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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:55 pm 
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Getting tougher and tougher and that is a positive.

A dominant midfield and run along with our ability to use the ball well will win games.

Named:

B: Browne Thornton Russell
HB: Yarran Bower O'Keefe
C: Waite McLean Gibbs
HF: Walker Henderson Carrazzo
F: Betts Kruezer Garlett
Foll: Hampson Judd Murphy
Int: Robinson Hadley Grigg Austin


And will line up like this:

B: Browne Thornton Russell
Gibbs
HB: Yarran Bower O'Keefe
C: Waite Garlett McLean Judd
Foll: Hampson Carrazzo Murphy
HF: Henderson Betts
F: Kruezer Walker

Int: Robinson Hadley Grigg Austin

Unlucky and well up to it: Anderson, Jamison, Warnock, Joseph, Armfield, Simpson


Lots of run and kicking ability. Flexibility with Austin who can go back and forward and Kruezer into ruck with Hampson. Walker and Waite can play tall if needed. Will match up well against any top side and has options aplenty.

Waite to play loose win ala Richo and sometimes Walker as well. Walker to be a real target inside 50 as well as on the ground.

Hard bodied midfielders in Hadley and Grigg to support Carrazzo and McLean. Carrazzo can also fill a defensive forward role if required. Hard bodies in Browne, Russell and O'Keefe in defence.

Judd to play more 'outside' and pushing forward. Open forward line with attacking mids in Murphy, Judd, Garlett pushing in.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:41 pm 
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Sounds ok in theory, but Jamo, AJ and Simmo are all in my best 22 barring injury.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:13 pm 
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under the theory that we have a fully fit list to choose from, i think our best 22 lines up like this:

Fb: thornton-jamison-joseph
Hb: gibbs-bower-russell
Mid: waite-murphy-simpson
Hf: Walker-kreuzer-yarran
Ff: Austin-o'hailpin-betts
ruck: Jacobs-judd-mclean
Int: warnock-robinson-houlihan-carrazzo
Emg: Scotland-carrazzo-henderson

It was hard leaving out scotland, henderson, browne, garlett, anderson, wiggins, fisher, hadley, henderson, lucas, grigg, hampson and armfield but it is a sign that we're in a great position in terms of our depth.

I chose jacobs as the starting ruckman as i feel good tap ruckmen can give delivery to judd murphy gibbs etc far better than hampson, kreuzer and cloke gave us this year.

I have waite on the wing, playing in the famous richo/goodes role which he'll help defensively but also really damage opposition sides when in attack (like when he'd kicked 3 on richo in round1 by halway through the 2nd quarter).

Kreuzer at CHF, not FF, as he's like another follower, so having him closer to the ball is what we're after. I also have chosen o'hailpin ahead of henderson, fisher etc as FF as i've all but given up on fisher, and henderson i havent seen enough of to warrant him being our full forward straight off the bat. I'd also like to see austin as a FF option as anyone who's been to training has seen the condition he's in, and his footskills are very solid also. And our shot at goal:goal ratio has been an issue for years and footskills are a must.

I have walker and yarran as half forwards, great lead-up options both with speedy and accurate footskills to deliver the ball to our tall forwards better than we've seen in recent years with fisher and wiggins etc.

I may have left out a bit of leg-speed in my best side, but my focus was on disposal efficiency and proven reliable players. FF and ruck are the obvious difficult positions to pick but im expecting alot of rotating in those spots this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:21 pm 
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Teen Spirit wrote:
under the theory that we have a fully fit list to choose from, i think our best 22 lines up like this:

Fb: thornton-jamison-joseph
Hb: gibbs-bower-russell
Mid: waite-murphy-simpson
Hf: Walker-kreuzer-yarran
Ff: Austin-o'hailpin-betts
ruck: Jacobs-judd-mclean
Int: warnock-robinson-houlihan-carrazzo
Emg: Scotland-carrazzo-henderson

It was hard leaving out scotland, henderson browne, garlett, anderson, wiggins, fisher, hadley, henderson, lucas, grigg, hampson and armfield but it is a sign that we're in a great position in terms of our depth.

I chose jacobs as the starting ruckman as i feel good tap ruckmen can give delivery to judd murphy gibbs etc far better than hampson, kreuzer and cloke gave us this year.

I have waite on the wing, playing in the famous richo/goodes role which he'll help defensively but also really damage opposition sides when in attack (like when he'd kicked 3 on richo in round1 by halway through the 2nd quarter).

Kreuzer at CHF, not FF, as he's like another follower, so having him closer to the ball is what we're after. I also have chosen o'hailpin ahead of henderson, fisher etc as FF as i've all but given up on fisher, and henderson i havent seen enough of to warrant him being our full forward straight off the bat. I'd also like to see austin as a FF option as anyone who's been to training has seen the condition he's in, and his footskills are very solid also. And our shot at goal:goal ratio has been an issue for years and footskills are a must.

I have walker and yarran as half forwards, great lead-up options both with speedy and accurate footskills to deliver the ball to our tall forwards better than we've seen in recent years with fisher and wiggins etc.

I may have left out a bit of leg-speed in my best side, but my focus was on disposal efficiency and proven reliable players. FF and ruck are the obvious difficult positions to pick but im expecting alot of rotating in those spots this year.


I think at least one of the Hendersons should play.......

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:06 pm 
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Jacobs is developing into a decent tap ruckman but IMO doesnt offer us enough around the ground.

Just isnt as mobile and athletic as kreuz and hammer are after the bounce or stoppage.

This isnt a slight on sauce just that some of kreuz and hammers 2nd and 3rd efforts are unbelievable.

Not in my best 22.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:33 pm 
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Agree about Jacobs.

Good tap ruckman but thats about it. Not sure why we promoted him really.

Hope he proves me wrong. To me he is too lumbering and will not offer much around the ground.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:44 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Agree about Jacobs.

Good tap ruckman but thats about it. Not sure why we promoted him really.

Hope he proves me wrong. To me he is too lumbering and will not offer much around the ground.


Can't agree with you at all on this one drewgirl. Pre-injury this year Jacobs was doing quite well around the ground - at least in terms of covering ground. Further, I think his ball-handling has improved dramatically over the last 2 years. I watched an intra-club and he was picking grubber kicks up off his laces without braking stride. He also generally takes the right option, too, whether that be a quick handpass off or kick.

FWIW, I agree with all those who suggest we play Austin as a fwd this year. Really showed his marking is A1 but suffered from being pidgeon-holed in defence this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:09 pm 
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IMO our best wins early this year were when Jacobs was in the team.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:41 pm 
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Future Updates
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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:23 pm 
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latte thanks wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Agree about Jacobs.

Good tap ruckman but thats about it. Not sure why we promoted him really.

Hope he proves me wrong. To me he is too lumbering and will not offer much around the ground.


Can't agree with you at all on this one drewgirl. Pre-injury this year Jacobs was doing quite well around the ground - at least in terms of covering ground. Further, I think his ball-handling has improved dramatically over the last 2 years. I watched an intra-club and he was picking grubber kicks up off his laces without braking stride. He also generally takes the right option, too, whether that be a quick handpass off or kick.

FWIW, I agree with all those who suggest we play Austin as a fwd this year. Really showed his marking is A1 but suffered from being pidgeon-holed in defence this year.


Jacobs was selected for his size.

But lets not forget he's also a footballer.

A lot of times you don't get both; similar to picking athletes who aren't AFL footballers (Benjamin, Marchesani, Prendergast) and it's not the whole package.

Jacobs hand and foot skills are exceptional. Size is deceptive.
He moves around the ground well, but the poor bastard is competing against Warnock, Kreuzer and Hampson. It's not a blackmark aginst his ability just because the other 3 have more of 'the package'.

I'm glad we've got 4 good ones on the list. Relieved. The envy of all other 15 teams.
I call it depth in quality. Whilst you can keep them, you do. Of course 1 of those 4 are going to be chased by other teams in the future.

Some call having 4 ruckmen 'trade bait', and it is to an extent having ample stock like we do.
I call it 'great' depth. :gift:

I'll take ample quality (depth) any day, fully well knowing that in the next decade we are going to have a lot of good players poached by other teams offering more, such is the quality of our list. If we lose quality (which we will) quality rises to fill the void. So isn't it good to have abundance in rucks, KP's and midfielders (imo)? Delicious. That's the way to win flags.

We've been building this team since we drafted Walker, and we came from a long way back.

Keep Jacobs on the list.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:39 am 
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B: Thornton Jamison Carrazzo
HB: Russell Bower O'Keefe
C: Waite McLean Joseph
HF: Walker Henderson Gibbs
F: Betts O'Hailpin Yarran
Foll: Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Int: Hampson Hadley Simpson Houlihan

Main thoughts are that AJ will be used tagging best midfielder, and as Carrazzo made his name as a back pocket and can pick up small forward / resting mid he will be stationed there.

Understand most of the world (TC Forum on Carazzo) indicated fwd for Carrazzo, but for team balance can't make it work

Glaring hole for me is hb flank scything kick to hit forwards lace out. Russell made hb breaking the lines his own last year but still not a great kick IMO so have taken a punt on O'Keefe for delivery - could be Grigg (Helicopters???) or Armfield (not sold on delivery either) or new boy Davies (bit early)

On that would love Gibbs there but IMO still best in the midfield. Case in point Swans game we won. Tagged Goodes and got carved up in first half. Moved into midfield second half and he carved up the Swans.

So that means Judd to change with Gibbs on HFF - nasty for opposition to have those 2 "rest" in fwd line :wink:
Kreuz to change with Hampson (or 206 or Sauce, whover owns it pre-season)
Mclean to change with Hadley - got to have that hard nut midfielder in the pivot at all time
Murphy to change with Simpson - Don't know if Simmo is up to centre square but with my structure willing to give it a go....
Houla to rotate through fwd line with Yarran and Walker

Unlucky Robinson, Scotland and Austin

Man we are putting a list together though :eek:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:22 pm 
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FB: Thornton Jamison Armfield
HB: Russell Bower Grigg
C: Simpson McLean Walker
HF: Houlihan Waite Gibbs
F: Betts Henderson Yarran
Foll: Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Int: Hampson Scotland O'Hailpin Joseph
Emg: Warnock Hadley Austin

backline: can't really split armfield, anderson and browne but i think 1 of them should be played every week on the opposition's best small forward. when there is a monster forward ala brown we are up against i dont think bower is quite big enough so i'd like to see one of austin, waite or ohailpin thrown down back for that job.

midfield: judd, gibbs and murphy to spend roughly equal time in the middle maybe about 70% of the game in the midfield, 20% up forward for both and 10% on the pine. i'd like to see mclean given a go on his own at the start but if after a few rounds it becomes obvious he can't shoulder the workload of the in and under extractor type player all on his own then i'm happy to have him and hadley in the same line-up (hopefully injury wont stop us from doing this). obviously joseph will also be spending a lot of time in there on the opposition's rover.

rucks: warnock is very much an unknown to me but if he is just about dominating in the twos i think we do have room for all 3 of our athletic ruckmen in the same line-up. im not a big fan of releasing kreuzer up forward but i think it would be worth a try if warnock and hampson are beating their opponents in the ruck and around the ground.

forwards: i want to see waite at CHF and hendo at FF and for ratts to persist with this as much as possible. yarran to also get a lot of time in the forward line with players such as gibbs, murphy and judd having regular rests up forward, to teh point where one of them is always in the forward line.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:15 am 
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FB: Thornton Jamison Armfield
HB: Russell Bower Gibbs
C: Simpson McLean Scotland
HF: Houlihan Waite Yarran
F: Betts Henderson Walker
Foll: Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Int: Hampson Hadley Carrazzo Joseph
Emg: Warnock Austin O'Hailpin

Really like Gibbs coming off a HB flank. He's a great competitor and keeps a cool head, with the skills to setup a move forward.

Hadley and Carrazzo to add hardness and run to the midfield rotation. The team really missed Carrazz in the first half of the year IMO, a much underrated player. Hads is really key for this midfield, that big bodied mid with great vision, a terrific handballer if sometimes questionable by foot for mine. Uses his size and strength to release Murph and Judd into space.

Am a big fan of Walks and the way he attacks the ball and the man. Hendo will need quick, defensive minded players around him in Betts and Walks and with delivery in from the likes of Houla and Yazz, hopefully his first season in blue is made as easy as possible.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:59 am 
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B: Joseph Jamison Thornton
HB: Russell Bower Walker
C: Carrazzo Gibbs Simpson
HF: Yarran Waite Murphy
F: Garlett Henderson Betts
R: Kreuzer Judd McLean
INT: Hampson Robinson Grigg Lucas/Browne/Armfield/Austin/Wiggins depending on what we need.

My wingmen are the mids that I think are our best at running back into defence.

I love Murphy's work across half forward when he's given the chance so I hope with the addition of McLean he's given more of an opportunity down there.

I'm hoping that after a season and a full pre-season that Garlett and Robinson will benefit from it as much as Aaron Joseph did.

I like the idea of just playing two talls in the forward line like we did last year and focus on defensive pressure, hopefully we'll keep that for this year.

A lot of people don't seem to rate Grigg anymore but this time last year he was going to be our next big thing, injuries held him back last year but I still have a lot of faith in him becoming a very good player.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:52 pm 
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not for the last time,

armfield jamison thornton
bower austin russell
simpson gibbs lucas
robinson waite walker
betts henderson yarran

kreuzer judd murphy

mclean joseph carrazzo warnock/hampson
dont mind if grigg, scotland, houla, gartlett, hadley and o'hailpin all get a game now we have depth,
go blues 2010 and beyond!!!!!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Interesting...the last 4 posters have all got Waite at CHF and Henderson at FF, surrounded by 4 smalls/mids (the mids being Robinson and Walker). I really like it. I think we have suffered from being too top heavy in the forward line in recent years (meaning if the ball hits the ground, easier for the opposition backline to run it out).

The trend seems to be 2 talls forward (Mooney and Hawkins, Kozsitske and Riewoldt, Brown and Bradshaw/Fevola) surrounded by smalls. I'd be rapt if Ratts went with that game plan up forward.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:06 pm 
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Siegfried wrote:
Interesting...the last 4 posters have all got Waite at CHF and Henderson at FF, surrounded by 4 smalls/mids (the mids being Robinson and Walker). I really like it. I think we have suffered from being too top heavy in the forward line in recent years (meaning if the ball hits the ground, easier for the opposition backline to run it out).

The trend seems to be 2 talls forward (Mooney and Hawkins, Kozsitske and Riewoldt, Brown and Bradshaw/Fevola) surrounded by smalls. I'd be rapt if Ratts went with that game plan up forward.


Yeah it's good, but don't get upset when the whole HF line (3) are upfield contestin the ball and then it comes over their hrad. There's a FF and a FP or 2, but no marking linkman at around 40-50m out.

If the midfield isn't dominating and the smaller HF's and FP's better be scintalating or else.

What I don't want is rovers roving off rovers, I'd rather have a 3rd marking target and have the rover/ mid roving off him.

Different philosophies, that's all. Anything can happen on the day. You just hope the coach gets it right.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:11 pm 
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My first post:

This team for round 1 2010

B: Bower Jamison Joseph
HB: Houlihan Thornton Scotland
C: Simpson Murphy Waite
HF: Gibbs Kruezer Yarren
F: Henderson Setanta Betts
Foll: Hampson Judd Murphy
Int: Walker Warnock Robinson Mclean


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:17 pm 
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You obviously like the Murphy brothers Deanbo. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:38 pm 
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Deanbo wrote:
My first post:

This team for round 1 2010

B: Bower Jamison Joseph
HB: Houlihan Thornton Scotland
C: Simpson Murphy Waite
HF: Gibbs Kruezer Yarren
F: Henderson Setanta Betts
Foll: Hampson Judd Murphy
Int: Walker Warnock Robinson Mclean



So x2 Murphy's and a suspended Judd ??? Seems like a killer rd 1 yeam to me ............. hehe


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