Just responding to posts Warby !!! Theres always two sides ...........

Hawks did alright in 08.......

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Well the Carlton propoganda machine on here are telling me that Fev was holding the club back from a flag but they were only prepared to pedal it out until he got the flick.

Ceertainly but they were the complete pack that year

Buddy 113
Roughy 75
Williams 47

They didn't reply on 1 man although he was brilliant.

Ave score in 08

Hawks 16.14
Opp 11.12

So not only did they score heavily with a 3 pronged attack they kept their opponents to 11gls whicn means they were working very hard both ways. Something the Blues need to improve upon.

Regards Cazzesman

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All I can say is that after 15 years of my time being wasted by this cretin "I TOLD YOU SO". (even though he had been at Carlton for only 11)

About the only topic I feel the need to post about on this site is the Fevola issue, and any search of my posts over the past 5 years will show that I have finally been vindicated in my vitriol against said-former-full-forward.

If anyone who disagrees with me thinks that Carlton is going to go backwards next year because we have finally gotten rid of a petulant, childish and devisive ego-maniac whose sole focus for 11 years has been on himself rather than the club, then I look forward to your apologies next year as well.

Make no mistake, our systems will be different, our game plans will be different and you know what, I hope we DONT HAVE AN 80 goal a year goal kicker.

I hope that Ratten swaps 4 or 5 key blokes through the main 2-3 forward spots regularly. Both within games and between games. DONT HAVE A FOCAL POINT! sounds strange but then again, I guess most of you Fev lovers have your head in the sand about how good he actually was.
Change the game plan up and do something different.

How obvious was the 'kick it to the gollywog headed clown with the big chin up forward' game plan? Boring and so easy to counter. Blind Freddy could have coached against it...and as a result we were sitting down the bottom for YEARS!. Fevola's ego couldn't handle the fact that he was no longer the big man and main man. We all saw what happened when the ball didn't go to him. Dummy spits and disgusting stares of scorn and derision levelled at team-mates. Well I got sick of that from him in 1999, not 2009! This particular leopard has not changed his spots ON the field OR off it.

People remember what he did to O'hAilpin this year when Carlos had the temerity to unknowingly 'invade his space'. What a disgrace. Few people seem to remember how Lance Whitnall's career began to go down hill - try thinking back to a Carlton v St. Kilda game (forgive me if I get the game wrong) in 2002 when Fevola decided to try and take mark of the year (again, all about him) on the wing/half forward and ended up dislocating Lance's shoulder. IT was the beginning of the end for big red. And what was Fevola doing there? Trying to make a name for himself for being bigger than the game.

Fast forward to a game a few years later where he basically did the same thing to Brad Fisher. Why did Fish miss so many games with shoulder injuries. Because Brendan Fevola thought he was a flower superstar and couldn't/wouldn't adhere to team rules.

flower sickens me and as I stated, getting rid of him is the best thing the club has done in 145 years. I applaud Sticks, Swan et al and with a very loud - '*about @#$%&! time" to go along with it. Good riddance now piss off Fevola. In the name of the father, son and holy ghost (jimmy jess) AMEN

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Now you have surpassed my "worst quote of the year" award with this dribble.
Just how did Carlton fail Mr. Fevola?

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Agreed with a lot of that but the end bit when you blame him for launching at the ball is not right. Pagan brought that into his game. He wanted him to really launch at it without fear. He did bring a few teammates down but i dont blame him for that. I agree that it was virtually impossible to get a functioning forward line with him in it. No real fault of his. Just the type of player he is and the type of team we have. Will be interesting to watch him and brown in the same forward line.

He stuffed up over the years and in the end he had to go. We will be a better team/club for it in the long run.

I wish him all the best.

I hope you're able to back that up with direct evidence 29.

In any event, his 'launching at the ball' was done without any awareness of what or who was around him - and especially in the Whitnall case, he was so far out of position it was ridiculous. Again, all about him rather than about 'team'.

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People unnecessarily complicate football. The top forwards a) know when to lead, b) know where to lead, c) have strong hands under pressure and d) an ability to kick a goal. It only takes a weakness in one of those areas for a forward to become an ordinary forward. Point b) creates the illusion that a forward who consistently knows where to run, due to their superior skill of point a), that they are always being kicked to.

Watch a few Carlton games with your eyes wide open and you will be able to see that reality is quite different.

A few years ago, fans were crying about us always kicking the ball to Betts, despite him being so short. I wonder why? It's because Betts is sensational at a) and b) and certainly has strong hands, but is easily spoiled if the kick is slightly awry. Since then, Betts has changed his game, as was necessary, away from being a too short key forward.

Late in the season, Kreuzer was carrying out points a) and b) beautifully but was struggling with c). A few marks were going to ground, or the delivery didn't quite reach him.

The problem we have suffered has been kicking to Fevola when he was well covered, and most of those times he was not in the best position to receive the ball.

The O'hAilpin crunching was a bit of inexperience by Setanta. He needed to be out of the hole rather filling space inside it. It would've been alright if he was a defender trying to spoil Fevola's run at the ball (which he did, twice).

You and me both Chyna


good ridance

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Setanta knocker number 1 here - But it was his ball verbs - Fev should have no way known cannoned into him
- Cant ever recall Dunstall taking out his team mates

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It was O'hAilpin's ball? Not the way I remember it.

I am not going to provide direct evidence but pagan did say it. He said fev was a fine player but to take the next step he had to learn to really launch himself at the ball. From then on i kept an eye on fev and he seemed to really take that on. I think pagan used LLoyd as an example. Anyway i am not going to hunt down the comment. Believe it or dont. I am not trying to pick a fight just pointing out something i read or heard.

100 % it was his ball and Fev should have protected the contest not barge straight into it

Even recall the commentators at the time bagging Fev over it .

I am fully aware of Setanta's lack of awareness but in this instance Fev was fully in the wrong

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Nope. O'hAilpin was heading with the flight of the ball, Fevola at the oncoming ball.

thus Fev could see what was in front on him and Setanta couldn't - The big Irish had it covered Fev should have propped and protected his player because he had full vision of what was in front of him - He didn't he went for the speccy and I even think the ball turned over he knocked it clean out of Ohalpins hands

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neither took their eye off the ball. Setanta could have held his man out fev could have took an easy mark. Fev could have held his man off and setanta probably would have taken the mark. Comes down to team rules. Ratts stated that Setanta "probably" should not have been there so i take that as fev was just doing his job.

I was more angry at fev that night when he showed young Pears the ball after a 1 hander then missed. Then pears ran off him twice but that is another story.

Alzheimers Verbs.

Setanta was backing back with the flight of the ball, had Nathan Lovett-Murray stone cold for about the 6th time for the night. All Fev had to do was block the run of his defender and O'hailpin would have either taken the mark or been interfered with because Lovett-Murray had lost contact with Setanta and wasn't even looking at the ball.

That was the start of a very bad nightmare. Setanta was killing, no slaughtering, Lovett-Murray at the time. Went down hill fast after that.

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As you know, when playing footy, if you're going to get in the full-forwards hole, you better bloody well take the mark or you won't just have the full-forward going off at you.