After the past 7 odd years of poo, aint it nice to not have a bloody clue, who'll make our best team and who'll miss out??? Finally we have depth and can cover injuries , should /when they arise. Most positions are up for grabs in our team and that competition for a spot in the 22 alone will improve our group.

Go Blues.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Was harder than I thought! Getting the balance right is the most difficult thing. Need players for rotations, so I don't think we would ever line up like this (until last quarter of Grand Final.... )

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

i reckon a lot of you guys are naming sides that are too slow and tall for modern day football. also, no way waite will play key position anymore. we have the guys to fill that position and he is to valuable playing loose and causing havoc.

concerned about setantas ability to play 22 games and need to see warnock play some games before naming him. need lots of run and rotations. aussie and henderson could easily play key forward from what i have seen.

russell thornton jamison
gibbs bower grigg
waite mclean simpson
walker henderson carrazzo
kruezer austin yarran
hampson judd murphy

hadley joseph robinson betts

e: garlett armfield browne

Austin spent most of his time this year being undisciplined and making mistakes imo

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#23: Lachlan Henderson

Waite is 194 cm. He's tall.

Doesn't it make us 'too slow' to have a 6'6" wingman?

And there's 4 talls in your fowardline.

Maclean. Carrazzo and Hadley in the same team; midsized players who are not known for their pace.

I too reckon Austin is a KP.

Just mucking around TheInsider. You too have a lot of talls in the team; it doesn't matter as longer as they are mobile and quick. We're lucky that all our talls are just that.

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hey bb, my comment was on players are 'slow AND tall' not one or the other. waite for example is athletic and will cut sides up on a wing where he can also help back and forward. i also include players that are quick with ball in hand and with their delivery. there is a massive difference.

ps saw aussie the other day and he is massive. kp for him no doubt and my bet is he will play between chf and ff. would also be one of the best kicks in the side.

I know where you're coming from. I was trying to be tricky with words. I agree we have ample talls and can't fit them all in, and with Cloke and Fev gone, in theory they should make way for Henderson and Austin.

I reckon the best of Setanta is ahead of him. If it doesn't happen in 2010, well, he will be replaced. That's where I think with a bit of patience Austin will fill the void.

I have Austin as a classic CHB who can read the play and run and cut through the lines, like Bower does. I've seen it with my own eyes, and I've got it recorded, Austin will be a very athletic heavyweight. Come to think of it maybe I've pigeon holed hism at CHB.

Our midfield is hot, no worries about that.

The most contentious selection in this debate (best 22) is whether we can play 206, 202, & 200 in the same team (Warnock, Hammer & Kreuzer). After that its who is the CHB and who is the CHF & FF. Can Setanta, Henederson, Austin be in the same team with the above?

And what about the 3 defensive pillars we have in Jamison, Thornton and Bower?

It's obvious we can release Waite and Walker: 2 super quick talls with x factor.
I've been waiting to free Walker and Waite from defense for over 2 years. Wings is what I earmarked. Who cares, they have x factor and we've got them at our disposal.

It's amazing how things change when you don't have to consider injury when selecting.

The question of who will stand up is the real x factor.

Players with injury clouds: Will Warnock, Setanta, Walker, Waite? Jamison, Austin, Maguire, stand up? At the same time? I doubt it. We need them all for depth.

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hey guys, some really good sides coming through here!

just my opinion but does anyone agree that scotland adds that bit of mongrel and toughness to the half-back line... i rate him and think he is a walk up start! i understand that his pace is slightly lacking but really like his field kicking and decision making.

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I would say he would start in rd 1 but would hopefully be fighting tooth and nail to retain his spot by mid season and be unlucky to miss out on our finals campaign ................

FB:Armfield Jamo Thornton
HB:Russell Bower Gibbs
C:Simmo Murph Waite
HF:Betts Walker Setants Yarran
FF: Kreuzer Henderson
FOLL: Hampson Judd McLean
INT:Warnock Joseph Carrots Hoops
EMERG:Grigg Scotland Fisher

1. I see Joseoh more of a tagger than BP
2. Army has good pace and backs himself running of the backline (hopefully hi kicking improves in preseason)
3. Hampson 1st ruck till Warnock earns it
4.play Kreuz and hendo out of goal square with crummers runnin with flight
5 Setants is more of a CHF i think, takes strong marks, courage to barge packs and will go with flight of ball, plus i think i would rather kreuz takin more set shots than him.
6. Waite runnin a musk on wing Richo style like he did last season a few times

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well said bb. some good points. the big thing for me wont be the best 22 but how ratten uses them and how we get the best out of them. we have the potential, can we turn it into reality?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Looking that over again, I'm not going to make any changes to the 22, but Lucas definitely comes into the mix in an emergency slot, in place of Browne.

People will cry about not selecting a tall, but with the exception of selecting Talia, what was available would have only provided depth at the very bottom of our pool of talls. For mine, Davies & Lucas are immediately in the top bracket of our remaining midfield pool; one injury and they are in the selection mix.

They also place pressure on Anderson, Armfield and Russell to sure up the medium defender roles. Johnson has failed in this position for us, and while he may still have a future further up the field, we can now sleep at night should our delistings look something like this next season:

Anderson
Wiggins
Johnson
Fisher
Hadley

That's a good thing.

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And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

.. ....yeah i'm inclined to stay with what i have, and see how things are looking towards end of pre-season training.. ..Lucas or Davies might come on quicker, both seem like they could be AFL ready.. .... ..and i'm hoping Knockers is right to go, and is able to be our primo Ruck, otherwise Krooz would go back into the ruck i guess.. ..would assume that Lucas will break into the team in the not too distant future..

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Im a fan of the non conventional abit like soccer where you pick 443, 542 etc

b: joseph jamo thornton
hb: russell waite bower
c: gibbs[attacking] mclean[defending]
hf: walker[run to wing] yarran[run to goal square] kreuzer[arc to arc] betts[run to goal square] simpson[run to wing]
f: henderson
square: ohailpin
r: warnock judd murphy
ic: houlihan scotland carrazzo hampson

This is TOUGH! Great to see how hard it is.

I reckon Lucas will play, and I think we'll try to free Gibbs up to play half back flank.

So here goes with my 'conventional' 22:

Back: Browne Jamison Bower
Half Back: Gibbs Thornton Russell
Centre: Simpson McLean Murphy
Half Forward: Robinson Henderson Walker
Forward: Waite Setanta Betts
Followers: Kreuzer Judd Joseph
Interchange: Hampson Yarran Lucas Scotland

I'd love to fit in Grigg (he'll come good), Garlett, Hadley, and Austin. I also think Browne is one to watch for next year, and have him in the squad rather than Armfield. Not sure that I am not too tall in defence, but I do have some run on the interchange.

Gee... no matter which way I look at it, we have really beefed up our onball department. A very exciting part of our list. We have newfound pace, ball winning ability, and aggression - exactly what was needed.

Righto, I'll have a go. I know nothing of the draftees, so will leave them out and assume they will play twos next year.

B: Armfield Jamison Joseph
HB: Bower Thornton Grigg
C: Waite McLean Simpson
HF: Yarran Kreuzer Murphy
F: Walker Henderson Betts
R: Warnock Judd Gibbs
I/C: Hampson Carazzo Houlihan Robinson
Emerg: from Russell Hadley Austin Scotland Garlett O'hAilpin Jacobs Draftees etc

Comments:

- I love the thought of Waite as a swingman...think back to Round 1 v Rich 2009. Running the wing, drifting back to help the defense and running forward to cause mayhem.
- One of Kreuzer or Waite must be the second tall forward. With Waite on a wing, Kreuzer gets the job. O'hAilpin for me isn't the answer. As much as I admire what he has achieved, and recognise that last year was his best year, I don't think he will ever become consistent enough to be anything more than a backup tall. If Kreuzer is played forward, IMHO, he must be played at CHF, not FF. He is so mobile, and that is such a strength for him. Let him roam around the top of the arc. I think he suffered last year being played out of the goalsquare, it is too limiting for him.
- That means that Henderson goes to the square.
- Last year we played 4 talls down back - Thornton, Jamison, Bower and Waite/Austin. While mostly it worked, I think ultimately it is too tall, especially with the current trend to only 2 tall forwards. This creates some what of a dilemma. I think ultimately Austin is the one for CHB, he seems of all of them to be the one whose body will be big enough to play on the Browns of this world, and I thought he showed enough last year to suggest he will be a player. So if that happens, who misses out?
- I know Grigg had a poor year last year, but I think ultimately he will take Scotland's spot. Shame he doesn't kick like Scotland.
- Russell could also easily take that spot.
- Going through this exercise, I can empathise with those who questioned taking 3 mids at the draft. We are certainly starting to develop an amazing depth of midfielders...the question (as has been debated at great length) is whether it is at an unhealthy expense for tall forwards.
- Looking at that team, and where I think it needs to be come Round 22, the weaknesses are Armfield (disposal and sometimes defensive work), Grigg developing, Austin potentially taking CHB, and if he does, who misses out (nice problem), Yarran stepping up, Henderson developing, Warnock staying fit and developing.
- Still unsure about where Walker's best spot is.
- It's a pleasure how difficult this is to do.
- I'll shut up now.

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Jimmae,

Thanks mate. I've used this tool for a few years and this is the first time I ran out of space on the field before I ran out of players I thought deserved a spot in the starting 22. I reckon the competition for spots will start to show on the field this year.

The biggest thing I found was that Scotland has got be a bench player. I reckon having quality experience and skills coming off the bench (ala Crawford for Hawthorn in 08) is V important for premiership teams.

No more gaping holes for us...