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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:44 pm 
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With Fev now gone, and Stevo unlikely to resume, Scotland I believe is our oldest player at 29 in 2010, then it goes Houlihan and Waite both around 27 in 2010.

We have 9 players taken in the Top 10 of the Draft.

And we have just added Hendeson, a very highly rated young KPP

+ we still have Pick 12 to add another good young prospect to the list

Hawks might be the only list that might rival ours in terms of young talent.

I assume we will know more at the end of 2010. Will Henderson, Kruezer, Hampson, Warnock, Yarran all start to emerge and step up?

If we can get most of those kids to step up, we could be sitting pretty for the future folks :arrow:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:49 pm 
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Its as good as anyones... it doesnt have to be the best.. it is thereabouts..

from here its what you do with what you have...that will make the difference!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:52 pm 
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Surely 9 top ten picks (half a side) is enough of a base to launch a major assault at a flag...no more excuses.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:54 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Surely 9 top ten picks (half a side) is enough of a base to launch a major assault at a flag...no more excuses.



maybe theyre right... maybe these 9 must all be between 24 and 27 at the same time exactly for us to have a chance...otherwise dont hold your collective breaths..

we need a sausage machine maker.........

im a believer in believing that you can!!!!.... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:07 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Its as good as anyones... it doesnt have to be the best.. it is thereabouts..

from here its what you do with what you have...that will make the difference!


exactly, fwiw i think we have the 3rd best in that category behind hawthorn and melbourne if you factor in the picks they'll get this year (only because i think they have a better spread of players over various positions) but i don't think the gap is big enough to make one coach's job any harder/easier than what the other 2 have it.

looking forward to many a finals series with names such as gibbs, kreuzer, murphy, yarran, henderson running amok up against players of the calibre of franklin, roughead, ellis, rioli and scully, watts, trengrove? and morton. exciting times ahead!! :P

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:36 pm 
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Just had a quick look

We've stockpiled 12 (including trades for Henderson, Judd and Mclean) top 20 picks since the 2003 drafts. Had a look at Hawthorns & there are at about the same but we will def. go ahead with this years pick 12.

Other names in ours include, Hampson, Grigg, Bower, Kreuzer, Russell, Gibbs, Murph, Yarran & Walker. All of these names would be in our best 22 come rd 1 2010 and average games between them is just over 50. When you look at it like this our recruiting of picks ranging 1-20 has been pretty much spot on.

Contrary to the thoughts that we may fall away next season due to the Fev trade I'd say if we get continued improvement fromt he names above then there's no reason we can't at least match 2009.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:38 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Its as good as anyones... it doesnt have to be the best.. it is thereabouts..

from here its what you do with what you have...that will make the difference!


Correct.

Super exciting list of young talent that should now be groomed to peak as a team in 2 or 3 years time.

I expect a final 8 position next year probably finishing 7th or 8th.

Go blues!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:55 pm 
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Russell's development has been a bit of a revelation. Let's hope he can go on with it.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:26 pm 
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budzy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Its as good as anyones... it doesnt have to be the best.. it is thereabouts..

from here its what you do with what you have...that will make the difference!


Correct.

Super exciting list of young talent that should now be groomed to peak as a team in 2 or 3 years time.

I expect a final 8 position next year probably finishing 7th or 8th.

Go blues!!!


I am hoping for at least one finals win.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:35 pm 
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To answer the original question...NO

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:54 pm 
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9 top 10 draft picks mean nothing to me...unless the recruiting is done right...its a very misleading fact in our case...

besides our number 1's...

its taken Russell 5 years...Walker has been injured half the time...Yarran is only just started...

our number 1 picks have all been amazing...that basically gets picked for you...

everyone else...meh...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:59 pm 
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define 'young'. Age 21 and under? Games 50 and under?

Its definetely up there probably alongside Hawthorn and Melbourne (more potential than what they have done thus far at AFL level and including the picks they'll get this year).
Although i think that Essendon* (Hurley, Pears, Ryder?) and even Adelaide (Tippet, Walker, possibly include Knights as young?) and WCE (Natanui, Masten, Kennedy etc) have an arguement for best young talent.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:57 am 
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It's not just about no.1 picks and it's not just restricted to under 21s.

I'm talking about not having hardly any old players at the club now.

Judd we have to hope will play well into his early 30s. He is a hard ball clearance expert so with a bit of luck with injuries he could still be in there winning the hard ball when he is 32, so that means 7 more years from the great man if we are lucky

Guys like McLeod and Goodwin and Edwards etc did it

It's as much about Griggs and the Hampsons and the Hendersons and the Warnocks and the Armfields and the Jamisons and the Bowers and the Austins and the Garletts and Russells etc etc etc coming on, as it is the no.1 picks.

When you tally it up we have about 25 good prospects under 26 years of age now and most have vast improvement ahead of them

I'm not sure Melb have that sort of depth yet - do they have 4 good young ruck prospects? I don't think they have hardly any. And what about their KPPs? They have Watts and that is it. Their first two picks this year will be on mids.

I reckon the key for us will be the talls need to make the grade. Buddy and Roughie have been so good for the Hawks. we need the Warnocks and Hampsons and Hendersons to step up in the next couple years

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:51 am 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
we need the Warnocks and Hampsons and Hendersons to step up in the next couple years
VB is Gary Ayres :eek:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:18 pm 
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it's about feeling reasonably confident that you have the right mix. I prefer to look at whether we have enough raw talent at our disposal rather than worry that all the positions on the field have been given a rough 'tick'. You have to factor-in depth and whether our 'top end' talent is good enough. I think we're almost there.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:13 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
it's about feeling reasonably confident that you have the right mix. I prefer to look at whether we have enough raw talent at our disposal rather than worry that all the positions on the field have been given a rough 'tick'. You have to factor-in depth and whether our 'top end' talent is good enough. I think we're almost there.


Yes I agree

Small defenders - AJ, Army, Browne
Small Fwds - Betts, Garlett, Yazz
In and Unders - McLean, Hadley
Architect - Gibbs
Ball Carriers - Judd, Murphy
Dashing Wingers - Simmo, 1AW
Ball Magnets - Carrots, Scotland
Dashing HBF - JR
Tall Defenders - T-Bird, Jamo, Bower, Austin
Tall Fwds - Kruz, Hendo, Santy
Rucks - Warnock, Hammer, Jacobs, Kruz

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:09 am 
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Virgin Blue wrote:
Small defenders - AJ, Army, Browne
Small Fwds - Betts, Garlett, Yazz
In and Unders - McLean, Hadley
Architect - Gibbs
Ball Carriers - Judd, Murphy
Dashing Wingers - Simmo, 1AW
Ball Magnets - Carrots, Scotland
Dashing HBF - JR
Tall Defenders - T-Bird, Jamo, Bower, Austin
Tall Fwds - Kruz, Hendo, Santy
Rucks - Warnock, Hammer, Jacobs, Kruz


Going by that list we still need some run and elite skill coming out of defence. Russell certainly looks like he might be one. But we could really do with another 2. And I wouldn't include types like Scotland or Stevens, who are neither tall enough or athletic enough or defensive enough to provide much help cutting off attacks (before we have the chance to rebound).

Waite is the only real elite rebounder we have at the moment (although Russell looks to be on the way). Even though he's not always a great decision maker, I thought we really missed him when he went down with injury.

Although Jamison doesn't provide a lot of run, he's a pretty good kick, and we also missed him.

I guess Bower is the other one. I love the way he runs aggressively out of defence. Unfortunately he's not yet a very good user of the ball.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:28 am 
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I think the Demons have a decent amount of young talent and so to the Eagles.

I think the bombers have the best potential KP in the game.

We have a great midfield bunch and a strong core group to build a team around, but its about getting everything around that right in development of the second tier players, good coaching, great development and a team effort.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:35 am 
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Let's get 10 Ace.

Then we'll be un-stoppable :smoking: .

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:12 am 
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Yeah I agree a skillful running HB is probably one thing we need, to join JR

Maybe 1AW fills that role

I actually have a sneaky suspicion Yazz might end up there. Might be another Wirrpunda silky running defender

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