Brendan Fevola's future deferred to end of the week

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:43 pm

Nice of Channel 10 to pop around to Fev's place for a visit today. :roll:

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Taff · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:45 pm

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Better than any of you ever will.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:46 pm

Donstuie wrote:

It seems pretty clear to me that the club's going to sit on this for a bit, while throwing in the odd token gesture (Fev not going to the B&F, I don't for a second believe that was his call alone), wait for the hysteria to die off and then keep him on board. Followed by Fev being remorseful, admitting he has a problem and wanting help, the club making a tough stance, and you know the rest.

The club is actively looking for a trade that suits the club....

if thats not possible... fev will get another chance on the clubs terms...

the respect of fev is zilch...

board members voted unanimously they dont want him... we might be stuck with him but they dont want him....

some of those board members do alot of work behind the scenes for fev.. and some have done just as much on the field as fev..luked...

the world has changed...

youre either on the tram into the future or youre kicking around in your adidaas romes...

Indie · **Joined:** Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:28 am **Posts:** 1073

luked15 wrote:

With some of stuff being written on here I'm doubting as to if it is actually a supporter's site...

I'm not one for calling for players' or coaches' heads. I'm more the starry-eyed supporter. But that's me. I don't believe others should have to do what I do though, and list management and discipline issues are ones on which supporters will differ. I don't see that there's much to be gained by asserting that you have the moral high ground. Forget about trying to put a spin on "supporter" as we are supporters of the club rather than individuals within it. And most of us aren't simply supporters - we're members and I reckon paying your hard earned earns you the right to have opinions.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:48 pm

Synbad wrote:

youre either on the tram into the future or youre kicking around in your adidaas romes...

They were for rich kids only. They were $40 a pair! :eek:

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:51 pm

marciblue... fev can still play footy and drink....

he can go play in the suburban leagues..

This is big business now... its a billion dollar industry...
its too serious for a flower to piss up the clubs fortunes against the wall.

its not just about one guy anymore.... we tried that... it doesnt work....

so we got another and another and another and another... and slowly slowly those thrashings we were getting with just fev turned into some wins and less thrashings with everybody else....

but fev thinks its all about himself...

he will miss us more than we will miss him....

he can either jump on board with what were trying to achieve as a club.... (aand were still way behind what others are doing)... or he can be his own man....

but if he wants to be his own man... he should take up individual sport like golf....

,... and let the others concentrate on turning the club around.... after all fev didnt turn the club around did he???

luked15 · **Joined:** Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:56 pm **Posts:** 7

Synbad wrote:

luked15 wrote:

I can only assume that you guys calling for blood to be spilled have never got any joy from watching Fev play for the blues over the years. No joy from watching him win games off his own boot, kicking 6 goals in a half of football to get us over the line, taking on Essendon* and collingwood by himself basically. During the darkest period of the club, he won us a Wizard cup, 8 goals and bog in the final, was BOG for the Big V last year (hope none of you enjoyed watching him towel rutten)...again hope none of you took any pride in watching this.

You would be a pack of hypocrites if you did.

I can also assume that none of you will be paying any attention to tonights John Nicholls medal. Was it John Nicholls who had to be let out of jail on weekends so he could play football? Is Fev in jail? hmmm...

I can also hope that none of you supported the blues in the days of the Dominator, when he was carving it up...hang on, the same dominator that enjoyed himself a little too much off the field? and in recent times with mr carey?

Even Diesel, has had some ordinary business dealings since leaving football...off the field stuff again...

You are calling for Sticks to sack him, the same sticks that launched into an attack, rightly or wrongly, on journalists the other year at our function, which was ridiculed across the media afterwards...did you call for his head? did he embarrass you???

You call yourselves supporters of the Carlton Football Club...see the middle word there? Football. Thats right. These blokes are paid to play a game. To chase a leather ball around a field. But they should all be model citizens right? Why? Because of the pedestal that you clowns put them on!

I for one hope that I get to continue to see Fev kick some amazing goals for us over the next few years. I am a supporter of Carlton, has Fev's actions embarrassed me? not a chance. Everyone has a life outside their job, rightly or wrongly, they make their own decisions.

If you cant take that a guy makes some mistakes maybe you should cease to follow sport..because have a look, there wouldnt be too many that you of all such high morals and living the life of a model citizen (obviously you are because you would never make mistakes then call for fev to be sacked for his) could follow...cricket would be out, soccer out, rugby out...

Get a life and give the guy a break. He loves playing for Carlton and he does it so damn well. Better than any of you ever will.

Nice speech ... but its a naive speech

Give the guy a break???

How many?

And he wouldnt be playing for Carlton if we didnt buy our memberships or care about the club...

So ... if you believe the imporant thing about the club is the players alone......youre as thick as a brick....

Fev wont be playing at some stage ... does that mean we shouldnt watch the footy???

And if we didnt watch the footy.... why have a team???

Fev has a responsibility to the club .... which includes us...

Are you an idolatrist??

Do you follow Fev or the club???

The same Fev that embarassed Judd.. other players.. other offficials.. Swann.. and girlfreinds...???

Who the !@#$%& is Fev to do that????

What do you mean a hypoctite????

You know..... heres a story you might not know... when the leadership group gave a week to the 3 players a month ago for boozing... Fev weilded the decisive vote....

Now thats a hypocrite of a club leader...!!!

Youd think he would know better.... and what he did was a zillion times worse... for the upteenth time...

So what do we do with club leader Fev???

Mate I follow the blokes who run out in the navy blue jumper.

Never did I say that it was ok for him to do what he did...I said that it was over the top for him to be sacked. There are alot of players who have done alot worse than he has.

Can you honestly say there is nothing you have done that you would change? You are a better person than I if you can. People have flaws.

Yeah he has stuffed up alot, but at the end of the day he is there to play football. Why is he still on the list and someone like David Teague not and a Jordon Bannister is facing the chop? Because he is a better footballer...not necessarily a better citizen.

I want Fev to stay, I will still support the club if he doesnt, but I enjoy and have enjoyed and hope to contine to enjoy watching him...would hate to see him tear us a new one for a different club....

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8214

Still the small matter of his contract of which aces Fev holds until he agrees otherwise. With that he still has the final yes or no on trades, sackings, new clauses even etc... unless the club paid him out, which would burst the cap.

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:52 pm

camelboy wrote:

Synbad wrote:

youre either on the tram into the future or youre kicking around in your adidaas romes...

They were for rich kids only. They were $40 a pair! :eek:

i got mine for 34 bux...

but im not still wearing them........

:wink:

smithy · **Joined:** Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:58 pm **Posts:** 1636

Synbad wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

It seems pretty clear to me that the club's going to sit on this for a bit, while throwing in the odd token gesture (Fev not going to the B&F, I don't for a second believe that was his call alone), wait for the hysteria to die off and then keep him on board. Followed by Fev being remorseful, admitting he has a problem and wanting help, the club making a tough stance, and you know the rest.

The club is actively looking for a trade that suits the club....

if thats not possible... fev will get another chance on the clubs terms...

the respect of fev is zilch...

board members voted unanimously they dont want him... we might be stuck with him but they dont want him....

some of those board members do alot of work behind the scenes for fev.. and some have done just as much on the field as fev..luked...

the world has changed...

youre either on the tram into the future or youre kicking around in your adidaas romes...

are you ever gonna back any of these statements up? the board voted him out did they? rubbish they did

nightcrawler · **Joined:** Sun Apr 03, 2005 11:48 am **Posts:** 2891

Donstuie wrote:

It seems pretty clear to me that the club's going to sit on this for a bit, while throwing in the odd token gesture (Fev not going to the B&F, I don't for a second believe that was his call alone), wait for the hysteria to die off and then keep him on board. Followed by Fev being remorseful, admitting he has a problem and wanting help, the club making a tough stance, and you know the rest.

Perahps. But it seems we are currently deliberately culivating an air of uncertainty. The only reason to do this would be to draw out a suiter so we don't have to go cap in hand to the trade table and have Hawthorn offer us pick 107 for him.

Mil Hanna · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:53 pm

Synbad wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

It seems pretty clear to me that the club's going to sit on this for a bit, while throwing in the odd token gesture (Fev not going to the B&F, I don't for a second believe that was his call alone), wait for the hysteria to die off and then keep him on board. Followed by Fev being remorseful, admitting he has a problem and wanting help, the club making a tough stance, and you know the rest.

The club is actively looking for a trade that suits the club....

if thats not possible... fev will get another chance on the clubs terms...

the respect of fev is zilch...

board members voted unanimously they dont want him... we might be stuck with him but they dont want him....

some of those board members do alot of work behind the scenes for fev.. and some have done just as much on the field as fev..luked...

the world has changed...

youre either on the tram into the future or youre kicking around in your adidas romes...

Or if you are short of coin - Trax Avengers!! :smile:

Just like Romes, but with one less stripe..... oh and made of vinyl.

Fev may be more in this boat now? I guess we'll see on Friday.......

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:55 pm

luked15 wrote:

Indie wrote:

luked15 wrote:

He loves playing for Carlton and he does it so damn well. Better than any of you ever will.

Are you aware you're on a supporter's site and not a former player's site? Maybe you thought you had wandered onto a forum at the Spirit of Carlton????

I reckon this is as weak a point as can possibly be made on a site like this. If it had any validity, then we'd have to be happy if we still had a team with Harford, Clarke, Prenda, Brett Johnson, Murray Vance, Ackland, Angwin and Ricky Mott. I'm sure they've all played better games for Carlton than every poster on this site too.

With some of stuff being written on here I'm doubting as to if it is actually a supporter's site...

Some people are blind. The club is bigger than the individual. And said individual is making a goose of himself and many in the club. I think we all want the same thing here - a successful Carlton side capable of winning premierships, just some believe letting go of Fevola will kill any chance of that off, while others think he is too divisive an influence at the club for us to ever achieve the ultimate with him there.

I would shop him around at trade week, see what we can get. If it came down to a good pick, and some promising youngsters, do it. If we cant find something suitable, he needs to do courses, rehab, AA, or whatever the hell he needs. He should be barred from training with the senior group once the real stuff starts and spend at least the first 6 weeks in the Bullants. Then if he does everything right (no sulking or run ins with drunken yobs who will be there to stir him up) pick him for Round 7, but at the same time Ratts should organise a completely new structure for life without Fev, and not to deviate from it. Then when Fev comes back, he is a cog in the system, not the be all and end all. Mind you his playing form from around R15 onwards, both goalscoring and defensive pressure, was probably better than its ever been.

We have a lot of talent on our list, we just need the right decisions to be made. Anyone who thinks we wouldn't make the 8 without Fev is seriously deluded. He kicked 84 goals in 2006 when we finished last, and 86 goals this year and we finish 7th. I know its not that simplistic, but between Betts, Kreuzer, Waite, Yarran, Houla, Hammer, Walks etc you could definitely devise a dangerous forward setup. Necessity is the mother of invention, and we have no other plan devised without Fev, as the scenario has never happened in Ratts tenure.

Whatever happens we are the Carlton FC, not the Fevola FC. We are not in 2005 anymore, the club has infinitely more going for it as a playing group than it did then.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:57 pm

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There have been brilliant players go out of this club in the past, but we always go on and there will be different ways to climb to the top of the mountain again.

http://www.afl.com.au/offseason/tradewi ... fault.aspx

Not a Carlton related quote, but still applicable (maybe?).

exsing · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:00 pm

luked15 wrote:

I can only assume that you guys calling for blood to be spilled have never got any joy from watching Fev play for the blues over the years. No joy from watching him win games off his own boot, kicking 6 goals in a half of football to get us over the line, taking on Essendon* and collingwood by himself basically. During the darkest period of the club, he won us a Wizard cup, 8 goals and bog in the final, was BOG for the Big V last year (hope none of you enjoyed watching him towel rutten)...again hope none of you took any pride in watching this.

You would be a pack of hypocrites if you did.

I can also assume that none of you will be paying any attention to tonights John Nicholls medal. Was it John Nicholls who had to be let out of jail on weekends so he could play football? Is Fev in jail? hmmm...

I can also hope that none of you supported the blues in the days of the Dominator, when he was carving it up...hang on, the same dominator that enjoyed himself a little too much off the field? and in recent times with mr carey?

Even Diesel, has had some ordinary business dealings since leaving football...off the field stuff again...

You are calling for Sticks to sack him, the same sticks that launched into an attack, rightly or wrongly, on journalists the other year at our function, which was ridiculed across the media afterwards...did you call for his head? did he embarrass you???

You call yourselves supporters of the Carlton Football Club...see the middle word there? Football. Thats right. These blokes are paid to play a game. To chase a leather ball around a field. But they should all be model citizens right? Why? Because of the pedestal that you clowns put them on!

I for one hope that I get to continue to see Fev kick some amazing goals for us over the next few years. I am a supporter of Carlton, has Fev's actions embarrassed me? not a chance. Everyone has a life outside their job, rightly or wrongly, they make their own decisions.

If you cant take that a guy makes some mistakes maybe you should cease to follow sport..because have a look, there wouldnt be too many that you of all such high morals and living the life of a model citizen (obviously you are because you would never make mistakes then call for fev to be sacked for his) could follow...cricket would be out, soccer out, rugby out...

Get a life and give the guy a break. He loves playing for Carlton and he does it so damn well. Better than any of you ever will.

You do realise that this sport of football that you're talking about is a TEAM sport right? I don't mean to sound harsh, but your post is a load of crap that sounds noble but does not have much substance.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:01 pm

it seems this is about the team

do the team still want Fev - have the team had enough? Did he break a bond with the team the other night?

Synbad · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:02 pm

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Mate I follow the blokes who run out in the navy blue jumper.

Never did I say that it was ok for him to do what he did...I said that it was over the top for him to be sacked. There are alot of players who have done alot worse than he has.

Can you honestly say there is nothing you have done that you would change? You are a better person than I if you can. People have flaws.

Yeah he has stuffed up alot, but at the end of the day he is there to play football. Why is he still on the list and someone like David Teague not and a Jordon Bannister is facing the chop? Because he is a better footballer...not necessarily a better citizen.

I want Fev to stay, I will still support the club if he doesnt, but I enjoy and have enjoyed and hope to contine to enjoy watching him...would hate to see him tear us a new one for a different club....

the quicker fev realises its not about him the better...

i enjoy fev too.. more than most...

ive been here many an argument sticking up for him

but fair suck of the sauce bottle...

28... coleman medalist... husband and father of 2 and one on the way... you do know his mrs is heavily preggerz dont you??...
... embarasses the club... his captain... his coach... his CEO... his teammates.. his teammates partners.. his co players.. the AFL.... all in the one night????

and some of it was nasty....

its not where we want this club to be.... is it???

is that your carlton utopia????

hey and to the banana that believes the club hasnt voted unanimously.... and i have to back it up....

ill explain the world...

if we come out and say it OFFICIALY.. noone will offer us much will they??.. cos they know were pushing him out the door...

there is only one reason Fev isnt gone.. thats his contract....!!!

700k x 2... no other reason...

How many clubs do you think can afford that?????

How many clubs can give us as much as wed like???

So we have to take the softly softly approach...

and he has been shopped around all weekend....

Bulldogs and Swana most interested....

But would want us to pay for most wouldnt they???

and not give us terribly much... eh???

So much for the AFL superstar.....

hardly the rabid clamouring that judd had for his services eh???

Or even nick stevens...

Or Warnock........... even......

eh??? :thumbsup:

MPH78 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:02 pm

No Romes or Trax for me, KT26's all the way baby.

Going to be an interesting week. As much as he's frustrated me over the years with his ill discipline, he's been a matchwinner and has bought us joy in our darkest period. Never really considered that he wouldn't play for us but I've now recognised that is a very distinct possibility. To be honest, not sure I'm overly comfortably with that from a purely football sense, but of course there is a bigger picture at play. Thus the dilemma the club faces.

The key for me is the current relationship with the other players. If he's lost them, then well it makes it a helluva lot easier to move him on. Assuming that's achievable of course.

marciblue · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:02 pm

Synbad wrote:

marciblue... fev can still play footy and drink....

he can go play in the suburban leagues..

This is big business now... its a billion dollar industry...
its too serious for a !@#$%& to piss up the clubs fortunes against the wall.

its not just about one guy anymore.... we tried that... it doesnt work....

so we got another and another and another and another... and slowly slowly those thrashings we were getting with just fev turned into some wins and less thrashings with everybody else....

but fev thinks its all about himself...

he will miss us more than we will miss him....

he can either jump on board with what were trying to achieve as a club.... (aand were still way behind what others are doing)... or he can be his own man....

but if he wants to be his own man... he should take up individual sport like golf....

,... and let the others concentrate on turning the club around.... after all fev didnt turn the club around did he???

This is all just melodrama.
Indeed it is a big business, one that exists to play football and win premierships. And Fev is a VERY valuable asset and an important piece of getting to what football clubs want to achieve.
There are other approaches to dealing with Fev that don’t include ejecting such a critical footballer to a clubs hopes. We don’t have to all follow the jungle drums Synbad and burn him at the stake. That is the easy way out

Adam Chatfield · **Posted:** Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:05 pm

dannyboy wrote:

it seems this is about the team

do the team still want Fev - have the team had enough? Did he break a bond with the team the other night?

Thats the crux of it, if he has pissed off many in the team, its what puts this at a different level than being a fireman, pissing on windows, Irish barman in a headlock etc.

Brendan Fevola's future deferred to end of the week

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