No what you said.. is he wasted 50k of the clubs miney and 20k odd of his own....

he didnt.. there is a process.... its called an election.

and Mike would have known before he spent his own money in a campaign that he had some kind of chance.

in fact he would have received assurances from some people that they would help with his power base.

(No not me... cos im insignificant)....

... but people much further up the chain.

Youre saying and agreeing with Mark Harrison that Spartels by exercising his members right to run for the board and investing probably 20 odd thousand diollars of his own money...pissed the clubs money against the wall... which is not true.

Thats the reality of having a club and members etc.. the club must budget for elections.
Harrison ran and expected the club to put up for his own election campiagn.. (which he chipped in with a couple of others to save money mind you)
Mike ran as an independant in the past and again.. which means he picks up the tab for his campaign himself.

Dont underestimate the process or some of those within the process.

And if you think Mikes refernces are not worthy..... what is it about Marks that has you all excited???

The fact he spent 50k over 3 years??.. cos i know people on this board who have spent more ... and arent running for a seat...

the failed pub expedition.. when we snnounced it on the advice given by those instigating it.. and then having to embarassingly retract it..
Or the fact he called up "disgruntled sponsors"?


Must be some reason why this election shouldnt go ahead???...!!!

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dont put words into my mouth

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I don't know why Mark Harrison has been singled out from the other board members facing election and re-election. Could someone tell me? From what I can see, he has come on Talking Carlton under his own name, and in an electioneering letter provided an email address and mobile number to communicate directly. I have taken advantage of this.

Instead of the mudslinging between the posters I went to the source. MH seemed a decent, rational and intelligent sort of guy.

I'll tell you what worries. Sticks Kernahan. He was on Elliott's board. And Collins. And Smorgans. And now he is president.

Rather than worrying about board members I reckon the best thing for the club is a good president. Sticks was one of our best ever players and from all accounts a great guy even if he was on those boards, but is he really up to it as the CFC president?

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Oh Teddy... I fully agree with you - but talk about a Pandora's Box!

Sticks has my full support. Sure it's been a learning experience for all coming from the days of the Dictator through the dark years. IMO Sticks and Swanny would be able to get a few tips on corporate governance from someone like Mike Fitzpatrick. Fitzy would have been ideal for El Presidente if Elliott had not had the effrontery to force Fitzy off the Board. What the Club is going through now is part of the lingering effects of Elliott's legacy.
It's Sticks' role to oversee the processes that determine membership of the Board.
The disaster that was Elliott's presidency was due to Elliott's ego and hubris. Sticks does not come across as an ego-driven man like Elliott, more like a servant of the Club.
I do not have an axe to grind as I don't know anyone at the Club or on the Board.
IMO we should be very cautious about the sailor's approach because it could destabilise the Club.
IMO the sailor should find another way, say who he is and stand for election and accept it if he's not elected.

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Sticks was Elliots right hand man... and collos... and Smorgos.. and Pratts....

One thing Sticks is.. is the constant in our worst ever era...

And the scary thing is this.....

Sticks can kill 10 men and he can still do no wrong....(No im not suggesting Sticks would kill anyone.. hes a lovely guy... but he isnt board material let alone presidential material)

So im about accountability!!!!

Why would others want Sticks there???... cos noone will challenge them with Sticks there.

Look there have been some pushes to get Richard Newton to lead... a man who is far better credentialled.

But what Sticks does... is he makes them ALL pretty safe.

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This is an extremely disappointing thread. You dont invite a person into your house and berate or belittle them. You dont invite a representative of the Carlton Football Club to talk and question or undermine everything they say, in some attempt to cast shadows.

As with everything, there is a wrong way and a right way and this has spiralled into a contemptuous pot shot session. Ask your questions with a bit of respect for someone who has done the yard hards for my football club.

Both Mr.Spartels and Mr.Harrison have made an effort on TC and for that I thank them. I think its fair for those seeking election who use an election method such as this for their own benefit to get the downside of additional questions, but some of the accusations on here are just below the belt and entirely scurrilous.

I'm waiting for the sailor to state his policy as a Board candidate.
We've seen all the slurs on people at the Club and rumours and hyperbole and contradictions so many times that his credibility is zero. Is that the sailors's policy statement?
It's time for the sailor to show a bit of the discipline he reckons people at the Club should have and construct a policy of his own instead of dishing up rubbish.
And stop hiding behind a fictitious name.

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Isdonis.george....

'snip'

Im not running as a board candidate.

There are often people that dont run but like answers.
Throw me in among those.

If noone asks anything.. noone knows anything... remember that george... !!!

Sure we dont have to be told anything.
Sure we dont have to ask anything....

But that already happened .... late nineties onwards.


Everyone thought we were doing good.. and if it wernt for a few injuries and our first wooden spoon.. we wouldnt have been any wiser.....

.. since that spoon we won other spoons....

.. shit happened and then Richard came with his money... but Richard isnt among us anymore..and Sticks is president... what are Sticks qualifications to be president isdonis.George???

Fill us in???

You mean to tell us in all of Carltonland only Sticks is presidential material???


If people dont wanna know.. thats their business... i wanna know... ok????


and molesy...

.. you dont walk into a persons house ask for a favour and a hearing... make a bunch of promises borrow some goodwill.. and then not be accountable with what happened after you got what you wanted...
Right???

Or is that what you do???

You must....

Cos you cant have it both ways when you talk about inviting people into your home.

Mark Harrison used this board to gain a position on ther board.
He made a bunch of promises to be elected.

He said ONE MILLION DOLLARS IN NEW BUSINESS...

the fact is he didnt do it..

Then he says that Richard Pratt "empowered him" to not bring in money...

So im sniffing a rat .. and id like some answers.

I know i didnt vote for him... but others did on the back of that. Remember he ran with Smorgon and if we allowed no process and no new candidates it would be Smorgon and Harrison and friends.. and no Swann and no Judd...

So you keep vigilant.

And you must keep vigilant.

Sure there are those who try to hush you down....!!,, Good luck to you!!!... but its in every mans interests for their own good.. to make sure difficult things are faced not run away from and hide from...

Keep up the ripper work!!!

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Whilst the chances of Synbad actually winding up on the board are about one in a million, imagine how embarrassing it would be if he actually did. The hysterical hissy fits would be fodder for the likes of Patrick Smith and Caroline Wilson.

Stop nominating Synbad people, for the good of the Carlton Football Club.

IMO a few people are still waiting for a disciplined policy statement from the sailor instead of rabbiting on...

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Don Chipp had a theory of keeping the "bastards honest" and I think Synbads contribution is similar and I dont have a problem with him or anyone else keeping members/potential members of the board on their toes...most of us stuck our heads in the sand and let Elliott and co drag the club down to its knees and I think its important we dont get complacent and think Richard Pratt's/Visy money is the final solution and we find the best most proactive members to take us forward.

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Good point.

As I've pointed out before, Synners might come across pretty heavy handed at times but the man is frustrated with the people who are leading this club at board level.

I think that presser where Sticks made an absolute dick of himself in front of Tony Jones re: Fev's alleged sexual assault situation proved that Sticks doesn't cut the mustard.

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Fair enough Chipp asked questions. There are ways and ways of asking questions.

Don Chipp was constrained by the rules of the Parliament in asking questions such as they are.
Casting slurs on people at the Club and rumours and hyperbole and contradicting yourself - it needs to be better than that.
People are still waiting for a disciplined policy statement from the sailor instead of rabbiting on...

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PJ and EB there is a massive difference between asking valid questions and inferring impropriety. TC is a leading Carlton forum because people like this come to 'our house' by choice. You might have had a look at other forums over the years and this doesn't take place - this is a positive here and something we shouldn't take for granted.

Synbad no one denies the right to ask questions but you are insinuating this man is damaging the Club. You are pulling Harrison aside and suggesting he is benefitting from Premier Finance personally. In any political stoush you would be done like a dinnner but forum life means we can have nicks and can sit at our desk and ponder things whilst casting vicious barbs about those that look after our Club.

Nothing in anyone's response undermines a bit of respect for our leaders - that we voted in to much fanfare if you dont mind - more than your posts.

I completely agree with budzy that we need democracy; we need process; we need more names; we need choices; we need differences. Excuse me if i see nothing in the provided materials that offer this. We need vision and we need answers. But there's a way to ask things and when a Carlton director comes on site I think we can offer him due respect, mellow out from the TC name-calling and actually have a civil discussion. Many posters on this site rely on it, and will benefit from it.

Hushing you down from berating Maguire is one thing - a thing that didn't happen by the way - but trying to be civil about these things is much more than your most recent tirade; it is a reflection on the site and a potential limitation to hearing from people whose name is actually known.

+1.

At the risk of rehashing a recent thread, the fish rots at the head.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

Haven't had a good chuckle on TC for a while, but Synbad posting 4 times in a row was very amusing - sure signs of a frustrated individual.

Budzy, I also don't know why you had to get personal, all I commented on earlier was that people should check how everything works before making big statements.

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It seems to me a few are basing their case on the assumption that Sticks has learned nothing in the 11+ years he's been on the Board. That's a big assumption and it's where your argument falls flat. IMO it's a bit arrogant and holier-than-thou to assume that. He was in a position of little real power when Elliott's cabal controlled the club. Evidently pretty much everyone was a mushroom when Elliott was President e.g. player contracts.
Parko said the club would be set back ten years at the time when Evans took out his spleen on Elliott and Carlton. IMO Parko was dead on. Three years to go.
Sticks deserves big credits for the re-emergence of the club.

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Was actually designed to lure you into posting that you read my posts when in actual fact you say you have me on ignore.
So you lose another one.

Cant say i dont set my traps and use patience.

Look,
Mark isnt being honest and he has not shown the courtesy to a forum he used on a campaign platform in the past.
You cant have bets each way in life when youre in a position like that.
I want him to come and state to us how he went with the promises he made on here to his audience.
And id love to know what his performance was like.
The beauty of an election is we have an opportunity to take a better look at the individuals who have made electoral promises and how they backed them up.

Now Mark is running.
Im not sure why i get pulled up by isdonisgeorge and molesy cos Mark wont answer questions but expects to have a walk up start for another three year term.
If i say its pathetic.. its cos i believe it is pathetic!!!

Politics is quite brutal..and its quite unforgiving.
There is so much at stake.
If you cant handle the heat you should get out of the kitchen....

Just avoiding this till friday just shows Mark up.
Basically it sums up what his term was about.

You cant not need a forum to gain a seat on the board and then hide to keep it.



I know Mark wont come on.

By the way... one of our best board members over the last 10 years was Lorraine.. she was way ahead of some of these guys when it came to initiative. She probably didnt fit the blokey mentality... but she sure had balls!!!

If board members want to keep spots with puff pieces were not going anywhere....

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Thanks Molsey.

A bit of civility and a bit more respect is the expected standard at TC.

I'm a little embarrassed in the way this thread has deteriorated.

I was worried about that happening right at the beginning of the thread, as stated, back when Italian Blue came on a bit strong with a few barbs.

Why would a Director want to come on TC in the future and be a sitting duck, for posters to take pot shots at them?

Must admit that Mark did also let himself down with his $50K costs comment. We all learn and move on.

I hope Mark H returns to the site to add more to the direction Carlton is heading, and doesn't get sucked in; it's a privelege to have a Director of the Board to come and communicate to us on TC.

We all barrack for Carlton remember. Forget about the egos. Leave them outside Carlton business.

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