to enter the casino, avoid being arrested or fighting in public. It's a heavy burden while on serious coin, I suppose... perhaps it IS too much to ask.

Might as well write 2010 off now, if half of our team already have been and looks like they will be playing for the Ants for the first half of the season lol

Will be lucky to field a starting 22 at this rate!

Words fail me, so I'll use emoticons:




same crap different year, actually not even a different year yet!!!

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While I am extremely angry at the players for not having any self control, the question has to be who at the club organised a boozy boat cruise and then expect nothing to happen! If you pump young men with free booze of course they are going to take full advantage of that.

If this isnt a sign of a booze culture at a club then I don't know what is!

i agree, just so disappointing.

Of real alarm (and was also the case on Bronlow night) was the lack of leadership from the top.

Its fine for Swann to say that it is disappointing ( which it clearly is) but where is the leadership from the top?

Whilst the Club cannot be expected to hold their hands 24/7 it is not unrealistic to expect them to have a fair idea of the ramifications of the long sessions.

With regards the boat, it would be fair to suggest that the Club knew it was happening so at the very least a "minder" should have been around.

What did they expect a swag of young blokes were going to do after a day out?...kick on would be the obvious answer!... Blind Freddy could see the ramifications of that.

As for the Brownlow incident every thinking Carlton supporter watching the event would have known a train wreck was evolving in front of them.

Senior executive there should have defused it, but starting from the top the Chairman should have made sure somebody i.e Icke or Swann got around there quick smart.

Leadership clearly is lacking and Sticks has never learnt that his role doesn't allow him to be one of "the boys" any longer.

We only have to think of the drinking session until 3.30 a.m after the Brisbane loss to realise that!

yet this may well have been a club function where it seems a few of the lads got plastered. Did the club endorse this end of year party? Did it supply the grog? Has the club set about showing these young men that they must drink responsibly? (Words are useless without the modelling). If so, by either organising, sanctioning, or supplying, then can the club be disappointed when young men, when pissed, make dumb decisions? I would have thought history is littered with dumb decisions (and worse) by drunken people who when sober act rational.

I want to know if the club had any hand in the setting up and structure of this end of year event. If it did then its the club I am angry at not Houla,Tex or others.

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Anyone get the feeling Scott Clayton may be on our speed dial soon?

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