Was that press conference the end for Sticks??

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:37 am

Cyclonus wrote:

Granted Sticks wasn't terribly eloquent, but it wouldn't have mattered what he said anyway. Tony Jones already made his mind up, and was there to push his agenda and nothing more.

He just continually repeated the same question over and over because Sticks wasn't saying what he wanted to hear. If we're going to bag someone for lacking professionalism and decorum, then we should be pointing the finger at Tony. He already had his story written in his head before the presser began, and when he couldn't get the quotes he wanted he started badgering Sticks. The end result was two frustrated people failing to communicate.

No, it wasn't a terribly productive or positive presser - but Sticks isn't entirely to blame.

I can't comment on the rest of his presidency as I'm not terribly well informed on that side of things, but I wouldn't be having him drawn and quartered over this particular effort.

Sticks was out flanked very easily....

As usual.

Sticks thinks the football world will give him as much reverence as the people around this club do....

He is wrong...

People outside of the club dont give him any faavours... so he gets caught up alot..

The world is harsh!.. it does not take to fools very well just cos theyre Carlton Captains of the Century...

DownUnderChick · **Posted:** Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:42 am

samboymolloy wrote:

What was disgraceful was Tony Jones finishing his report with "the lions the winner out of all of this and Carlton are the losers, they've lost respect" in reference to Sticks saying they knew of the alleged incident but didn't do anything about it.

I thought trading him was doing something.

Arresting him isn't allowed.

Did Tony Jones make a suggestion as to what Sticks should have done?

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:48 am

Look Sticks got all defensive and he choked...

Hopefully it was a ploy by Swann "Sticks you take this one...."... to expose his stupidity. :thumbsup:

Just to show him he isnt cut out as prez....

But Sticks could have said there was an internal investigation and that without the girl pressing charges it was al unclear
The club had dealt with the situation on the surface and is available to assist on any ongoing investigations .

Either way He could have hired a public relations company to to strategise for him ...

But he went in with the same professionalism as he goes in to anything..

chubbyruss · **Joined:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:59 am **Posts:** 8631

Tony Jones is a McGuire-[edit] filth supporting weasal :mad:

Take no notice of this cauliflower

jimmae · **Posted:** Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:58 am

Synbad wrote:

But Sticks could have said there was an internal investigation

He did.

Quote:

and that without the girl pressing charges it was al unclear

At the time of the press conference, it was unclear whether they could even speak on the nature of the matter, let alone describe the situation as unclear.

Quote:

The club had dealt with the situation on the surface and is available to assist on any ongoing investigations

Fiona Hudson & Sam Edmund wrote:

When asked if Carlton had felt compelled to investigate, Kernahan said: "I think it's already been looked at by other parties.

"It's an alleged thing and the AFL are looking at it. I don't want to go into it ... I don't want to be involved in that at the moment.

"As I understand no charges have been laid. Have people looked into it? Yes they have and we've known about an alleged action and I don't know what else to say about it. It's ongoing, if it is going at all."

Quote:

Either way He could have hired a public relations company to to strategise for him ...

Or the communications department could have scheduled a press conference later, when the situation had settled a little bit more.

Quote:

But he went in with the same professionalism as he goes in to anything..

The only thing he could have done was be more firm with Tony Jones in that it was not a matter in which they were available for comment, which is not in his nature. Professionalism is another debate entirely.

In all probabilities, the only difference between what you wanted from him and what he delivered, was a slightly more authoritarian performance. Hell, you would have been happy with brow-beating. That's not even professional.

It's a sad state in the world today if, when genuine and in good taste, how you say something or how quickly you respond can completely misconstrue what you're originally putting across.

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Aside from the fact Swann may have been busy doing other things (after all, it was the last day of trade week!), I can understand why the club used Sticks and Rats for that media conference. After all, there's still a lot of Carlton supporters unhappy about the Fev trade, and the club obviously thought it might soften the blow for the rank-and-file if two of our most recognised and respected figures (who also happen to be our Prez and our Coach) delivered the news.

As it turned out, it wasn't a great media performance by Sticks - but far from the worst I've seen. No real damage done. It shouldn't detract from the landmark actions taken by the Board, Swann, Icke and Rats this week....and nor has it - of last night's news services, only Channel 9 ran with the mystifying "Carlton has lost respect" angle (which just doesn't make sense, by the way) and neither has the Hun or the Age today. In fact, today's papers tended to be supportive of the club's actions.

Tony Jones wanted the story to have an anti-Carlton twist, either because 1) he wanted to deflect from the fact Fev was working for Channel 9 at the time of the alleged incident, so he went on the attack; 2) he wanted to make sure the lead story from yesterday wasn't "Collingwood fail to seal trade deal....again", so he went on the attack; or 3) he simply hates Carlton, so he went on the attack.

In any event, he's a very experienced and aggressive reporter and he landed a few meaningless cheap shots on Sticks. But the angle Jones wanted the story to take gathered no traction, and the club won't forget what Jones did (or tried to do). Jones achieved nothing.

Nothing to see here. Let's move on.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:09 pm

Question for Tony Jones. Did Collingwood conduct a criminal investigation when it was found one of their players was hooning around with a convicted murderer, or did they leave it to police?

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Donstuie wrote:

Question for Tony Jones. Did Collingwood conduct a criminal investigation when it was found one of their players was hooning around with a convicted murderer, or did they leave it to police?

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

fancy getting pwned by Tony Jones! :lol:

CarltonClem · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:50 am

I think that Sticks went out there to try to appease some of the Carlton "supporters" who were angered by the decision to trade Fev but it may have backfired. I think he was trying to use his iconic status (whether he should have it is another question and I won't broach that topic) to placate them.

Sensitive situation, needed to be handled with more care.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18033

Pretty funny stuff. Channel 9 taking the moral high ground in this sorry Brownlow saga. :donk:

Did they conduct an investigation that someone who was working for them on the night was accused of sexual misadventures?

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Blue Vain wrote:

Pretty funny stuff. Channel 9 taking the moral high ground in this sorry Brownlow saga. :donk:

Did they conduct an investigation that someone who was working for them on the night was accused of sexual misadventures?

Exactly.

isdonis.george · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:09 pm

IMO Channel Eddy set things up to take the heat off themselves as Fevola's employer on the night and pass the buck and they did their homework well. They have until the next round of TV rights to live down their part in the sorry saga. Try asking yourself how would you have answered their questions on the spur of the moment? Sticks was on a hiding to nothing.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:24 pm

isdonis.george wrote:

IMO Channel Eddy set things up to take the heat off themselves as Fevola's employer on the night and pass the buck and they did their homework well. They have until the next round of TV rights to live down their part in the sorry saga. Try asking yourself how would you have answered their questions on the spur of the moment? Sticks was on a hiding to nothing.

Of course thats if you turned up to the exams and hadnt done your homework...

Which says alot about whats going on...

club29 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:22 pm

isdonis.george wrote:

IMO Channel Eddy set things up to take the heat off themselves as Fevola's employer on the night and pass the buck and they did their homework well. They have until the next round of TV rights to live down their part in the sorry saga. Try asking yourself how would you have answered their questions on the spur of the moment? Sticks was on a hiding to nothing.

I agree. Eddie was first on the scene to nurse fev through this. Making sure all the people got their apologies. Making sure his mate fev knew he was a mate. It all stinks of eddie being on a mission for channel 9.

Cant hide the facts though. A channel 9 roving reporter really stuffed up on Brownlow night. Channel 9 have done well so far but it is only a matter of time before a reporter on the side of good is going to raise the question "why was a channel 9 reporter pissed off head at the Brownlow harrassing women and men alike?"

Channel 9 have a lot to answer for and Jones can try and deflect it all he likes but they wont get away that easy.
Channel 9 dragged AFL's name through the mud.

Crusader · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:20 pm

Warby wrote:

When Tony Jones kept pushing and pushing; I kept wishing for an articulate and eloquent reply of "Fevola was working for

your TV Network Tony.......why didn't you pull the plug and remove his microphone before it got out of hand?"

Tony: "Does the Carlton Football Club deny any responsibility for Brendan's actions?"

That's exactly the conversation Jones was looking to have. Why give it to him?

Sticks may have looked ridiculous, but trying to shift blame on to the media in that way would have been a disaster.

Salsiccia · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:04 pm

Isn't it a matter for the police. the club would then action their views as the club should. Given Fev is gone it is up to the police, the woman and the brisbane football club (bogans that they are)

Love your work blue baggers :grin:

camel · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:12 pm

I agree that Sticks was poor at the presser. However, if he is just a front as people say, then it was probably Swann’s decision to get Kernahan to front up. And precisely for the reason that Mickstar suggested – that it was important for Sticks to be there given the gravity of the announcement.

Okay, we all get that it was probably a mistake and we all get that it was a bit of disaster. But let’s not forget that, overall, the administration of the club is, generally speaking, in very good shape.

budzy · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:17 am **Posts:** 8128

camelboy wrote:

I agree that Sticks was poor at the presser. However, if he is just a front as people say, then it was probably Swann’s decision to get Kernahan to front up. And precisely for the reason that Mickstar suggested – that it was important for Sticks to be there given the gravity of the announcement.

Okay, we all get that it was probably a mistake and we all get that it was a bit of disaster. But let’s not forget that, overall, the administration of the club is, generally speaking, in very good shape.

a cunning stunt.. :smoking:

Rexy · **Joined:** Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:46 am **Posts:** 28227

camelboy wrote:

...

Okay, we all get that it was probably a mistake and we all get that it was a bit of disaster. But let’s not forget that, overall, the administration of the club is, generally speaking, in very good shape.

I don't subscribe to the theory of near enough is good enough.

If you do some thing, do it right!

Was that press conference the end for Sticks??

Who is online