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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:03 pm 
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I guess the premise of putting Sticks out there makes sense, given his role was most likely to placate the masses who might be pissed that Fevola got traded.

But it still doesn't get around the fact that if you're afraid to put the President/Chairman of your football club in front of the media, then that says you really should get yourself a new President.

The word 'transitional' and 'interim' get used from time to time around the club when referring to the status quo. Let's hope they're genuinely serious about this.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:08 pm 
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Okay, we all get that it was probably a mistake and we all get that it was a bit of disaster. But let’s not forget that, overall, the administration of the club is, generally speaking, in very good shape.


I don't subscribe to the theory of near enough is good enough.

If you do some thing, do it right!


That is a fair enough adage.

But, mistakes happen, so the trick is to make sure...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:12 pm 
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Why didnt he just say:

" this is a very delicate matter for all concerned, the AFL has gotten involved and there is a possibility that legal issues may arise. For all of these reasons I have been advised not to make any more comments on the sexual misconduct allegations."

When Tony Jones then leaps onto the issue like a fly on a turd, sticks just says:

"Tony, I've told you, I wont be making any more comments on the matter"

If he presses then Sticks should have deflected with something like:

"this is a very serious situation allegedly arising from bad behaviour, we've taken major steps to send a meesage to our playing group that we will only accept the best of behaviour from now on"

When Tony Jones then intervenes with something like:

"so are you saying your players have shown bad behaviour?"

Sticks says:

"we've sent a message to our players that only the best will be tolerated...blah...blah...deflect...blah"

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:22 pm 
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I have been advised not to make any more comments on the sexual misconduct allegations."


Are there any allegations though Mr Effort? In the absence of a formal accusation the Club can do little more than it has, ie say it's aware of the alleged incident. If no-one's complaining there's not a lot that can be done.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:25 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Rexy wrote:
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Okay, we all get that it was probably a mistake and we all get that it was a bit of disaster. But let’s not forget that, overall, the administration of the club is, generally speaking, in very good shape.


I don't subscribe to the theory of near enough is good enough.

If you do some thing, do it right!


That is a fair enough adage.

But, mistakes happen, so the trick is to make sure...

[Danny Frawley]
...we learn from that.
[/Danny Frawley]



I have an idea. You will probably scoff at the suggestion. Perhaps justifiably.

Danny Frawley as media manager?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:28 pm 
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verbs wrote:
2ndeffort wrote:
I have been advised not to make any more comments on the sexual misconduct allegations."


Are there any allegations though Mr Effort? In the absence of a formal accusation the Club can do little more than it has, ie say it's aware of the alleged incident. If no-one's complaining there's not a lot that can be done.


Somebody, somewhere, even if only that peanut with a pseudo news blog somewhere on the net, has made an allegation. Unsubstantiated, sure, but an allegation nonetheless. I used to have a link to the article but in all of the craziness last week i think i lost it. Because a quasi news site has posted up a story, the mainstream media have gone with it and the AFL has been forced to comment on the 'allegation'. I'm not sure the club has been directly linked, but end of the day the media will try and make that connection and the club will have to respons or deflect.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:39 pm 
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2ndeffort wrote:
verbs wrote:
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I have been advised not to make any more comments on the sexual misconduct allegations."


Are there any allegations though Mr Effort? In the absence of a formal accusation the Club can do little more than it has, ie say it's aware of the alleged incident. If no-one's complaining there's not a lot that can be done.


Somebody, somewhere, even if only that peanut with a pseudo news blog somewhere on the net, has made an allegation. Unsubstantiated, sure, but an allegation nonetheless. I used to have a link to the article but in all of the craziness last week i think i lost it. Because a quasi news site has posted up a story, the mainstream media have gone with it and the AFL has been forced to comment on the 'allegation'. I'm not sure the club has been directly linked, but end of the day the media will try and make that connection and the club will have to respons or deflect.

Neil Mitchell reported the allegation on 3AW earlier that day, so the allegation was definitely in the public domain (even if the alleged victim had not made any formal complaint). However, it was clearly not appropriate for Sticks to comment on it and so he didn't (he just didn't do it very smoothly).

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:51 pm 
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Media conjecture does not equal actual allegations. Tony Jones can pester all he likes, but without the backing of any formal allegation against an individual, his pursuits are futile and the Carlton Football Club has no obligation to pander to his indulgence.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:01 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
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When Tony Jones kept pushing and pushing; I kept wishing for an articulate and eloquent reply of "Fevola was working for

your TV Network Tony.......why didn't you pull the plug and remove his microphone before it got out of hand?"

Tony: "Does the Carlton Football Club deny any responsibility for Brendan's actions?"

That's exactly the conversation Jones was looking to have. Why give it to him?

Sticks may have looked ridiculous, but trying to shift blame on to the media in that way would have been a disaster.
Working in a minefield like that wouldn't you prepare a statement and keep repeating sentences from the statement to any question by Jones?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:44 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Media conjecture does not equal actual allegations. Tony Jones can pester all he likes, but without the backing of any formal allegation against an individual, his pursuits are futile and the Carlton Football Club has no obligation to pander to his indulgence.


Absolutely. But I think the suggestion here is that Sticks/CFC could have handled it (ie. Jones' pestering) a bit better.

It's been discussed in this thread (and the other one) that Tony Jones' agenda-pushing on Friday was nothing short of disgraceful.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:51 am 
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..well, considering the actual AFL won't do shizen unless the reporter actually goes to them and personally makes an official complaint.. ..and it's their competition, and as a club we were in the process of booting fevastinko out, and had not recieved any complaint.. ..i think we've done what we could on the matter..

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:00 pm 
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Sticks should never have fronted that presser. It's got nothing to do with needing a President cause it's such an important day bla bla bla

It's horses for courses. It's about whoever is going to help us come out in the best light. Swan was the man for that job. We gain much more by Swan handling it well, than we lose by not having the Pres front the presser.

T'was a mistake - the presser was cringe worthy. We can't blame Tony Jones...the media is full of scum like Tony Jones - and the club should have anticipated that.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:48 am 
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I agree with Verbs on this one.
The woman in question didn't approach police or the club or the AFL. She informed her employer, which being the scumbag organisation it is, couldn't even keep it confidential. For Carlton to approach her or the Herald-Sun for details would have been a gross invasion of her privacy. There was no need for Carlton to do anything other than wait for a complaint to arise. Once we made the decision to trade him, there was no need to do anything even if the complaint came.

He was there as a guest of the AFL being paid by Channel 9. The AFL and its sponsors paid for the grog. The Crown is responsible to ensure its staff don't serve alcohol to an intoxicated individual. The AFL presumably invited the journalist, so they and the Crown are responsible for her safety.

Tony Jones should be questioning Demetriou, the boss of the Crown and the head of Ch 9.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:51 am 
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isdonis.george wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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When Tony Jones kept pushing and pushing; I kept wishing for an articulate and eloquent reply of "Fevola was working for

your TV Network Tony.......why didn't you pull the plug and remove his microphone before it got out of hand?"

Tony: "Does the Carlton Football Club deny any responsibility for Brendan's actions?"

That's exactly the conversation Jones was looking to have. Why give it to him?

Sticks may have looked ridiculous, but trying to shift blame on to the media in that way would have been a disaster.
Working in a minefield like that wouldn't you prepare a statement and keep repeating sentences from the statement to any question by Jones?

That's the job of the communications department... who probably organised the presser...

Mr Coutts, are you there?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:06 pm 
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There's no deflecting away from the poor media performance given by Sticks.

A modern day President needs to be confident and strong when representing his/her club in front of the media. Simple as that.

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