How many ring ins has there been the last few years?

Someone of RP's stature is an extremely rare exception, but if the movers and shakers share Josh's contempt of the grassroots democratic process what's the point??

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4 words Josh...it was just a question.

Take a chill pill.

They get the flick next term.

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i agree with budzy


and molsey

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Thats 5 words Cazz.
To quote the great Simon Dart, "put the best people in the best places and the rest will take care of itself."
Budzy- democratic process shmedocratic process. Happens in politics all the time- when a high profile candidate stands for a seat, they get a far easier ride than the Thomas, Richards and Hareths of this world.

Sorry for having a few principles and standards...

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Thanks Josh, maths was never my forte.

I agree with Caz and budzy on this one.

Once the fact he was Mr Pratt's SIL became known he'd have been elected anyway. Electing Mr Pratt to the board was an exception.

Why dont we just do away with the election process, save some money and let the board select themselves?

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Leaving aside the argument of whether the democratic process should be adhered to at all times, or whether there should be exceptions for certain people, if this story is true, I thinhk this is fabulous news for the Club.

What Geminder did with SE Dragons was nothing short of a miracle. He built a team from scratch, and within a few years, that team had the highest crowds in the league, and won a Grand Final.

From everything I have heard about Geminder, this is a coup of the highest order.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

I absolutely agree he's a great addition, and we really shouldn't have to rely on the members voting for him, in order to get him onto the board.

However, instances like this (and the little debate that's happening here) shine a light on a nasty little problem AFL clubs like ours have.

They need to operate as businesses, and must therefore make many decisions in a business-like manner. But they also have this strange thing called grassroots members, and must also appeal to them.

It's a pretty tough balancing act, and it can seem at times (to me at least) that the club is all warm and fuzzy and inclusive when it wants something from us, and all corporate and ruthless and exclusive when it doesn't.

This is NOT a criticism of the club, because I really don't think they any choice but to act in this manner.

HOWEVER, I am critical of the ways in which the club communicates to its members and supporters. It would be the easiest thing in the world for the communications department to manage something like this, by pointing out to members the exceptional circumstances etc... instead of sending mixed messages with on the one hand holding an election for board members, and on the other hand, making a direct appointment.

What are the members meant to think about the whole process, if it's not explained to them?

The CFC is actually pretty ordinary at the whole communications thing. Has been for ages. I'd hope they'd become more professional, more flexible, and a little more 21st Century soon. But it doesn't look like it just yet.

Seek to understand before you're understood.

OK to ask a question, but hold out on the lip if you don't know the facts or the value; that's plain arrogant imo.

I suggest that in the nicest way.

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perhaps people should read the rules behind the whole process prior to getting all righteous

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Funny how people have to go to an election and the timing of this coming out is now.

The bpard wernt happy with his original request to join the board...the board actually preferred to keep the same faces around,
Im pretty sure Mark Harrison would confirm this.if he is honest

Also this is a leaked story... alot of people wernt happy about it apprearing in the newspapers.

If you read between the lines .. and notice the timing of this.. (druing an election)... misspekt board members names and in one case the worng guy... Jake Niall isnt a flower....he is the best journalist going around i find it hard the mistaes were an accident.. but more a message to members on the board...

then there is the message that pratt didnt leave anything in his wwill.. so its a case of if this board cant cut the mustard.. and they cant.... they have to go to the pratts for more money.. and i hear thats whats happened.. but it wont be handed over to the club without strings... the strings are a seat on the board.. no matter how much the keystone cops on the board dont like it... they cant cut it.. we still rely on pratt... sad isnt it??.. and they have to allow a pratt family member on board..

.. and why should he go through an election like the rest of the bananas??

they rely on him!!!

no sponsor currently...

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The Corporations Act provides for this procedure for good reasons but am not a corporate lawyer.
There are advantages for the Club in having a corporate structure and once you do that this aspect goes with it.
It seems to be designed to be reasonably democratic but is not a pure Westminster parliamentary model.
Ultimately the whole Board has to be re-elected so if you feel so strongly on this issue you can vote against them.
I'm relaxed about this, it seems to be continuing the Visy support of the club that has been very beneficial and has rescued the club from oblivion.

So long as he doesn't start a "Bring Back Fevola" campaign.

Bring Back British Rail...

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I've never really followed the political aspects of the club very closely.

The sponsor situation though, as alluded to by Synbad above, has me worried.

As I mentioned in the Tourism Malaysia thread, by all accounts it was always only going to be for a year. So an effective management and board should of been planning for the 2010 and beyond situation way back. To be in the position of not having a major sponsor at this point in time does not speak well for the current board imho.

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The board need to be dismissed cos they rely on the Pratt family handouts still.

Love to know what happened to the Harrison/Moulton fund raising promise which was their political platform.
Also id love to know what happened to the pub deal Harro and Moulton had the club proclaiming publicly?

Were still dependant on Pratt family fuel to keep things going at Carlton.... cos a board of Sticks as president and a few empty suits just doesnt cut the mustard.

So why should the Pratt family bankroll Carlton ?

and of course a Pratt family member should be a walk up start on the board. Obviously its not going to be Jeannie... so the logical one id Ralph.

Which means that due to our unhealthy reliance on the Pratt family were a defacto privately owned footy club..
But thats what happens when you have a bunch of do nothings and incompetants on the board who are not capable of getting the club to stand on its own two feet.

Im glad Mike Spartels ran for the board... not cos he would make a difference... but because he paves the way to allow others to challenge a board run by Sticks that lacks grunt.. that has little direction and does not have the pull of what a Carlton board should be capable of having.
Not many people have the guts to run and rock the boat.
Noone is going to challenge Sticks... who is not even capable of chairing a family Christmas lunch let alone the Carlton football club.

There is nothing embarassing about a guy like Spartels Josh.. whats an embarassment is a guy like Harrison who wont face the music here...and hes been there for a while without having contributed anything.

Harrison has used this board countless times for his own benefit.
He has a chance now of coming in and growing a set and illustrating to us what he has contributed during his term.
Not doing it is an embarassment because its people like him.. and NOT Spartels who have allowed this club to be virtually owned by the Pratt family, due to their very minimal output of performance.
they have been HIDING behinf Pratt energy..and have created @#$%&! all themselves.

Harrison has the opportunity to explain to us what he has contributed.

But he wont....

Cos its a useless contribution....

From the money he promised to come up with...

To the Balls up where he had Swann procolaiming the eleven pubs... which would have killed the club...

and id like him to explain to us.. who are the stakeholders of the Carlton Mortgage Fund.. and how it ACTUALLY works and what the club ACTUALLY gains from it annually and who ACTUALLY benefits... after all it is using the Carlton brand for business....

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synbad why dont you run for the board?

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

im better than the people on the board...but not as good as the people who should be on the board... so im out of my depth.. just not as much as some of those on the board are...

which means that im more honest with myself than alot of those on the board are with themselves...

The President is a REAL worry.....!!!

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Great response.

You sound like a very well educated and humble man.

You must be from Monash.

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said in jest I hope

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