Reading an article in The Australian this morning.

It says in the coming few years with the draft concessions for the new franchises, a club that finishes 5th on the ladder will have just one pick in the top 40.

That is a significant fact.

I know we have a young list and that puts us in the best possible position to not only challenge for a flag in the coming years but to also hold us in good stead when the draft becomes compromised, but I wonder what policies and practices the club will implement moving fwds to make sure when the draft concessions end we don't find ourselves too compromised.

A Kade Simpson will be about 28 by the time we are able to participate ion the draft without it being uncompromised.

And a J.Waite will be 30.

Time waits for nobody.

Let's discuss...

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I think the best move might be to throw away all other marking criteria for the draft pool and do what we did in the dark days (supposedly): take THE best player. If there's a split on talent and choice between two different types, take the more valuable type (i.e. maximise trade value).

These clubs will make drafting mistakes because draft pools won't always suit their list needs, and it will make them desperate for certain players after a time. Eventually some of these picks will be like toy money to them and we can make them pay through the nose for a good player on our list.

Conversely, if they have surplus quality that wants to walk, shake the tree.

I'm not really concerned about it, there is a huge opportunity to secure some fantastic trades.

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I think our list is young enough to ride out these next few years but how the clubs agreed to these concessions is beyond a joke!

The first round in particular. The clubs dont need the first 5 picks; 2 would've been enough. The concessions overall are just excessive and the entire competition is severely compromised because the AFL are simply trying to fabricate success for economic, marketing and strategic gains. Nothing to do with running a sporting competition.

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C'mon Blueboys!

This is why I was stoked to get Henderson and Pick 12

I just think we need to always keep an eye on the future

The draft is all about making teams go up and get their chance and then going back down so everyone gets a chance to go up and have a shot at a flag

The really smart clubs will always re-fresh their list with youth

I think it is crucial to never trade your first rounder, or if you do you trade back into the first round

If you look at Geelong, you'll see that even though they rarely had any early picks, they nonetheless hardly ever traded away their first round picks. Ottens was an exception.

Hawks are the same. Not only do they have lot of top ten picks but they also have lots of 11-25 picks on their list.

We traded for Judd bec we needed a champion and leader to take this club fwd, and we also kept pick 1

We traded for Warnock but not our first rounder and anyhow Warnock is young so it doesn't matter

Moving fwds in the next few years I'd be looking to keep our first rounder every year, and assuming all of Warnock, Jacobs, Hammer and Kruezer come on, I'd trade either Hammer to GC or Jacobs to a SA club for another first rounder

Existing clubs that can get their hands on the odd earlyish pick in the next few years will be doing well and should stand a better chance than other existing clubs of replenishing their lists so that when the draft concessions are over their lists are still relatively young and strong for the future

Rucks are well sought after so I would be taking another young ruck in the draft in the hope you can trade him in 3-4 years for an earlier pick

And I'd seriously consider taking a tall at 12 this year bec I think it will be hard to get good young talls in the next few years - good talls are hard to come by and mostly come from early in the draft nowadays, and clubs like CFC won't have many early picks in the coming few years so maybe a good idea to get a tall at 12 this year given we already have a good young midfield and 4 young rucks on our list

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Seriously,

GWS get to have 50 players on their list with accsess to an extra $1million in their cap plus picks 1,2,3,5,7,9,11,13,15....................

Crap just give them the premiership!




But it makes things interesting, which is why i see a lot of clubs now looking to overseas rookies in Ireland and quite possibly South Africa.

Another option is to make use of an exsisting rule that the Gold Coast too advantage of this season by drafting a player from another sport or football code................ Their salary isn't included in the Cap apparently.


One move we could make is to throw some cash at Greg Inglis.
Of all the 'NRL' stars, i see him as the most likely to make the transistion comfortably.


But, regardless, i think Carltons youth puts us in a good position going forward compared to other teams.

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Two "conferences" too.............

East and West..............you heard it here first........!

about two years ago actually..........but nobody took any
notice back then.......so i'm here to tell yas again............!


kindest regards tommi

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The scary thing is that we and all clubs are looking how to improve without the early draft picks, but each club could lose 2 uncontracted players taking them backwards not forwards.

At least our list is young and we won't be having retirements in these years, but for the clubs that have to replace many ageing quality players it could be an absolute nightmare.

1) Dylan Buckley !!!!!!!!!!We can take him what, in 2011 under the f/s rule ??? He will be a HUGE inclusion for the side considering the kind of pick we are likely to have (1st rd pick in what, the 30's ???) I am going to be EXTREMELY pissed off if the GWS team snags him under the under-aged 17 yr old rule, esp considering the concessions they already have !!!!!!!!!

2) Excess ruckmen - GOLD !!!!!!!!! Jacobs will fetch a premium in a trade, Hampson even more, esp considering how many sides are screwed regarding ruck stocks ATM (God Sydney threw $1 million and a 2ish pick at a rookie listed Ruckman this year !!!!!!!!!). Unfortunately I can see one of Hampson and Jacobs being traded next year (Probably Jacobs to Port or the GC17 as Hampson has already had his family move to Melbourne, and Warnock/Hampson in the ruck will be a DOMINANT combo in years to come !!!!!!!!). Trading our ruck will be a way to get back into the 1st rd next year.

3) Our young list puts us in a position where we can survive a couple of years with minimal inclusions. We still have plenty of youth who may have shown signs, but have hardly cermented their spots in the best 22 (Yarran, Robinson, Garlett, O'Keefe). Our backline is still extremely young and will only improve as they spend more time together, our midfield is the same. Our main concern is our forward line, but a restructuring of the forward line, and the inclusion of Henderson, Waite (who played bugger all last year) and future inclusions of Yarran, Garlett and possibly Tiller and O'Keefe and #12 = future looking bright

4) We don't actually rely on any older players anymore ........... Fev is gone, Stevens too. Scotland and Houlihan are our only REAL older players we have in the best 22, and neither are replaceable .......


I think it will be in 2012-2015, when the sting of the draft concessions start to hit the current powerhouses, our boys become men and before the GC17/GWS teams come into the league, that we will see #17 (and possibly #18) come our way

Is!!!!!!he!!!!!really!!!!!!going!!!!!to!!!!!be!!!!such!!!!a!!!!!!!huge!!!!!inclusion!!!!!!for!!!!!us!!!!!??????

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How many nuggets have we mined from the rookie draft? We have most positions covered with young developing talent, I'd just continue to maximise selections in the rookie drafts as well as using our early selections in the ND to trade for players to cover in posiitons of weakness.

This exactly why I was so unhappy with the Fevola trade up to and including the Bradshaw and Rishcatelli deal.

And also why I felt much better about things when we got pick 12 and Henderson.

Gold Coast and West Sydney will mean that the development of the lists of the other clubs will be severely compromised.

So starting out with a young list and a couple of first round picks before Gold Coast starts selecting players is to prepare well for this inevitability.

The worst outcome would have been to get a few years more out of Fevola but without the additional low picks needed to make sure of developing a replacement.

No one will be immune from the reality that there will be a dearth of new talent available to the existing clubs over this time - But I would say that Carlton is now better placed than most.

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If I was a betting man I would say that the international rookie is about to become as important as a first round selection

clubs finishing high on the ladder will be searching the world for potential superstars

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billy slater would be the one for me - he is sensational and is the reason i watch melbourne storm when i can. would have to say he is more exciting to watch than anyone in the AFL!!

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I agree we have to trade into the first round. The whole idea of giving the new teams so many early picks was to allow this and to encourage trading as well as fair compensation for their raids on uncontracted players. For exampla, if they manage to snare Gibbs, the AFL would almost certainly say they have to swap him for a pick inside the top three PLUS a second rounder.

Geelong have had an uncanny amount of luck with F/S picks that helped them out so I am not sure they are a good example to use here. Bit like the West Indies team of the seventies. Good timing to have so many superstars come through at the same time. It led them to believe they didn't need to put a structure in place for the future and now they are suffering. Geelong won't make the same mistake, by the way.

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By 2015 Waite, Thornton, Judd, Simpson types will have retired or be close to the end, hence part of the reason for this thread - I think some CFC fans just think about the under 25s we have and forget about the 24-28s we have an the hole they will leave once the draft concessions period is over

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Dylan Buckley will be a handy bonus for CFC assuming he continues to develop

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Just want to clear up the scenario you mentioned about one of the new teams snaring Gibbs.
My understanding is that a panel will decide what round that player would be. Gibbs would be a first round pick. The new team does not have to give up a pick if the player is uncontracted. The club who is losing the player will have 5 years to take their compensation pick, this would be after the uncomprised drafts are over you would imagine. Lets say Carlton says prior to the 2013 season (you have to nominated the year prior to the start of the season) that it will use its pick. Carlton finishes 6th that year has draft pick 13 (with 18 teams), the extra pick would follow this pick, so draft pick 14 is all the compensation we would get. This also means that the teams finishing above us get moved down the order. Of course, all the other clubs who lost players may also use this draft for their extra pick moving all the teams down the order even further.
The AFL cannot instruct a team to get a certain draft pick, only what round. So the further up the ladder you are the less the compensation.
The whole thing is crock of shite.

Boy, can't wait to see the tanking that'll go on with that little system in place.

So if you get a first round pick for losing a very good player, and that pick is to be taken directly after your normal first-rounder... my god, everyone outside the 8 in that position will want to tank like hell.

International Rookies and traditional Rookies are good points.

We have already got Labi, and Nixon talks this week about Irishman Murphy and how 5 clubs are after him. Fancy that - a bidding war potentially, for a player who has never held an AFL footy !

I would have thought that CFC (and other clubs) would be keener than ever to place their well performed rookies onto the senior list, so as to free up the rookie spots so they can take more rookies, ahead of the draft concessions.

Clubs will need to get as many kids onto their lists as possible.

So maybe in contrast to popular opinion that suggests the Blues will keep a Jacobs or Garlett on the rookie list for one more year, maybe what we will see is those boys going onto the senior list so we can grab 7 more rookies, effectively 7 more kids, henc doubling our chances of striking gold.

You'll need that if a top 5 team will only have 1 pick in the top 40 next year !!

Geez, the more u think about it the more Pick 12 this year becomes vital. May be the best pick we get for 4 years !! (unless we trade a Jacobs or Hampson type).

So, again, begs the Qn - do we roll the dice and go a tall, or do we go safety first and go a mid so we don't stuff up this pick?? The choice made will reflect not just how the club views their list, but also the risk profile of the recruiter/coach/CEO and club at lage. Let's face it, talls are riskier investments.

Simpson, Judd, Carrazzo, Scotland, Houlihan - these are mids/flankers who are over 25 now, and by the time the drafte concessions are complete will be in their late 20s, with Heath surely gone by then.

Similarly, Waite and Thornton are well over 25 now.

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I just don't get the hoo-ha over GC17 and GWS concessions. It's only two years, and they'll be sure to trade a couple of picks for high profile players. They won't exactly draft their first captain.

Lock away Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Kreuzer, Waite, Jamison, Bower, Henderson, McLean and roll the dice on the rest (that aren't already signed until 2012).

The only inconvenience to us is that our first pick will be at #25 next year and #26 the year after. Big flower deal.

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