Great response.

You sound like a very well educated and humble man.

You must be from Monash.

I'll be very disappointed if Dick Pratt actually didnt leave any money behind for the club after his death considering his wealth and love for the club.

Just for clarification, nothing I have or have not typed should be read as relating to the Board. I don't know the Board, I don't know the individuals, I don't know what they bring, and to be honest, I think their function is vastly overhyped.

The board need to be dismissed cos they rely on the Pratt family handouts still.

Love to know what happened to the Harrison/Moulton fund raising promise which was their political platform.
Also id love to know what happened to the pub deal Harro and Moulton had the club proclaiming publicly?

Were still dependant on Pratt family fuel to keep things going at Carlton.... cos a board of Sticks as president and a few empty suits just doesnt cut the mustard.

So why should the Pratt family bankroll Carlton ?

and of course a Pratt family member should be a walk up start on the board. Obviously its not going to be Jeannie... so the logical one id Ralph.

Which means that due to our unhealthy reliance on the Pratt family were a defacto privately owned footy club..
But thats what happens when you have a bunch of do nothings and incompetants on the board who are not capable of getting the club to stand on its own two feet.

Im glad Mike Spartels ran for the board... not cos he would make a difference... but because he paves the way to allow others to challenge a board run by Sticks that lacks grunt.. that has little direction and does not have the pull of what a Carlton board should be capable of having.
Not many people have the guts to run and rock the boat.
Noone is going to challenge Sticks... who is not even capable of chairing a family Christmas lunch let alone the Carlton football club.

There is nothing embarassing about a guy like Spartels Josh.. whats an embarassment is a guy like Harrison who wont face the music here...and hes been there for a while without having contributed anything.

Harrison has used this board countless times for his own benefit.
He has a chance now of coming in and growing a set and illustrating to us what he has contributed during his term.
Not doing it is an embarassment because its people like him.. and NOT Spartels who have allowed this club to be virtually owned by the Pratt family, due to their very minimal output of performance.
they have been HIDING behinf Pratt energy..and have created !@#$%& all themselves.

Harrison has the opportunity to explain to us what he has contributed.

But he wont....

Cos its a useless contribution....

From the money he promised to come up with...

To the Balls up where he had Swann procolaiming the eleven pubs... which would have killed the club...

and id like him to explain to us.. who are the stakeholders of the Carlton Mortgage Fund.. and how it ACTUALLY works and what the club ACTUALLY gains from it annually and who ACTUALLY benefits... after all it is using the Carlton brand for business....

See i dont agree its overhyped.
If thats the case why did we throw out Elliot and that board?
Why was there a backlash against Smorgo?
Why did the addition of Pratt stabilise things?
Its overhyped why make the board bigger?
Why have a 10 odd man board anyway?

Their role is to seek out opportunity and provide direction.

Otherwise theyre just there for their own egos.

I agree with a lot of what you say to a point.
I agree that Sticks needs to step down as Pres and someone like Newton to fill the breach. I agree it is problematic that one of the clubs main income streams comes from Pratty, and it is equally problematic that we are relying on him to bankroll us from the grave.
However, I cannot agree that replacing Harrison with Spartels will solve any of these problems. Surely the onus is on Spartels to prove why he would be a more worthy candidate than Harrison on this board. Harrison has the connections, the acumen and the passion to remain on the board as far as I'm concerned. You can point out failed pub deals all you like- the facts are that the failure lay in the fact they didnt get off the ground- the club did not lose anything, it just didnt gain anything.

The board has deadwood coming out of its ears- I cant believe Wilson is still on the board- and while the club and its baord need to start standing on its own two feet, you still need good people to ensure that the transition into the post- Pratt era is a smooth one. I dont see how Spartels will be better suited to move our club into that era than Harrison.

No doubt it is extremely important Synbad, just the election is generally overhyped. A Board sets the strategic direction of any enterprise and focuses on key risks, management oversight and governance (clearly the Elliot issue and board overthrow relate to the lack of governance up to that point), and for us over the recent decade this has been an issue. Determining the relative ability of Harrison v. Spartels v. say Synbad on a footy forum is a hard one to determine and is often hype over substance. We talk about commitments to the cause etc. but in simple words this is hard to pick apart. Actions are the best way to determine this and all the candidates would seem to have put their name on the line for the Blues so that's a great start.

Can't talk to the right number of people on the board, as you have and would know better. I recall Mr.Pratt making a comment about 8 being the right number?

IF the Pratt family love the club and want to assist as much as possible and it was one of Richards last wishes that his family remain a big part of carltonfc then is it really so bad that they sort of unofficially own the club by continueing to contribute providing they have a say in how its run? Would that be the end of the world?

I am just asking as to me that scenario has a just as many things right as it does wrong in my eyes at first glance.

Just for clarification, nothing I have or have not typed should be read as relating to the Board. I don't know the Board, I don't know the individuals, I don't know what they bring, and to be honest, I think their function is vastly overhyped.

Visy sponsor the ground.. they pay wages to key employees... contribute to the footy dept and continue to bankroll other investments in man and infrustructure.
But this is hardly healthy.

I agree with a lot of what you say to a point.
I agree that Sticks needs to step down as Pres and someone like Newton to fill the breach. I agree it is problematic that one of the clubs main income streams comes from Pratty, and it is equally problematic that we are relying on him to bankroll us from the grave.
However, I cannot agree that replacing Harrison with Spartels will solve any of these problems. Surely the onus is on Spartels to prove why he would be a more worthy candidate than Harrison on this board. Harrison has the connections, the acumen and the passion to remain on the board as far as I'm concerned. You can point out failed pub deals all you like- the facts are that the failure lay in the fact they didnt get off the ground- the club did not lose anything, it just didnt gain anything.

The board has deadwood coming out of its ears- I cant believe Wilson is still on the board- and while the club and its baord need to start standing on its own two feet, you still need good people to ensure that the transition into the post- Pratt era is a smooth one. I dont see how Spartels will be better suited to move our club into that era than Harrison.

Seek to understand before you're understood.

OK to ask a question, but hold out on the lip if you don't know the facts or the value; that's plain arrogant imo.

I suggest that in the nicest way.

Only 3 lines of gibberish this time bondi?... you can do better


...and kingkerna... well the name says it all