the business/corporate world is littered with lazy incompetents..

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There's so much I could say...

If the AFL don't rule that Stevo's contract payout can be outside the salary cap, then in my view
it will be the final nail in the AFL's crucifixion of Carlton.

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The "Michael Voss" clause?

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And so while others miserably pledge themselves to the pursuit of ambition and brief power, I will be stretched out in the shade, singing.

The AFL create policy on demand.

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..what i don't understand, is Steven's re-injured his neck during 2009.. ..IF he retired right away, it's still 2009.. ..so why can't we pay him out and put it in the 2009 injury alottment..?..

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Medically enforced retirements are common in some other sports.

I wonder if we can use this to argue that a precedent has been set?

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if stevo still wants to be paid and refuses to just retire and terminate his contract, then why whould we have the obligation to not play him? if he is happy to take that risk and by accepting the money he clearly is, why dont we just play him and risk him life long pain and suffering?

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I personally don't think that Nick Stevens should be forced to risk his life to get paid what he is owed in his contract.

I think that there should be an AFL mechanism in place to deal with this kind of situation. It's common sense.

That said, it may breach the club's duty of care to Stevens if we played him knowing the seriousness of his injury.

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We did learn a valuable lesson from the Adrian Whitehead experience. What was it? Short term gain, long term pain. Not worth the risk on club or player.

AFL should not dilly delly on the Stevens situation. If he's goin, he's gone.
He injured himself playing the game that pays the AFL its billion bucks a year.
He can no longer play.

Both player and club should be cut some slack. Easy and quick decision can be made. It's a no brainer. The AFL is just being negligent on this serious matter. Pitiful really.

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true blue....you cant be serious?

i wasnt suggesting we do it. i was just asking what is stopping us from doing that if nick still wants his money, is there someting stopping us from playing him? if there is sometihng stopping us from playing him, then surely we shouldn't be required to pay him as part of our salary cap

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Sorry to hear the bad news for Poor Stevens. If he was to keep playing - could end up a quadriplegic. Wont effect his job though.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/w ... 5785356418

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I for one was a big critic of Nic this year, but with what has happenned I wish him the absolute best ... he was a shining light during our dark years and will be fondly remembered. Hopefully the AFL will see reason and give him what he is owed without hurting the mighty blues because even if I supported the filth or scum I would hope for that outcome as well .......

Yeah but I am a Carlton supporter with the brain to match so it makes sense, they are a bunch of tools (mainly spanners) so I doubt it!

ood luck Stevo ... have plenty of male heirs!

Good luck Mate

You've copped some mighty shit from this place over the years but I wish you all the best

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Reading the hun article it doesnt definitely say he has retired.
Could Stevo play in 2011.

Lets hope not

Stevo was a highlyskilled footballer
A very smart footballer

But didnt reach his max because he didnt work hard enough on the track and hard enough on his deficinies such as overhead marking and defensive pressure.
Regardless of his neck injuryHe would have struggled to get a game in 2010.


That is a fair assessment in my view.

Your initial post trueblue3 could certainly be construed as implying that we should continue to play him and hold Stevens to his contract.

The law is complex, not everything is about contract. There is a thing called tort law you know...

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Just like when Chris Grant got injured (neck as well) the AFL's insurers refused to insure CG IIRC so it also goes beyond the club.

Thanks for your service ...time now to move on..............

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The first option can mean not to retire.

bad neck or not Stevo's time had come to an end. His poor attitude to his fitness and is lack of willingness to work on the bad parts of his game and his lack of versatility meant his time was up anyway.
And again it highlights how often carlton get it wrong when it comes to the length of contract and how much we pay players.


Bad luck about the neck. I hope it doesnt effect his life too much , but I am not sad to see him go.