Seems you're more interested in baiting, point scoring and ego-tripping than a positive contribution Still this is only an internet forum I guess.
Digger may have been good I don't know much about the workings of the Board.
You were on ignore for your 35-page Maguire thread...

IMO a few people are still waiting for a disciplined policy statement from the sailor instead of just rabbiting on...

Welcome to TC Digger!

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Molesy. i didnt say he is hurting the club by being on the board.
I said he is adding nothing so if he moved on along with some other individuals the club would have an opportunity to allow others who will add something (take note im not saying this is michael spartels or isnt michael spartels)... and indirectly they are hurting the club as such.
there is a problem with a footy club that has blokes who are totally underqualified.
Underqualified means what????

Well it means they dont have the nouse to create a culture and environment that is in the best interests of this footy club.

You take a look at the presidents of the other Victorian AFL clubs.. and you dont see past players who have served on succesive failed boards over a decade skippering.

And i would think on any kind of board there is a minimum requirement from board members.

MArk Harisson said that he didnt have to bring in a million dollars to this footy club as he promised cos Pratt "empowered" Harrison and the board members....

"Empowered" Harrison to not bring in the money he promised?

Which president would want that??????

And the "empowerment" means what???... what was Harrison actually empowered with and what are the results???

Sure that sounds like a hard question.... but everything im questioning the guy on is something he has said himself.. or he has tried to do...

Its not like im making all this stuff up......!!!... unless im not understanding something....

So molesy dont get sensitive. Im pretty sure Harro can fight his own battles....!!!...

And as a Carlton bloke... im trying to spot a light on whats going on.
I always believe sunlight is the best disinfectant... not darkness.

This is personal to me.

I love my club
Its brought me great joy.
Then cos we didnt take an interest in it .. it was run into the ground.
Im determined to do everything i can to make sure that never happens again.
Amaterish board members and cartoon presidents wont cut it in todays big money elite sport world.

This is a new era... and its no coincidence that since the footy landscape has changed.. our VFL culture is our Achilles heel.

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Seeing i missed the cut off for running.(this time)
And the chances of me donating to the club millions and therefore i get a ride on to the board...to make sure its used ok...are next to bugger all..
ill comfort myself with putting the spotlight on Harro.. and seeing what he has offered my club in the time he has been there.
Ok?


You do a fair bit of baiting yourself Georgie... so youre like the kettle in the pot black story.
Didnt you think about that???

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All this bickering amongst ourselves leads me to my earlier point about forgetting who is on the board, we need a strong president and at the moment we do not have one.

Does anyone know or care who is vice president of the USA? Well I do actually but you see the point. The focal point of the club is not the board, its the president. Sticks had a second to none track record as a player and captain. But can the same be said of him as an administrator.

The pressure should not be on Mark H, it should be on finding a new Dick Pratt if there is one out there. Does Sol Lew barrack for Carlton? Or what about the ex National Bank guy?

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I find this disappointing and selfish. This thinking only narrows down the pool of candidates. The board should always be looking to enhance value of CFC, if there are candidates who are willing, and can contribute more than the current board members, then the lack of interest in the dark days should not be a disqualification. If the same thinking was applied to the playing list, Chris Judd would have never made the cut. It is also worthwhile to remember the Richard Pratt came on board only after the members had kicked out the squabbling and incompetent board chaired by Smorgon.

In playing terms, this board needs injection of class and talent, currently we have too many foot soldiers and list cloggers from the Elliot & Smorgon boards, riding on co-tails of a very good CEO and work initiated by Richard Pratt.

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We need the foot soldiers. Any administration needs the foot soldiers. Who knows the board members at Geelong or Hawthorn? But everyone knows who the presidents are.

And work work initiated by Pratt? What about the work initiated by the current president if there is going to be a debate.

Our foot soldiers and that includes the maligned Mark H are all successful in their own right (I think). They are not hacks.

But they are not the leader. Remember Harry S. Truman - "The Buck Stops Here".

So I reckon the only reason why anyone is pointing the finger at a member of the board is that they are not a club legend ....

We have a constitution, everyone is playing within the rules, let them fight it out.

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Teddy,,, the problem with Harro is he isnt a footsoldier.

And i agree re Sticks.

He is Carltons biggest problem right now.

People think im making personal attacks on these guys.
Im questioning their abilities in the roles they serve for my club.

Which anyone with half a brain should be analysing anyway and not just going along with everything that happens.

I thought we have all learnt from that.

Sticks the president
Harrison the board member with nothing to show for it.
Ratts the senior coach.

But it doesnt stop there.... each person working at the club should be held to account .

I find it extraordinary that staff positions throughout the club have not been reviewed and we just havent paid people out and headhunted the best nation wide.
After all thats what were supposed to be.
Number 1.

It just seems to me that were just allowing the status quo to contrinue or filling spots with mates.
Do we lack the professionalism required or do we have a serious money problem?

If its money.... why did Dick "empower" Harrison by stopping him from getting the million dollrs he promised???

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Quite honestly Synners, the only person that is not being honest is you.

So far you have claimed that Harrison was getting a cut on the Carlton Mortgage Fund which was explained very clearly that it is 100% owned by the CFC

You claimed that he hasn't contributed to the club and is there purely to hang on to the tails of the more financially prominent at the club to which he has explained that he contributed $50,000 which is not an insignificant amount.

You also had a go at the Pub deal claiming that it would have bankrupted the Club, to which he acknowledged that it was a mistake to make public announcement prior to due diligence being completed, but also that there would have been no risk to the club as it would not be sitting on the balance sheets.

You also are ranting on how Dick Pratt empowered Harrison so that they did not have to meet financial promises when in FACT he stated that Pratt empowered the STAFF (ie Icke, Swanny) so that the board can again function like a proper board and not a collection of hands on executives.

You were also harping on that Harrison promised to bring $1M to the club in which he responded by saying " Stephen Moultan and I suggested we could attract $1M between us. I did not personally attract $500,000 in new business but perhaps the number is $250,000 which consisted of new and the retention of disgruntled old."
Now I know that it's only half of what was suggested, but it's not that nothing was done as you are implying.


Now you also make some very valid points like Stick as president, board needing to be accountable to members, board members need to be elected in a democratic process and the need to move away from a boys club mentality.

The problem is your constant badgering of certain individuals at the club muddy's your arguments into being nothing more than a rambling from a disgruntled member who has the sooky la,la's because things aren't being done the way you like.

Grow up, have some respect and argue the facts, not your opinions. This is a Carlton board, not Richmond please keep that in mind when you post.

Where did i say he was making a cut???
I questioned him on how its set up and workd.
A guy thats given the club 50k over 3 years ... should be commended.. but alot of blokes not on the board give more than that a year .
He bankrupted the clubs credibility by getting Swann to announce the shithouse pub deal..Not to mention that Swann would have felt like a goose listening to him.

So Pratt empowered the Icke.. and that meant Harrison can go about doing his job as a director to NOT bring in the monies he promised??? Is that what youre saying???
What is it you guys are saying.

Harrison promised money.. not to go to ex sponsors or current sponsors for more.
You actually dont look at that when you are setting out quotas.
Harrison when he made his promises did not know Pratt will be on board and old money would come back.

So im ASKING about new dollars... virgin corporate dollars.

LOOK... i didnt state that Harrison stated that... on his last election platform.
Im just bringing him to task on it.

Harrison has brought very little to the club that the club would not have already had.
Its very easy for him to come out and refute my allegations.. sure he came out muddied the waters some more and ran away...

And as for his "Were a united board".. why didnt the other two sitting board members come out as one union and say "We dont want change?"

The truth is the board doesnt want change.... but of they lose Harrison they can live with that....

He has been asked to step down if my info is right and i dont see any reason why it isnt.

Harro isnt a walk up start to get his seat back....!!!...

Even if Jish thinks he has more firepower than Spartels.
Alot of people would doubt that.. and i guess we will know for sure next week.

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I reckon there are a couple of issues. I'd rather a different president but that's not what the election is about. Spartels is probably a good Carlton man but he was involved with the Social Club and football club during the Elliott era and that means I have reservations. My main gripe with the club is too many footy mates involved and the premature extension of Ratts contract. This is not a debate about Ratts capability as a coach but rather about why he needed a contract extension so far from the end of his first contract. So I'd be looking at Board members who influence footy decisions, so if I was voting anyone out it would be Gleeson. I think we need a few ex-players on the board but we don't want to continue the mates coterie. I'd like an ex player or two to challenge the thinking and to be from different eras or at least mindsets from those there.

I like to keep the Pratt connection but not for us to be too subservient to it. The idea of appointing an unelected board member because he is a Pratt suggests a monarchy rather than a democracy. I'd hope any Pratt would want to stand for election and be voted in. I am a little concerned that Sticks is liking his Pres role a bit too much. Possible it is a Ronnie Reagan/ George Dubya presidency where the backroom advisors wield the power. Mainly I want to ensure all taint of the Elliott area is gone forever. Hopefully jack never gets reinstated as official club clown and we continue to get new people on board. Spartels has made some good points but to me electing him would be looking backwards rather than forwards. I'd like a change but to someone new.

Sorry you did not say he was making a cut, but your comment

"Third , im interested in the Mortgage company that has been set up and id love to know who the shareholders are (i think i know... know anyway) but id like it to come from Harrisons own mouth.. and who benefits from it directly... (including how much the club actually benefits seeing that its been bolted onto the club to farm and harvest business)"

Implies that Harrison was a shareholder and therefore would benefit from the deal.



Please stick to the facts, were was it promised that the monies would be virgin corporate dollars?

Also the job of the board is not to raise money, but to provide direction and governance of the club.
It is the responsibility of all members and supporters to assist in the finances of the club and this includes board members, directors, executives and staff. This is done by memberships, fund raisers, gate receipts, merchandise and sponsorship.
The board helps this process by presenting the club in a professional manner that makes it attractive for corporate citizens and businesses to be associated with the club and leverage marketing from the clubs image.




It's always easy to refute lies and innuendo. Present the facts and it is much harder to refute.



A wise man once said that a man looking through binoculars can see a lot of detail of very little.

Your info has been wrong before and do you have a bone to pick with Mark or are you merely the puppet for your source?

To be fair to Synbad, the implication during the election was that Harrison and Moulton would be bringing new funding into the club.
I also had concerns that Mark and Stephen were utilising the re-signing of existing long term supporters and sponsors to inflate the figures. I understand that they may be been sidetracked in their endeavours but I also support Synbads right to ask the question. Commitments were made.

As for ensuring propriety, unfortunately the club went through a phase where questions weren't asked or welcomed and that almost resulted in CFC going down the gurgler. Perhaps Synbads methods are less than ideal but lets not try to diminish the opportunity to question those on the board.
I personally have concerns and thankfully Mark has addressed some of them.

I must however say that I dont feel entirely comfortable that Fiona Geminder is endorsing a board member in his election material at the same time that an agreement has been made to second her husband onto the board..


The endorsement is fantastic for Mark but the timing is poor and creates an environment where suspicions could possibly be raised. IMHO we've been poorly advised on this issue especially the timing of it's announcement.

As for the candidates, I'm not suggesting we need a change on the board and I personally dont know Michael Spartels and nothing I have read makes me feel that he will add a lot however the opportunity for quality, qualified candidates to challenge for positions should be welcomed and in fact encouraged. We dont want a closed shop. People who can offer innovation and specialist skills should be sought and encouraged whether they were there in the dark days or not. An ongoing board position is a not a reward for putiing up your hand in the tough times. We should be about improvement and innovation because the reality is, we're still a long way off the pace off field.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I support the ability to ask questions of incumbent and prospective board members.

I don't support the abuse of that privilege.

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